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and we have the list of our unpatriotic draft dodgers
Conscientious objector~
Originally Posted by Cute Wolf:
hmm, a big inner continental landmass isolated is ideal palace to study nuclear blast effects
P.S: ask comrade Kim if you doubt dat
Maybe my point wasn't clear. It was an attempt to highlight the potential of destruction and disaster that nuclear weapons bring, rather than state Australia isn't a good place to test because of this or that.
Cute Wolf 10:45 06-15-2011
Originally Posted by Hax:
Conscientious objector~
it still the same, conscientious objector is unpatriotic draft-dodger.
if army conscription isn't compulsory, I can understood, but come on, your country where you live provides you with most of the things, being egoistic and hiding from the duty is a cowardice.
looks like I still can't forgot that nationalism-patriotism lectures I got more than 2 years ago... the words still hanging in my memory lobe
Centurion1 14:33 06-15-2011
Originally Posted by Ibrahim:
wanted to, but parents stopped it, and I cannot qualify for military service anyhow. (health reasons: they don't want anyone with serious head trauma, Anemia, injured knees, or severely underweight, or at risk from it (my cousin had to lie about some of those-I'm not going to do that, as it is not reasonable to do so)).
Many people lie a little bit if they have minor problems they cannot find without asking. Yours are too many and too numerous to get by though. The knees would put you into a world of living hell if you got through the screens.
Only 50% of the US is fit to serve mentally or physically anyways. Under 10% of the population has ever served. 65% are from the south and that number is rising (and the total population number declining) as older generations from, draft days and demographics, die.
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I said no, but within the next 5 years I will be a Marine, if its that long it'll be officer, if shorter then I didn't get into college and I'll go enlisted.
Also yeah I just didnt answer I am by no means in the army.
gaelic cowboy 15:23 06-15-2011
Originally Posted by Cute Wolf:
it still the same, conscientious objector is unpatriotic draft-dodger.
if army conscription isn't compulsory, I can understood, but come on, your country where you live provides you with most of the things, being egoistic and hiding from the duty is a cowardice.
looks like I still can't forgot that nationalism-patriotism lectures I got more than 2 years ago... the words still hanging in my memory lobe
So you would rather have fellas in the army who don't want to be there, good luck fighting a war then so.
Cute Wolf 16:24 06-15-2011
Originally Posted by gaelic cowboy:
So you would rather have fellas in the army who don't want to be there, good luck fighting a war then so.
we all know that some fellas who don't want fighting wars will be forced to either accept the draft or "serve" in prison, they "deserve" it. Dodging draft is kinda like tax-evasion, if you demands your rights, you must do your duty.
[ There's no need for the additional comment, CW - Sec ]
Originally Posted by :
it still the same, conscientious objector is unpatriotic draft-dodger.
if army conscription isn't compulsory, I can understood, but come on, your country where you live provides you with most of the things, being egoistic and hiding from the duty is a cowardice.
I was raised with the ideals of secular humanism. As far as I'm concerned, my refusal to go out and kill another fellow human being is the greatest service for my country, for it was built on the ideals of the Enlightenment.
Thank you.
Originally Posted by Centurion1:
Many people lie a little bit if they have minor problems they cannot find without asking. Yours are too many and too numerous to get by though. The knees would put you into a world of living hell if you got through the screens.
Only 50% of the US is fit to serve mentally or physically anyways. Under 10% of the population has ever served. 65% are from the south and that number is rising (and the total population number declining) as older generations from, draft days and demographics, die.
yeah, I know there is no way to go through with the army by Lying; pity though, at least I'd have the GI bill for university (that was the idea behind me wanting to join). risky idea though in retrospect anyhow, since I could get killed or suffer psychological ailments (too late for the last part, but you get the idea).
my knees are a ***** though-which is making field camp ever more miserable. doesn't help I don't get along with most of the other students (they're a bunch of p******s, and we'll leave it at that).
but darn, only 50% of the population? that's one unhealthy country. if the average age is around 35 yrs, this would imply that even a considerable portion of men of fighting age (17-45) are simply unfit. At least in my case it's not from lack of exercise. I'm also not comfortable with "mentally" able to serve. are Americans this dense? or do I misunderstand?
Samurai Waki 07:31 06-16-2011
Nope, never served-- my family has a bad luck when it comes to War; Grandfather was in the Baton Death March, died in the Philippines; Great Uncle (Grandfather's brother) killed at Inchon... I didn't even want to join the Old Navy for fear of getting captured by some disgruntled customer.
Cute Wolf 08:18 06-16-2011
Originally Posted by Hax:
I was raised with the ideals of secular humanism. As far as I'm concerned, my refusal to go out and kill another fellow human being is the greatest service for my country, for it was built on the ideals of the Enlightenment.
Thank you.
actually, its' only go out with possibility to kill other fellow human being. Most will only get security's work and helping building something (menial tasks)
Centurion1 16:41 06-16-2011
Originally Posted by Ibrahim:
yeah, I know there is no way to go through with the army by Lying; pity though, at least I'd have the GI bill for university (that was the idea behind me wanting to join). risky idea though in retrospect anyhow, since I could get killed or suffer psychological ailments (too late for the last part, but you get the idea).
my knees are a ***** though-which is making field camp ever more miserable. doesn't help I don't get along with most of the other students (they're a bunch of p******s, and we'll leave it at that).
but darn, only 50% of the population? that's one unhealthy country. if the average age is around 35 yrs, this would imply that even a considerable portion of men of fighting age (17-45) are simply unfit. At least in my case it's not from lack of exercise. I'm also not comfortable with "mentally" able to serve. are Americans this dense? or do I misunderstand?
Your not fit to serve if you have wet the bed after the age of like 13. You can get dq'ed for seemingly menial things.
Originally Posted by Centurion1:
Your not fit to serve if you have wet the bed after the age of like 13. You can get dq'ed for seemingly menial things.
You can always get around most things though, mental problems can be hard. They tried to tell me I can't join because of flat feet, but I got around that. All you need is a letter that looks medical explaining how you are ok.
Originally Posted by Cute Wolf:
actually, its' only go out with possibility to kill other fellow human being. Most will only get security's work and helping building something (menial tasks)
Don't make it sound *too* good now...
Originally Posted by Centurion1:
Your not fit to serve if you have wet the bed after the age of like 13. You can get dq'ed for seemingly menial things.
ok.......the military needs to get its priorities straight..
I once dreamed of joining the military when I was real young. I read up about military history, I had my whole life planned out. I was going to go to West Point and be a general and be a big hero and blah blah blah. Then I became more aware of politics and reality in general and became disillusioned with it all. Now I have grown out of that phase and realize that some wars are just and others are not and if there is a just war and I was called upon, I would probably join up.
Not to get political here, but current American wars are imperialistic in nature, and not just. So for now, I have no intention of ever signing up and if the draft was implemented again, I would evade it.
3 years in The Royal Norwegian Navy. Discharged as Ensign.
Skullheadhq 10:35 06-17-2011
I got a letter notifying me I'll soon reach the draft age, however, we have no active draft anymore, so I won't have to do anything.
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