Midgardsaga III [Concluded]

[Believer]

Unvote; B_Ray

Vote: Mr. Stuka

[Renata]

Likewise.

unvote, vote: Mr Stuka

One more if available would be safer for CH.

[Tratorix]

Unvote, Vote: Mr Stuka

Lets hope someone doesn't muck this up.

[Nightbringer]

I am going to have to vote: Tratorix

I haven't seen a good case on him but the role pm he posted appears forged to me, plus there is a group of people who have all too willingly decided to swing the vote away from him.
I say it looks forged because the format is completely different from what I have observed so far. Although I do not know if Sigurd generally has a strict format as far as role pm's are concerned.
The role pm also fits in almost too conveniently with what some people guessed about tratorix.

Finally, even if he is town, he is not important town and this should give us some idea of what to look for in future reveals.
(plus, why reveal "just for posterity," it only gives the mafia more information with which to forge pro town role pms)

Also, he is trying to force a full reveal on a possible powerful pro town role, which would be valuable information for the actual mafia in case CH is just making his power up to be bait for someone else.

In any case, he is not an important

[Tratorix]

Unvote, Vote: Mr Stuka

Lets hope someone doesn't muck this up.

Nightbringer, what did I just say?

[Renata]

Work this out to avoid a tie; lynching no one doesn't help the town despite that that sounds backwards.

[Nightbringer]

I would prefer to think I am wiping away the muck of mafia :)

and furthermore, what is there on stuka except a sudden "we can't lynch a power role (CH), so lynch anyone else... except tratorix"

[Nightbringer]

Work this out to avoid a tie; lynching no one doesn't help the town despite that that sounds backwards.

you're right, can someone please do a count.

[Tratorix]

I would prefer to think I am wiping away the muck of mafia :)

and furthermore, what is there on stuka except a sudden "we can't lynch a power role (CH), so lynch anyone else... except tratorix"

The only argument against me was "He's not classical hero", so its pretty much a shot in the dark either way. Vote how you feel you have to, my votes locked in and I'm going out.

[Renata]

That tratorix, other than that bad vote, hadn't done anything scummy, and there were probably better candidates.

[Renata]

I can't do it, Nightbringer, can you? I think I have a couple minutes, but too many distractions to count. The most recent count is only a few posts back.

[Renata]

And what's wrong with the role PM specifically? I don't even have time to look at it.

[woad&fangs]

Mr. Stuka 6 (Atpg, TC, Renata, Believer, Tratorix, Woad)
Tratorix 5 (, Chaotix, Kagemusha, Warman, DIY, Nightbringer )
classical_hero 4 (autolycus,, Diamondeye, Khaan, B_Ray)
Renata 1 (Reenk)
Khazaar 1 (GH)
GH 1 (Khazaar)
Tincow 1 (classical_hero)
B_Ray 1 (romanic,)

[TinCow]

Meh, don't stress about it. Tratorix or Stuka both seem like acceptable lynches under the circumstances, though I remain partial to Stuka.

[Nightbringer]

And what's wrong with the role PM specifically? I don't even have time to look at it.

I would rather not get too specific as it will give mafia info on how to forge them, but capitalization of role type is inconsistent, and the body of the role is very inconsistent. No introduction to the game, no detailing of what actions he takes, no statement of what his goal is, just a vague. "You are a War Veteran and in the service of the king of Rogaland. You are basically a townie with high Holmgang stats"

Also, the information about Holmgang is phrased inconsistently and there is a piece of information about Holmgang missing.

All of this COULD be due to Sigurd simply making roles at different times and not using one specific format, but I want to know if that is the case, and Tratorix is no worse of a random vote than Stuka.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Classical Hero bears watching. Sigurd's built a hosting career off of making something seem obvious and then going completely the other way with it.

-edit- Nightbringer, though I have no way of backing this up, I think Sigurd's purposely done stuff like that in the past to throw us off.

[woad&fangs]

I believe the day phase is now over so I am going to challenge: glyphz

He has only one post so far.

[Nightbringer]

Classical Hero bears watching. Sigurd's built a hosting career off of making something seem obvious and then going completely the other way with it.

-edit- Nightbringer, though I have no way of backing this up, I think Sigurd's purposely done stuff like that in the past to throw us off.

If that is the case, I am hurt that sigurd wished tratorix good luck and did not do the same for me.

[TheLastDays]

I am sorry I missed the deadline... I had a busy evening ( being on CET) and couldn't get online... I hope the above count is correct as I wouldn't like to see a tie.

[Nightbringer]

Also, tratorix may have simply copied this role from a previous Midgard game.

" Originally Posted by Sigurd
Human

Sigmund “the axe” Germundsson


You are a War Veteran and in the service of the Jarl of Hordaland. You are basically a townie with high Holmgang stats


Holmgang ability : 3 (WarVeteran) = 3"

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...an#post1424742

[GeneralHankerchief]

Also, Pizza, this:

Khaan's always a bit of a slithery slippery scummy character, and I've been lusting for his blood for a good long time now, resisting my ever-present urges.

...is a horrible, horrible reason for voting anyone. I don't think I've seen you use reasoning this bad, ever.

[TinCow]

Also, tratorix may have simply copied this role from a previous Midgard game.

Ok, THAT is interesting. It does not seem like Sigurd to recycle role PMs word-for-word.

[Diamondeye]

unvote; vote: Tratorix for the clearly faked (or at least, very heavily edited) role PM.

If that's too late, I'll go with Challenge: Tratorix instead.

[Nightbringer]

ahh! no, we don't want a tie!

I think the limit is up though so it doesn't matter.

[classical_hero]

I did not reveal anything to him. He sent me a typical early-game blackmail/feeler style PM. I responded with the traditional retort, beginning the long process of figuring out whether he was someone I could talk to. He never responded, and instead voted for me. Quite rude, and it begs the question why he bothered with the PM to me at all if he was so content to publicly name me.

I had to to vote for someone at the time and not waste my vote. I went to be straight away after I posted so I could not have known your response. For that I do apologise, but things have been set in motion. unvote:Tincow vote:traitorix.

@ATPG. Subtlety is for those who are trying to beguile you. So considering who I am it would be wise to contact me about your character and basically any character not telling me are not helpful for the town and we can do things about that.

[Sigurd]

That is strange...

I posted about one and a half hour before the deadline explaining that I had to be somewhere when the deadline was due.
Anyway, voting closed at 22:00 GMT.
Iit is now 1 and a half hour past the deadline and I can't see any new posts past ATPG's at 20:25 GMT

edit: Woah... even stranger, now my old post is present and a whole new page with posts.
I will tally the votes...

[Tratorix]

Well, this is interesting. I knew my role pm probably wouldn't help my case, but I didn't think it would actually hurt it.

Goodbye cruel world, I'm coming Elizabeth, etc.

[Mr. Stuka]

Eh, why the bandwagon on me? I'm sorry I was gone, and that i didn't vote this round, but I was gone, doing you know- real-life stuff? I'm sorry, but I'm definitely not trying to fade into the background. No but seriously, why the bandwagon?

[Sigurd]

Day 2

The voting this day was long and there were many candidates shifting taking the lead.
It took the retinues every minute of the allotted time to finally agree on a candidate.
The Hovgod was slumbering when the tally was given him. He took a quick glance at it:

Tally:

Mr. Stuka : 6 (ATPG, Believer, Renata, TinCow, Tratorix, w&f)

Tratorix : 5 (Chaotix, DiY, ELITE, Kage, Nightbringer)
classical_hero : 4 (autolycus, B_Ray, Diamondeye, ‘khaan)
B_Ray : 1 (Romanic )
GeneralHankerchief : 1 (Khazaar)
Khazaar : 1 (GH)
Renata : 1 (Reenk)
TinCow : 1 (classical)

Not voting : 7 (Andres, glyphz, Mr. Stuka, Robbie, Thefluff, TheLastDays, WE:D)

So you barely managed to get a candidate in lead this time as well. And I see there are several not lodging a vote. This is barely acceptable considering we are dealing with someone’s life here.
He looked over the retinues. Could the man named Thorvald Toresson be brought forth?
The men from Nordmøre gasped as they heard the name being called out.
A well toned warrior stepped out of the Nordmøre retinue and walked with sure steps toward the Hovgod who stood smirking in the circle of men.
They have chosen you as the payment to justice for the murder last night. Blood for blood. Do you have anything you wish to say?
The warrior looked with ice cold eyes over the eager crowds. I am worried about my King. Who will protect him now?
I am sure some arrangements can be made. The Hovgod looked into the ice cold eyes, searching. I see a man who will serve Odinn and as such, I wish you adieu. The Hovgod brought his knife which he had hidden in his sleeve in a fluid but powerful stab, which pierced the warrior’s heart. Blood started flowing out of the wound and Thorvald buckled.
Soon life disappeared from those icy eyes.

The Hovgod twirled and stated: Well, should we continue where we left off yesterday?

Challenges can be given from this point. If you have already challenged after the deadline, I will count those as valid.
PMs from those who can – deadline 22:00 GMT Saturday the 16^th of July


Alive:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Andres
Askthepizzaguy
autolycus
B_Ray
Believer
Chaotix
classical_hero
Death is Yonder
Diamondeye
ELITEOFKINGWARMAN88
GeneralHankerchief
glyphz
issaikhaan
Kagemusha
Khazaar
Nightbringer
Reenk Roink
Renata
robbiecon
Romanic
Thefluffyone93
TheLastDays
TinCow
Tratorix
White_eyes:D
woad&fangs

Killed:

Seamus Fermanagh (N1)
Earthling (N1)
Csargo (N1)
Seon (N1)
Ironside (N2)
Captain Blackadder (N2)

Lynched:

Visorslash (D1)
Mr. Stuka (D2)

Holmgang:

Major Robert Dump (H1)

[Chaotix]

Oh, if you guys actually lynched Tratorix I would kill all of you. I voted for him, but I didn't want him to die!

Why is it that I can only start bandwagons when I don't want to?

Also, according to Tratorix's role PM, we are an even match. I am guessing that even though Veterans have "higher than average" Holmgang scores, we are still pretty much the lowest or second-lowest level of townie.

Challenge: Tratorix

Let's see what you've got. If you're really a Vet, it'll show.