Midgardsaga III [Concluded]

[thefluffyone93]

HAH!

I consider this a personal victory for me.
The Jotun did a great job, but WHY OH WHY DID YOU HAVE TO JOIN THEM ANDRES?

Or were you already aligned with them from the start?

Edit: Read the quicktopic.
If we know who Loki, the TRICKSTER GOD.....we should kill him....

[TinCow]

The first half of the game was really just bad luck for the town. Having both classical_hero and woad&fangs revealed via Holmgang was simply atrocious luck. Sure, maybe challenges should have been done more carefully, but the fact remains that not only did they have to be unlucky enough to get chosen, they also had to be unlucky enough during the battle to show 8+ dice. That really couldn't have been anticipated.

In addition, we got stupidly lucky with Andres' kills. If you weren't aware, Andres could not pick who his targets attacked. He just drugged two people, and Sigurd used random.org to determine their targets. Yet Andres personally managed to kill 3 Kings, and also forced two more to show up in the write-ups, where we identified them by their Frankish blades. We actually already knew autolycus was a King before Reenk said anything about him, and he was scheduled to be killed anyway.

Really, we just sat back and exploited the town's very bad luck for the first 2/3 of the game. It was only after DE got lynched and glyphz started attracting daily attention that things got hard for us.

[thefluffyone93]

I'm going for fluffy.

Killing a fluffy creature sounds evil.

Indeed.
You big blue meanie!

[Renata]

And by that time we were mostly too demoralized and suspicious of each other to notice.

Why don't you have this kind of luck when you're mafia with me, Tincow? Something's not fair about this.

[thefluffyone93]

*sniff*
................
I would've preferred not to be lynched.....
Getting killed by Jotuns would have been funnier.....

[TinCow]

And by that time we were mostly too demoralized and suspicious of each other to notice.

Exactly. To be fair, the B_Ray hit was due to his own error in revealing to me. Prior to his reveal, I thought he was a King and he would only have gotten a single Jotun hit which would have failed. However, his death also coincided with Andres killing you and Believer. We were not in touch with Andres at that time, and both of you died due to random.org, not specific target selection. That was more horrendous luck and, combined with B_Ray's death, it convinced you there was a mole. Honestly, though, I don't know how you couldn't have thought that. You did not know Andres' kills were random, so a mole was the proper conclusion to reach. The fact that it was wrong doesn't make the conclusion any less proper. If I were in the same position as you tomorrow, I would have concluded it was a mole as well.

Why don't you have this kind of luck when you're mafia with me, Tincow? Something's not fair about this.

I consider this game karmic payback for CoV.

[classical_hero]

My bird was right about you, since he said that you left the woods at night.

[Renata]

I suppose The Revengening was mine. Would sure be nice to win a large one as outright mafia one day, though.

I know there was a reason I dismissed B_ray's claimed reveal to you (I knew about it, after the fact) as insignificant compared to those to TLD and ATPG, but I can't remember what it was. Obviously it was incorrect.

Edit: oh, I remember. B_ray was supposed to be able to block Jotun kills if he used his amulet on one, and he had "protected" you earlier in the game. Obviously you weren't killing until after Diamondeye died. Just more atrocious luck there (1 of 3 chance to get the "wrong" Jotun, if any at all), or was that a deliberate attempt to remove yourself from the threat of roleblock?

[TinCow]

My bird was right about you, since he said that you left the woods at night.

I have always found activity investigations extremely easy to get around, simply because you only need to fake an ability of some kind and it doesn't matter what kind. There are many different pro-town powers that can be fake-claimed simply because it cannot be proven that they were not used. Any such claim will inherently give the claimant several lynch-free days if done right, so it actually works in the mafia's favor. All they have to do is get investigated early, make a successful claim, then sit back and enjoy the ensuing peace and quiet for the next several rounds. IMHO, the best detection method is still player behavior. Look at DE. ATPG nailed him very early on based exclusively on his in-thread posts, though it took a couple more rounds before the town finally lynched him.

[glyphz]

Edit: oh, I remember. B_ray was supposed to be able to block Jotun kills if he used his amulet on one, and he had "protected" you earlier in the game. Obviously you weren't killing until after Diamondeye died. Just more atrocious luck there (1 of 3 chance to get the "wrong" Jotun, if any at all), or was that a deliberate attempt to remove yourself from the threat of roleblock?

Pretty much. We were sure that w/ classical_hero's reveal, that TinCow would be targeted that night so, me and Diamondeye did the dirty work. B_Ray then revealed to TinCow , confirming an Aesir and put him right on top of the list. We still went w/ woad&fangs first as his role as detective was a bigger threat to us

[TinCow]

Edit: oh, I remember. B_ray was supposed to be able to block Jotun kills if he used his amulet on one, and he had "protected" you earlier in the game. Obviously you weren't killing until after Diamondeye died. Just more atrocious luck there (1 of 3 chance to get the "wrong" Jotun, if any at all), or was that a deliberate attempt to remove yourself from the threat of roleblock?

No, that was strategy. DE was the inactive one for N1 and N2. I went inactive on N3, thinking I might get investigated... which I did. I resumed killing N4 onwards.

[White_eyes:D]

I would like to point out that none of us were in the town network. It was 100% secure and worked perfectly.

The night kills were too dead-on. I knew you were Jotun because of that. Reenk, ATPG, GH and Sasaki all implode in the end game most of the time. But the few times your Mafia, your night-actions are all too accurate...almost like you were in the network itself.

Of course it didn't help with people revealing Kings like Reenk....I still have no idea what he was thinking...I had a blast but I am never doing that again.

Good job to the Jotun team

I knew Andres was bulling about being on town's side, when I was PMing Reenk.

Are you really talking to Andres?

I don't know who to duel....I was thinking Diamondeye

He sent me a PM saying he investigated me and joined town (not sure if this is true but if it is then I don't think he's allowed to change his choice).

Not sure if he is telling the truth there...I recall how he kept trying to kill me in "That Creeping Darkness". The whole time I was saying I was neutral, he kept trying to kill me endlessly....while saying he was my friend and trying to protect me. Last attempt would have killed me though...Andres is real good at his mafia/neutral role...he could have sided with the Jotun. (They are doing very well with 2 gods and a king dead with a couple of champion on that list.)

Edit:I now see that I was gunning for D_E and TinCow for most of the game. Only glphz really slipped by....I failed town here.

[B-Wing]

Well played TinCow, glyphz, and DiamondEye!

This was the first mafia game in which I had a power role, and I handled it like a true amateur. Sorry fellow townies.

TinCow, you handled my fatal reveal perfectly by not being too inquisitive. You made one simple reply with no questions, and I let it go as a harmless mistake on my part (up until my death, anyway). I was definitely more suspicious of ATPG and TLD, given their network connection and communication with Renata.

I never seriously suspected glyphz. I was convinced that he was a king, though I can't even remember why now.

I was shocked when woad&fangs died on Night 4 because I was protecting him that night. Sigurd clarified his death by explaining that Aesir were not subject to protection, which I wasn't aware of.

I'm still trying to figure out the most effective use of Holmgang challenges.

[Renata]

No, that was strategy. DE was the inactive one for N1 and N2. I went inactive on N3, thinking I might get investigated... which I did. I resumed killing N4 onwards.

No, I don't think so, at least not then. Classical and woad were the investigators, and by N3 one was busy getting killed and the other was investigating b_ray. (Unless I've misunderstood the timing of what CH did?) What you actually got was protected! Though it would have been a roleblock on you. Good play.

[glyphz]

Edit:I now see that I was gunning for D_E and TinCow for most of the game. Only glphz really slipped by....I failed town here.

Ya really like to misspell my name, dontcha

[White_eyes:D]

Ya really like to misspell my name, dontcha

I can't even be suspicious of you...let alone get your name right.

gphlz, glphzy, glypzh, whatever works.

[TinCow]

No, I don't think so, at least not then. Classical and woad were the investigators, and by N3 one was busy getting killed and the other was investigating b_ray. (Unless I've misunderstood the timing of what CH did?) What you actually got was protected! Though it would have been a roleblock on you. Good play.

Oh, right... I got them confused. I was active when CH investigated me, but inactive when B_Ray blocked me.

[glyphz]

I can't even be suspicious of you...let alone get your name right.

gphlz, glphzy, glypzh, whatever works.

It must be my royal aura or the bling

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

[Earthling]

So Loki killed me by complete random chance. That's actually really fitting.

Congratulations to the Jotun, that was especially well done, particularly TinCow who was active and not lurking and made excellent use of a cover role.

[TinCow]

TinCow, you handled my fatal reveal perfectly by not being too inquisitive. You made one simple reply with no questions, and I let it go as a harmless mistake on my part (up until my death, anyway). I was definitely more suspicious of ATPG and TLD, given their network connection and communication with Renata.

It was a gamble killing you so quickly, and I thought it was likely to blow back on me. However, at the time all three of us were alive and it seemed like an acceptable risk to kill the last Aesir. You can take solace in the fact that your post-death blocks on glyphz at the end made us panic for a while.

[TinCow]

Oh, and a huge thanks to Sigurd for hosting this. I may be biased, but I had a great time.

[glyphz]

TinCow, you handled my fatal reveal perfectly by not being too inquisitive. You made one simple reply with no questions, and I let it go as a harmless mistake on my part (up until my death, anyway). I was definitely more suspicious of ATPG and TLD, given their network connection and communication with Renata.

It was a gamble killing you so quickly, and I thought it was likely to blow back on me. However, at the time all three of us were alive and it seemed like an acceptable risk to kill the last Aesir. You can take solace in the fact that your post-death blocks on glyphz at the end made us panic for a while.

We were wondering though why you didn't tell town though of your post-death actions. If you had, that could turn out to be extra evidence against me.

[B-Wing]

You can take solace in the fact that your post-death blocks on glyphz at the end made us panic for a while.

LOL, I didn't even realize I could block after death; I thought I could only protect. I was actually trying to protect glyphz from the evil Jotunn. At least that accomplished something.

[Renata]

Bad b_ray. I TOLD you to ask Sigurd about that, but no, you were sure ... ;)

[TinCow]

LOL, I didn't even realize I could block after death; I thought I could only protect. I was actually trying to protect glyphz from the evil Jotunn. At least that accomplished something.

That was why we ended up with that odd day phase where only W_E died from Jotun, but glyph, ATPG, myself, and Romanic (everyone considered a target) were all left alive. No one could figure out why... but the reason was that glyphz had tried to kill Romanic, but you had blocked him.

[glyphz]

That was why we ended up with that odd day phase where only W_E died from Jotun, but glyph, ATPG, myself, and Romanic (everyone considered a target) were all left alive. No one could figure out why... but the reason was that glyphz had tried to kill Romanic, but you had blocked him.

w/c turned into a blessing in disguise. If the night turned up w/ Romanic (last king) & White_eyes:D dead, and me (also a king) untouched, no doubt town would be all over me. Instead, w/ one kill (WE:D), and both Romanic & me remained alive, town got confused, and allowed me to escape the lynch, into the next night where we were assured of victory.

[Chaotix]

Gah. Good game guys.

I pretty much had everything figured out by last round, but by then it was too late.

And before that, I was completely roped in believing TinCow was innocent and Andres working in our favor. Really, I suppose the write-ups where the Jotun kept showing up as a beautiful woman should have tipped me off.

[Diamondeye]

Good game you guys, and thanks to Sigurd for hosting!

I'm just sad I couldn't be online the day I was lynched (my excuses were actually truthful!), because I was enjoying the game so much!

I came up with the writeup when we killed Thor, it was awesome!

[Captain Blackadder]

See I told you all in the first round that glyphz was scum.

[TheLastDays]

Oh well... still an epic fail as town but a great game, I at least had lots of fun! So thanks, Sigurd!

Also I want to point out that I never bought the ruse that Loki was pro town and I called for glyphz over Romanic whenever they were the last two "kings" revealed.
I never really suspected TinCow until it was too late though.

Very good game, Jotun, congratulations!

I have a bad feeling for Netherworld III...