Midgardsaga III [Concluded]

[Reenk Roink]

Thanks for the info, I knew there had been some issue with Loki in the first game, but in game two he was just a straight pro-town role. It looks like Loki has never been scum in he previous incarnations of this series, despite his canon reputation for mischief.

In Game 1, Loki was allowed to choose which side he wanted to be on, Town or Jotun (I choose Jotun).

I'm not sure that this choice existed in Game 2, I know glyphz played it protown. Whether that was a choice or a given role, you know better than me.

I think Sigurd is drawing more on Midgard 2 this "classic" style game, and I believe that mainly because the holmgang scores are game 2 style rather than game 1 where humans had a chance to defeat gods. But then again, the Heimdall looking for Loki hails from game 1, did this also exist in game 2?

[TheLastDays]

He could very well have made a "mix" of the two games for this anniversary. I think we're going down the wrong route by trying to figure out things by comparing them to the first two games in the series. There is no guarantee that it's not completely different this time around.

Another thing: I'm not an expert on norse mythology but aren't the Jotun supposed to be ice giants? What's with all the fire in N0 and N1 killings?

[TinCow]

In Game 1, Loki was allowed to choose which side he wanted to be on, Town or Jotun (I choose Jotun).

I'm not sure that this choice existed in Game 2, I know glyphz played it protown. Whether that was a choice or a given role, you know better than me.

I think Sigurd is drawing more on Midgard 2 this "classic" style game, and I believe that mainly because the holmgang scores are game 2 style rather than game 1 where humans had a chance to defeat gods. But then again, the Heimdall looking for Loki hails from game 1, did this also exist in game 2?

I have no idea if Loki had a choice in game 2. glyphz claimed he was pure pro-town, but that was in-game and I don't remember if there was any post-game confirmation of that claim.

Heimdall was not in game 2. There, the gods were Odin, Thor, and Loki. However, there was a Christian faction which I think was at odds with the Gods as well in some manner (while still being pro-town). That may have served the same 'town in-fighting' purposes that the Loki/Heimdall thing did in game 1.

[B-Wing]

Another thing: I'm not an expert on norse mythology but aren't the Jotun supposed to be ice giants? What's with all the fire in N0 and N1 killings?

I don't know if all Jotun necessarily correspond to any particular element, but there are at least two different kinds of elemental Jotun: Frost Giants (who reside in Niflheim) and Fire Giants (who reside in Muspelheim).

And I didn't even see the Holmgang, was it edited into a former post?

There's a separate thread for the holmgang write-ups now.

Didn't you strongly hint you needed to stay alive?

And weren't there others who did the same sort of thing? This is a phenomenon with this whole game. Glass houses, B_Ray.

I didn't actually reveal my role, though, which seemed a bit extreme. It's one thing to say "I'm important and should stay alive" and another to say "I'm an Aesir and here's my character info".

Anyone have a tally?

[Death is yonder]

Voting for Khazaar based on his lurking translating into possibly being someone who killed Seamus is just odd reasoning, and the discourse between GH and pizza isn't sufficient to form a decent conclusion yet IMO, so lets see what barking up this tree yields.

Vote: Khaan

[TheLastDays]

There ya go:

issaikhaan: 4 (B_Ray, Renata, Diamondeye, Death is yonder)

khazaar: 2 (WhiteEyes, GeneralHankerchief)
GeneralHankerchief: 2 (TheLastDays, Askthepizzaguy)

Askthepizzaguy: 1 (Chaotix)
n0rg3 Roink: 1 (Believer)
Woads&Fangs: 1 (autolycus)
Chaotix: 1 (Thefluffyone93)
Andres: 1 (Nightbringer)

Abstain: 2 (n0rg3 Roink, Andres)

[TinCow]

I've got to go run some errands. Should be back later to change my vote, but just in case...

Vote: ATPG

Something about his exchange with GH seemed off to me. It had a whiff of intentional exaggeration about it.

[Chaotix]

Hrm...

Keeping my vote atm to preserve this tie.

I think Reenk is Loki.

[TheLastDays]

Which tie are you talking about? khaan is in the lead with 4 votes

[Earthling]

I'd like to say the kills are in order, and the names on the dead list are in order, but that's a dangerous assumption to make without knowing for sure.

This seems very obvious and likely from basic reading and it's in the writeups, so yes, it should be true.

The lead from the last night is being a bit overlooked, I'd also agree on that. Holmgang was a big deal and all the possible cases and knowledge about yesterday and classical's death, I get that that's important, just don't forget to follow up on this too. Naked-serial-killerish guy failed to kill someone, which could easily be a god or scum as why he would fail to kill a townie is unknown, and we don't know who he is nor who he attacked.

[TheLastDays]

What if it's some kind of a random-ability role? A guy who can do good but might also kill someone?

The last Holmgang needs looking into. We had a challenge by W&F on glyphz. Somehow Kage replaced glyphz and died against an enemy who has a Holmgang score of at least 10, while Kage himself obviously had a 5.
In the writeup though it looks like W&F was like a bystander that stepped in and then killed Kage. So the writeup itself didn't point at any replacement done between glyphz and Kage.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Tally is off, Reenk voted for Khazaar.

khaan is also on vacation for the week and his activity will be limited.

[TheLastDays]

Right.


issaikhaan: 4 (B_Ray, Renata, Diamondeye, Death is yonder)

khazaar: 3 (WhiteEyes, GeneralHankerchief, n0rg3 Roink)

GeneralHankerchief: 2 (TheLastDays, Askthepizzaguy)
Askthepizzaguy: 2 (Chaotix, TinCow)

n0rg3 Roink: 1 (Believer)
Woads&Fangs: 1 (autolycus)
Chaotix: 1 (Thefluffyone93)
Andres: 1 (Nightbringer)

Abstain: 1 (Andres)

[Believer]

There's no question that Heimdall is a good guy and valuable for the town with his investigations. Someone said Loki was "evil" before and I take issue with that because if you examine the other Norse gods behavior, they are all pretty bad guys from out moral standards, but Heimdall is the best of them.

Point of order, your honor!
Isn't Loki destined to lead the forces of evil against the Gods on Ragnarök? If not I apologize.

[Tratorix]

Tally is off, Reenk voted for Khazaar.

khaan is also on vacation for the week and his activity will be limited.

Khaan's activity is pretty much always limited.

I don't particularly care for any of these cases. I haven't played a game here in a while, but GH has always been staunchly anit-network, and since that very strategy blew up in the towns face in midgard 2, it's applicable here. Khaan and Khazaar lurking isn't really news either and I think it's a bit too early to start the "lynch the lurkers" campaign. So, I'm gonna Vote: ATPG. The fact that he's going after GH so strongly on this kinda bugs me.

[TinCow]

Naked-serial-killerish guy failed to kill someone, which could easily be a god or scum as why he would fail to kill a townie is unknown, and we don't know who he is nor who he attacked.

My impression was that the target (Arnvid Torarinsson) was protected. I believe this based on this bit "felt especially rejuvenated but tired all the same." Note that the Arnvid appears to survive due to having a lot of energy. IIRC, the protection in Midgard 2 involved giving a player an amulet for the night. The amulet was kind of a 'buff' which temporarily increased their Holmgang score and made them immune to being killed for the night. It worked the opposite way on the Jotun, decreasing their Holmgang score and preventing them from making any attacks.

[Kagemusha]

No better thing then death in battle. W&F if you are what you say you are, you better re adjust your tactics, before you make worse mistakes. About my death. Im not quite sure what even the rules concerning dead players are, but with all these very strange theories, maybe people are neglecting the obvious explanation for my death. I think that so far we the town have started this game awfully and the current trend of lynching ATPG is just continuoty of that bad trend.

Also maybe with all this fire.We are not facing Jotun this time but demons fromMuspellheim the fireworld? Maybe its Surtur and his cronies we are facing this time?

[glyphz]

What's d deal w pro town roles risking exposure w random holmgang . That just caused their demise, as wel as cost me my buddy.
vote: abstain
anyway, Im at wits end just typin this on a coworkers' phone. Don't plan on rereadimg d thread & voting on some1 til I get home. Besides,my coworker now has this impatient look, demanding her phone back.
Oh and mr. Roink... Don't drop the ball now.

[Khazaar]

Voting for me is OK, voting for me because I´m lurking is odd at the least. There are a few people who haven´t voted at all, if I would start to clean up the lurkers I would start with them because Sigurd clearly stated that Mafia will not be WOGged unlike Townies. Theres bound to be a Mafiosi under those sick/busyrl/other people. Also to presume that I would off Seamus because I don´t know that he hasn´t played in a while is really far out there as an explanation.

Vote: General Hankerchief

[Sigurd]

I guess we are well into overtime. I say we close this day.

[Romanic]

I say, vote: Khazaar

I'm late sorry.

[thefluffyone93]

I don't think so. That's out of character for you, Nightbringer.

Now you're just stealing memes to copy others. Did I hit too close to home?

Stealing is very rude......

[Sigurd]

Day 3

The tally was finally produced and the Hovgod took a look at it:

Tally:

issaikhaan : 4 (B_Ray, DiY, Diamond, Renata)

Askthepizzaguy : 3 (Chaotix, TinCow, Tratorix)
GeneralHankerchief : 3 (ATPG, Khazaar, TheLastDays)
Khazaar : 3 (GH, Reenk, WE:D)
Andres : 1 (Nightbringer)
Chaotix : 1 (Thefluff)
Reenk Roink : 1 (Beliver)
woad&fangs : 1 (autolycus)


Abstain: 2 (Andres, glyphz)
Not voting : 5 (ELITE, ‘khaan, Robbie, Romanic(late), w&f)


Interesting, it seems you are fond of choosing a particular brand of trade in your blames.
Could Gunnvald Jardarsson please step forward? A gasp could be heard from the retinue from Fjordane. A hulking man strode from their midst, steel cold eyes and a sure step. This was a renowned fighter who had served in Constantinople as a guard. Blood for blood I am afraid; The Hovgod walked slowly around Gunnvald. Any last words? Gunnvald looked at the Hovgod with steel blue eyes and then to the retinue of Fjordane. Take care of him for me will ya? The Retinue from Fjordane all accepted with a clap to their right shoulder and a vocal; Aye.
Gunnvald turned to the Hovgod, voice going rather raspy ice cold. Do your deed and give my salutations to “sorgvarsler”. The Hovgod snapped to, looking inquiringly into the ice cold eyes of Gunnvald before letting a little smirk appear. Maybe you are lucky and will find yourself at the table of our Allfather, you could bring your own salutations. And by that the Hovgod produced a sharp knife in his right hand and with a fluid motion cut deep into Gunnvald’s throat.
Gunnvald couldn’t utter another word and grabbed his throat trying to staunch the life flowing out between his fingers. Soon he lost conscience and thumped to the ground.

Was this the man responsible for the murders? The Hovgod looked out over the crowd; I think you chose badly this day. Now to business...

Challenges and PMs people
Deadline: 16:00 (4pm) US Central, 23:00 CEST, 05:00 Western Standard (AUS)

Alive:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Andres
Askthepizzaguy
autolycus
B_Ray
Believer
Chaotix
Death is Yonder
Diamondeye
ELITEOFKINGWARMAN88
GeneralHankerchief
glyphz
Khazaar
Nightbringer
Reenk Roink
Renata
robbiecon
Romanic
Thefluffyone93
TheLastDays
TinCow
Tratorix
White_eyes:D
woad&fangs

Killed:

Seamus Fermanagh (N1)
Earthling (N1)
Csargo (N1)
Seon (N1)
Ironside (N2)
Captain Blackadder (N2)
classical_hero (N3)

Lynched:

Visorslash (D1)
Mr. Stuka (D2)
issaikhaan (D3)

Holmgang:

Major Robert Dump (H1)
Kagemusha (H2)

[Reenk Roink]

Good god...

[Chaotix]

Looks like we lynched another champion. Brilliant.

Challenge: Renata

[TheLastDays]

Very well done...

I'd like to see if your role PM was true

Challenge: Tratorix

[White_eyes:D]

Challenge:Diamondeye I hold both Renata and Dimondeye responsible for this.

[Renata]

*sigh*

[Tratorix]

Really?

[Renata]

Really what, Tratorix. Don't hold back, tell me whwat you really think.