Capo di Tutti Capi IV [Concluded]

[Diamondeye]

That's really the best you can do, DE?

I mean, Sasaki has a famous talent for spotting scum, but he's hardly infallible. I've spoken to Clitsome on IM, and while I wouldn't vouch for his innocence (with my present run of form that would pretty much guarantee him to be scum), he doesn't come across as nervous or trying to hide in any way. There's no harm in applying a bit of pressure, of course. But the jokey and explanation-free manner in which you've joined this bandwagon makes me think you're either being lazy with your vote or trying to suck up to certain influential gameroom stalwarts.

I don't think ascribing either of these actions to me is really a stretch, to be honest. That said, I've been somewhat suspicious of Clitsome before today. I can't remember if I aired the suspicion publically or in private to someone.

In any case, he is a rival in the "avatars depicting females" category. You have to understand that!

[Winston Hughes]

I've been somewhat suspicious of Clitsome before today. I can't remember if I aired the suspicion publically or in private to someone.

I can't see it in the thread. What was the reason for your suspicion?

[Diamondeye]

I can't see it in the thread. What was the reason for your suspicion?

actually, mostly the thing about his avatar. But that was around the third night - I think Sasaki's arguments today really nail down what I find suspicious about him as well; for a person who isn't posting a lot (even I have like double his posts, and I'm not sure I catch every thing that is going on), he sure seems to be following the game closely. It's not an argument I feel really good about using too often, since it basically punishes engagement, but the point is that he isn't saying a lot for all the thoughts he seems to have on the game.

Am I making sense? My brain is quite addled with something really important happening this weekend.

[Winston Hughes]

So you had this suspicion yourself, but only understood it properly when Sasaki brought it up? Consider me unconvinced. I think you're flannelling.

vote: Diamondeye

[Diamondeye]

So you had this suspicion yourself, but only understood it properly when Sasaki brought it up? Consider me unconvinced. I think you're flannelling.

What?

[Camikaze]

Vote: Present

[autolycus]

Hi guys, let me just say how proud I am to have been selected as the first, and thus far only, person to be allowed to join the committee partway through. Now I have the illusion of some degree of control over my fate!!
Select:GH
Vote:Romanic He does seem a bit absent over the past few days, Sasaki doesn't feel scummy to me (although he rarely does), and there's enough votes on Clitsome already.

I'll start working my way through the posts, but I'd greatly appreciate people sending me their summaries of what they think we know/is going on.

[shlin28]

I'm surprised no-one actually attacked any of the suspects thrown up previously. I mean, I don't expect all of them to die, but at least one vig attempt on Sigurd/The Stranger/Yaropolk/PR/Chaotix would be nice. Instead we get hits on lurkers, which is not so great now that WoGs are happening now (If they are not dead in a day or two, then kill them).

Also, has everyone forgotten about MRD's last confession? Sure, he could just be typical MRD when he mentioned GH/Ironside/Jarema/Daveshack as mafia, but they could at least be looked at... Hence, Select Craterus - he being the only contender to GH currently. If not Craterus, why not someone who was scanned as innocent? I vaguely remember someone mentioning something like that before. Same risk, but at least then we know something about the Director.

I'll Vote: Abstain for now.

[God Emperor]

grrr.. All these 'vote:present'.. if they work as DE explained, then they are completely pointless. . So the people who are placing such votes, why are you doing that? to show us that you are active?
furthermore, how can a bandwagon like the one on Clitsome grow like that..
Sigurd was almost lynched yesterday, by a huge bandwagon, and now not a single person even conciders casting their vote on him?
Town is losing, and it's losing badly, if this is how our votes are being cast..

But if you guys suddenly have decided that Sigurd is now just to be left alone , then I will put my own vote another place for now, unless people show the same interest in his death that they showed yesterday.

Sturmhauke you little scum!

let's look at your more recent posts..

I look at it this way: if there actually commies, we need to get rid of them. If there are people pretending to be commies for the lulz, and tricking other people into joining their fake pinko group, then they're just creating a bunch of noise while the actual mafia families are out there getting stronger. In this second case, the lolcommies aren't much different from our dear departed ACIN and his trolling antics, and should be gotten rid of for making it easier for the scum to hide and laugh at the rest of us. There's also the possibility of the lolcommies actually gaining enough members to form a new lolcommie mafia.

If the Sigurd wagon gains some steam, I'll consider switching, but for now I'll stick with Populus as the one with the head start. They both need to go I think.

I'm inclined to agree about Clitsome. I don't really have much of a read on anyone at the moment, but let's see if he has anything to say in his defense.

Unvote: Present
Vote: Clitsome

Just these 3 posts..
1) your vote: present.. this is a very personal view, but I think it is an unhealthy sign.
2) you want Sigurd dead! That much is clear so how can that result in 'I don't really have much of a read on anyone'
3) you jump on the newest bandwagon right away, which suggests that you really don't care too much about who is going to be lynched, when we compare it to your rhetoric concering Sigurd and your day phase votes/actions
.. not to mention that you also think that popolus needs to die. He was your alternative to Sigurd.

Vote: Sturmhauke

[Winston Hughes]

What?

Flannel = flattering or evasive talk; also : nonsense, rubbish

Flattering to Sasaki. Evasive about the real reasons for your vote.

[fubbleskag]

Unvote; Vote Sigurd - until/unless a better candidate catches my eye (God Emperor's case on Sturmhauke is certainly intriguing...)

[Diamondeye]

Flannel = flattering or evasive talk; also : nonsense, rubbish

Flattering to Sasaki. Evasive about the real reasons for your vote.

I don't need to flatter Sasaki, I'm his Serzhant

And no, those are the real reasons for my vote. Why is it nobody trusts that other people's cases can actually be convincing?

[Seon]

I can't read you at all right now, and I am considering that a bad sign, DE

Vote: DE

[Montmorency]

Why was Ishmael, of all people, protected by a doctor?

Why is shlin28 consistently selecting Craterus?

[scottishranger]

So scottishranger, what was the meeting you were going to? Was it a vig/protection group or something?

I honestly think it was just writing fluff. to the best of my knowledge I was not invited to any meetings last night...

[Askthepizzaguy]

Why was Ishmael, of all people, protected by a doctor?

Why is shlin28 consistently selecting Craterus?

Worthy questions indeed.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I honestly think it was just writing fluff. to the best of my knowledge I was not invited to any meetings last night...

To the best of your knowledge?

No, when I was asked this question I knew the answer. The answer was no.

Why do you need margin for error?

[robbiecon]

Given how far behind I am in terms of current events, the only fair thing to do is to:

Vote: Abstain, until I at least know somewhat more about what is currently going on.

[Neri]

Vote: abstain since I've not been able to follow the thread to any meaningful degree.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Maybe Ishmael is worth taking a look at. The writeup seems to go out of its way to imply that he wasn't protected by anyone he knew (i.e. a luca) but why would it do that? Presumably Seamus is concerned about don's being outed that easy.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Maybe Ishmael is worth taking a look at. The writeup seems to go out of its way to imply that he wasn't protected by anyone he knew (i.e. a luca) but why would it do that? Presumably Seamus is concerned about don's being outed that easy.

I would assume solo doc protects will look identical to Luca protects.

He could be scanned, is my recommendation.

[DaveShack]

I interpreted Ishmael's bomb shelter to be an ability, like the people who seem to be lucky. Have previous Capo's had writeups where protections did not mention anything about a protector?

[Renata]

Visorslash's post history and especially voting history is god-awful. Diamondeye's link up there works; check it out.

vote: Visorslash

Highlights from memory:
-- no reasons for any of his votes unless he is arguing that the other bandwagon option is worse for one reason or another
-- has defended bandwagons against four people as being bad ones when only one really did suck (Montmorency, Sigurd, MRD, Clitsome); has never indicated suspicion of anyone
-- near end of day a couple of days ago said he doubted something about Subotan's argument against Stranger but still had a vote against STranger himself and didn't change it

And the thing that is really getting me. When the bandwagon against Sigurd kicked up yesterday, Visor hopped right on in the middle of it, as usual with no explanation other than thinking MRD didn't deserve to be lynched. But he did not have the excuse of not reading the thread/not understanding the joke issue. He knew Sigurd had claimed commie way back on day one; he commented on it himself in post 427. If anyone on that whole stupid bandwagon should have been predisposed to argue against -- or at least to add an informed opinion about -- Sigurd's lynch it should have been Visorslash, but he dsaid nothing. Just bandwagoned along with all the other sheep and hopped right off again (also with no comment) as soon as Sigurd gave his defense.

As an aside, I don't think that Diamondeye is mafia yet, the key word being the last one. We had a chat yesterday; his claimed actions and demeanor are most consistent with someone who wants to be mafia but was unlucky enough to start out as a plain old townie. Add him to the pile with Chaotix and Populus.

[Renata]

I would assume solo doc protects will look identical to Luca protects.

He could be scanned, is my recommendation.

And an innocent result would be suspicious? I approve. Seriously though, it wouldn't convict him in itself, though a criminal or guilty result would nearly do the opposite.

[Diamondeye]

Add him to the pile with Chaotix and Populus.

Now we just need some gals?

[Montmorency]

Vote: Visorslash

Some of that makes sense, even though you imply that I was a good bandwagon.

Oh, and now that we know Moros was a Luca: how did the (Seward's Folly) Mafia know who he was by D2 (killed N2)?

Was it just betrayal right off the bat?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

From Capo III:

Chaotix, Death is Yonder, and Split successfully protected DJG (Mafia Don!) from the attack of Gibs, W_E, Khaan, & Dutch (most of the crew who whacked QJC) – Ichigo didn’t have to Luca at all really, though he too got credit for the save.

Across town, DJGingivtis was finishing a caffe corretto at the same bistro where pizza and the others had enjoyed the scallopini so much the preceding night. As he stood to leave, putting on his coat, a group of trech coat clad tommy guns entered the ristorante from the service doors and opened fire.

DJG was hit 3 or 4 times rapidly and knocked across his own table to the floor. As the gunmen moved forward make sure of their kill, several other persons fired through the front windows and door of the bistro. In the confused crossfire, none of the gunmen managed to hit one another or even get a good look at their targets.

When the hail of gunfire had cleared, all of the tommy gunners had escaped the way they entered and the shooters at the front of the restaurant had faded into the darkness or melted into the gathering crowd, their weapons re-concealed. Behind them they left a dead waiter, 3 dead patrons, and 6 more wounded. DJGingivtis was not one of the casualties. Though knocked unconscious by the impact of the rounds, the armor plates worked into the lining of his coat had saved his life, as had the timely intervention of the second group of shooters.

DJGingvitis was left to ponder only one thing – exactly who had armored his coat for him? He owed somebody, or several somebodies, a ‘thank you.’

From Ishmael's kill:

Before the second PIAT round came through the front window into the hallway, Ishmael had fallen through a trapdoor in the floor which promptly snapped back into place with a click followed by the sound of sliding metal. The trapdoor dropped him into a small bomb shelter stocked with a comfy chair, beer, a couple of flashlights, and a few magazines. Armored and with its air ducted in and out at a goodly distance from the bungalow, Ish’ was perfectly safe. He could only faintly here the sounds of his attackers stomping through the bungalow and firing bursts into the furniture in frustration.

Now if he only knew who had built the bombshelter for him…

I think the armored plates in coat are the luca protect. There is a marked similarity between the two cases here--DJ is described as not knowing who had protected him, even though it was his luca.

There were a couple people protected by armored plates in this game though...possibly luca ability is disguised in the same way as several innocent abilities.

[Montmorency]

It's possible to raise objections against even that, but...

Unvote; Vote: Ishmael

[Montmorency]

There were a couple people protected by armored plates in this game though...possibly luca ability is disguised in the same way as several innocent abilities.

That was only Pizza, wasn't it? Besides which, these are clearly protection groups only: one armor plate per person.

The context and usage are distinct.

[Choxorn]

Oh, and now that we know Moros was a Luca: how did the (Seward's Folly) Mafia know who he was by D2 (killed N2)?

Was it just betrayal right off the bat?

It's also possible they just killed him at random and got lucky.

Vote: Diamondeye

In addition the scumminess others have mentioned, he also seems to be guilty of several of the things mentioned on Clitsome.