Capo di Tutti Capi IV [Concluded]

[Craterus]

Trolls trolling trolls. What better summation of this board today...

[Xenoneb]

I'm saying the lies that are provable... AKA the person admitted it. And also it is possible that you sent it during the same game. Not likely, but possible.

[The Stranger]

he admitted only cuz i pointed it out. and since i admitted too does that now put my lie on 0? no thats not how it works... and since acin is still lying about the dates that means that he still has 2 lies.

anyway now im really off to bed. gn

[Xenoneb]

Good night.
Edit: Your sig is probably right.

[shlin28]

This is getting stupid now... next day can we lynch ACIN, Subotan and The Stranger? All of them (I think?) has lied in public, and not for the good of the town either. ACIN is doing it for the lolz, Subotan is redacting materials for unknown reasons and The Stranger is lying in response to Subotan's 'lies'. Kill them all I say, let the autopsies sort them out.

[Subotan]

So, ACIN made up the story about the mafioso contacting him (my initial impression) just for fun.

Later, The stranger contacts Subotan asking about the hub.

Subotan tells ACIN about it.

ACIN comes under heavy pressure, and decides to act like his story was real all along by saying it was the stranger. Subotan goes along because they are buds.

Thus our current scenario where the stranger is clearly scum of some kind but knows that subotan is lying about part of the story and trying to exploit that.

Congratulations Sasaki, you've worked it out. That's why I was raging about ACIN making my life complicated, as I wanted to avoid saying "Nope, ACIN is lying", because that makes it seem like he's automatically scum (He may yet be, but that's for us to find out later on, rather than deciding here and now on Day 3). The Stranger's account of the date is correct; everything else I've said has been the truth.

I've PM'd Subotan randomly, that is to say, I knew what I was going to PM but I PM'd it randomly to Subotan. I don't know why I picked him, it was an impulsive act. I PM'd what I PM'd because I was bored and didn't have any contacts. I've done this many times during most mafia games I played, I do stuff like this when the game is moving to slow for me.

My PM was intended as a prope to see if I'd get any type of response, and yes, I did. Subotan responded to me about some code. Eager but also naively and at the same time, oddly weary, I replied back to Subotan's code. I didn't directly refer to it as so that the code might not be pinned on me, in case he might want to do what he's doing now.

I didn't post anything about this until now that I realized that SSV might be a symbol for the USA and have something to do with the Commies groups. The SSV being a symbol for the States, I searched the thread and found 2 more instances of him referring to this code.

You should have googled "SSV". Had you done so, then you would have realised that both of my references to SSV were to vehicles of some kind - aka the SSV SR-1 Normandy. I have been dropping Mass Effect references all game, so I thought SSV would be appropriate. The code was a fake meant to lure out third party players looking for their leader; as it happens, I succeeded.

I think I do have hit on scum here now that ACIN has been trying to use my stupid probe born out of boredom to cover for his even more stupid but in retrospect lucky reveal about some mafia role. The way they jumped on this to save ACIN from getting lynched is just too scummy. And also he didn't want to say anything about the code in public.

ACIN's initial reveal was a lie. He revealed this to me; in exchange, I told him about what you had PMed me.

[Visor]

This is getting stupid now... next day can we lynch ACIN, Subotan and The Stranger? All of them (I think?) has lied in public, and not for the good of the town either. ACIN is doing it for the lolz, Subotan is redacting materials for unknown reasons and The Stranger is lying in response to Subotan's 'lies'. Kill them all I say, let the autopsies sort them out.

I agree.

[Subotan]

Subotan is redacting materials for unknown reasons

I redacted the SSV code as I wanted to see if I could trap more third parties with it once all this was over, and I removed the last sentence of my last PM because it's was unnecessary to the case and in retrospect, a bit silly.

[shlin28]

So basically, it was like this?

1. ACIN lied for the lolz.
2. Time passes
   
3. ACIN told Subotan about the lie for the lolz, Subotan kept the secret for the lolz.
4. Stranger sent scummy PM to Subotan, either it was a fishing attempt as he claimed, or he is genuinely scum.
5. Subotan told ACIN about the PM
6. ACIN lies further for the lolz (He was in no real threat of being lynched...)
7. Chaos ensues

Hence:
ACIN - 100% unproductive to the town, possible scum
Subtoan - Sort of unproductive to the town, possible scum
The Stranger - Sort of unproductive to the town, higher chance of being scum

I don't see how any of you can emerge from this untarnished

[Subotan]

The order was actually:

1. ACIN lied for the lolz.
2. Time passes
   
3. Stranger sent scummy PM to Subotan, either it was a fishing attempt as he claimed, or he is genuinely scum.
4. ACIN told Subotan about the lie for the lolz, Subotan kept the secret for the lolz [sic].
5. Subotan told ACIN about the PM
6. ACIN lies further for the lolz (He was in no real threat of being lynched...)
7. Chaos ensues

ACIN - 100% unproductive to the town, possible scum
The Stranger - Sort of unproductive to the town, higher chance of being scum
Subotan - Sort of unproductive to the town, possible scum

EVERYBODY ELSE IN THE GAME - Sort of unproductive to the town, possible scum

[Xenoneb]

The order was actually:

1. ACIN lied for the lolz.
2. Time passes
   
3. Stranger sent scummy PM to Subotan, either it was a fishing attempt as he claimed, or he is genuinely scum.
4. ACIN told Subotan about the lie for the lolz, Subotan kept the secret for the lolz [sic].
5. Subotan told ACIN about the PM
6. ACIN lies further for the lolz (He was in no real threat of being lynched...)
7. Chaos ensues

EVERYBODY ELSE IN THE GAME - Sort of unproductive to the town, possible scum

Referring to yourself in the third person? Very questionable...

[ULC]

Well, this was an entertaining day. You guys just going to burnout on the first few days? :P

[Xenoneb]

They'll be dead be then. No offense.

[a completely inoffensive name]

[ The troll face alone doesn't give a post substance - Sec ]

[Sasaki Kojiro]

So basically, it was like this?

1. ACIN lied for the lolz.
2. Time passes
   
3. ACIN told Subotan about the lie for the lolz, Subotan kept the secret for the lolz.
4. Stranger sent scummy PM to Subotan, either it was a fishing attempt as he claimed, or he is genuinely scum.
5. Subotan told ACIN about the PM
6. ACIN lies further for the lolz (He was in no real threat of being lynched...)
7. Chaos ensues

8. We elect ACIN director tomorrow, for the lolz.

[TheLastDays]

unnecessary [...] and in retrospect, a bit silly.

Sums up the whole argument for me. Seriously, let's have a closer look at this in the morning. Good night!

[Chaotix]

You guys know that SSV is a reference to a game called Mass Effect, right?

It has nothing to do with this game or any sort of secret third party; it's just Subotan screwing around and making Commander Shepard quotes.

That said, if Subotan has to screw around and make quotes, they had better be from Commander Shepard. He's going to save the galaxy whether we like it or not.

[a completely inoffensive name]

Btw, in case all you nay sayers want to lynch me for trolling around, in case you haven't noticed this trolling around has exposed 1 scum person already (stranger).

what you guys really want to do now, is look at the people who reacted to my trolling by changing votes or opinions because the people who really knew I was full of **** were the mafia people themselves.

I have a feeling more than one mafioso made a mistake by trying to abuse my foolish nature for his own good.

I'm off to celebrate by going to a sports game, see you all tomorrow! Trolololololololololololol

[Xenoneb]

The order was actually:

1. ACIN lied for the lolz.
2. Time passes
   
3. Stranger sent scummy PM to Subotan, either it was a fishing attempt as he claimed, or he is genuinely scum.
4. ACIN told Subotan about the lie for the lolz, Subotan kept the secret for the lolz [sic].
5. Subotan told ACIN about the PM
6. ACIN lies further for the lolz (He was in no real threat of being lynched...)
7. Chaos ensues

8. ???
9. Profit!
It's all part of some sort of commie plot! Pinkos!

[thefluffyone93]

[ Nor do memes - Sec ]

[Montmorency]

After following Subo's excellent Googling suggestion, I found that among the many things SSV is...

In 1917 Revolutionary fervour engulfed Sweden. Riots took place in many cities. In Västervik a workers council took control of day-to-day affairs. In Stockholm soldiers marched together with workers on May Day. In the upper-class neighbourhood of Stockholm, Östermalm, residents formed paramilitary structures to defend themselves from a possible armed revolution.

The Social Democratic Left Party of Sweden (SSV) was founded following a split in the Social Democratic Party. The new party was mainly founded by the youth league under the leadership of Zeth Höglund. SSV was a broad-based socialist party, encompassing many leftist tendencies.

In 1919 SSV became a founding member of the Communist International. A small section of the party left in protest.In 1921 in accordance with the 21 theses of the Comintern, the party name was changed to Sveriges Kommunistiska Parti (Communist Party of Sweden). Liberal and non-revolutionary elements were purged. They regrouped under the name SSV. In total 6,000 out of 17,000 party members were expelled.

Fishing for third-party members indeed.

[gnarlycharlie]

In spite of everything else that was posted?

i was catching up at the time. had 3 to 4 pages to go with 5 minutes to vote. didn't even reach the whole stranger bit.

[classical_hero]

Can we have Subotan and The Stranger killed tonight? That will solve so many problems we are having right now.

[Subotan]

You guys know that SSV is a reference to a game called Mass Effect, right?

It has nothing to do with this game or any sort of secret third party; it's just Subotan screwing around and making Commander Shepard quotes.

That said, if Subotan has to screw around and make quotes, they had better be from Commander Shepard. He's going to save the galaxy whether we like it or not.

Sorry, I'm having trouble hearing you. Getting a lot of scum on this line.

After following Subo's excellent Googling suggestion, I found that among the many things SSV is...



Fishing for third-party members indeed.

Haha, what? Are you honestly arguing that despite the Mass Effect references I've dropped since before we got our PMs, that my use of SSV proves I am a Swedish member of a Euroscommunist political party that existed from 1921-1923? On the Eastern Sideboard of the United States? Huh?

[Beefy187]

Can we have Subotan and The Stranger killed tonight? That will solve so many problems we are having right now.

That could work.
Unless they claim to be someone important

[Camikaze]

Vote: Abstain

[Montmorency]

^ Impossible.

[Montmorency]

Perhaps an FBI detective out there would like to scan one of this trio? Particularly Subo, as the innocence of the other two practically hinges on his status.

[edse]

Vote: Abstain

Who is Abstain? Can't see him on the list.

It would be easier to keep track of if you send two PMs, one for active and one for passive. Also, please label all such as "n2"

What would a passive order be?

[Erebus]

ACIN was panicking, he thought he was about 4 or 5 votes from being lynch (the reality he was about 10 or 11) and revealed Stranger to save his ass.

There is some sort of woven fabric of lies between them that is entirely impenetrable with some sort of subpena for hard drives.

If they survive the night, they need to lynched. We can sort the truth from the bodies.

There's most likely 1 scum (possibly 3!) among them, and I like those odds.