Capo di Tutti Capi IV [Concluded]

[Montmorency]

That's just a poor conclusion, trusting a mafia family to completely know how active the members of other families are. Plus, a WoG on N4 doesn't leave much time since then for the amount of recruitment either of the clearly most successful mafia families have (Alaskans and toe-guys).

No, I assumed that the Alaskans and toe-collectors were two of the Big Three: Corleone, Stracchi, and Cunnio.

And according to Pizza, we should be lynching more than half of you. Well, in that case - do what needs to be done. You understand.

And Pizza: when I heard you were going neutral, I thought you wouldn't help anyone.

Still, I think your triumphalism is a bit premature. The Mafia don't yet know everything. And no one can hide from what they don't know; not even you, Pizza. Not even you.

[TinCow]

FYI, if it wasn't clear, ATPG is scum and should be lynched. He is mafia and is helping to organize all the mafia families. He's essentially doing the reverse of what he did in Capo III.

[Xenoneb]

But then the pro town would fall. What would happen? We need to have someone stand up pro-town. Maybe someone dead, with reveled roles?

[GeneralHankerchief]

***Warning: Long, important post ahead***

Nice post, ATPG. But here's where you go wrong: It's a lot easier to level accusations at you when it comes straight from the horse's mouth.

A few of you have probably been asking what I've been doing as Director. Well, here it is. Several nights ago I got approached by an anonymous source who told me that he wanted protection on him for the night and that ATPG was Luca Cunnio. After some nice efforts by a few people, I've concluded that ATPG is likely Cunnio, and most definitely scum. But not is he only scum, he's also the type of scum that betrays his own kind.

What follows is the culmination of a long series of PM conversations between the two of us.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Can we chat?

Like, what are you doing after you step down. Just to refresh my swiss-cheese-like memory.

You're going mafia, I would assume. Do you have a preference for a certain family, I can make introductions? Do you need to know more about each family before deciding?

Or are you going to try to do some ill-advised mischief?

You know me too well, I think. Ill-advised mischief, most likely, at least to start. Although I suppose it would be handy to have a primer on the families. Nothing too specific, just an idea of how they're all doing.

Stracchi currently boast a membership of eight, expanding rapidly.

Cunnio are at seven, expanding more slowly but steadily,

Corleone are at 7-9, they lost a member, not sure of all their numbers.

These three families are allied through me. I could place you with any of them.

If you prefer to support or oppose a certain player, I could put you on the same team or an opposing team from them.

The Tataglia and Barzini are getting a beatdown, I infer, and none of the independents are making much progress to become a family.

Well, I certainly wasn't expecting that. Guess your vig groups have been effective, to say the least. I'm not really against anyone in the game, there've been a couple of pests but not doing night actions really ever means you don't get a chance to make many enemies. In terms of which family I want to join purely off aesthetics, I'm ruling out Corleone and Stracci due to bad experiences in the past. Any idea what Cunnio's kill signature is? The Director needs a family that pulls off its work with style.

Yeah, considering I did a Cunnio hit last night with my AHEM AHEM AHEM umbrella from Capo III....

Their signature is lopping off toes.

Oh, and Don Cunnio did the "Pizzaguy" kill for me. You know, alibi and stuff.

Because I'm a devious bastard and all.

Yeah, Don Cunnio does things I ask him to. *whistles innocently*

His reply:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

If I'm reading this right then it's probably not a good idea that I sign up for one of the two lesser families.

No, not wise at all, really.

So this is how it's all going to play out, I'm guessing. Leave the lesser two families to their fates, your three-family alliance that you've created by funneling the people that signed up for your groups into the families will be ascendant, and then the endgame will consist of an epic betrayal, some of it due to sheer firepower, some of it due to Cunnio moles in the other two families.

Sounds about right to me. Not exactly what will happen, though. I still haven't decided if I'm going to go Cunnio or not. I have questions unanswered by Seamus that need answering before I lock in my endgame strategy.

I'm right, aren't I? I do enjoy being right about this sort of thing.

I have a feeling some of my ideas are floating around as rumor. I did of course leak several competing plans, so people will have no idea what I'm really up to. And also to see where the leaks are.

If I *am* right, I honestly think I'd rather take a pass. You do your Director thing, pass the mantle back onto me when you've had your fun, and then I turn a blind eye towards everything, "gallantly" lead the town in a desperate attempt to reverse the tide, and you work the writeup with Seamus so that I have enough funds to retire to a nice little nest egg in Martinique. It's much easier to appreciate a ballet if you're in the audience than if you're a backup dancer, after all.

I actually have a fun idea if you're interested.

If you would be the Count Dooku to my Darth Sidious.... lead the anti-pizza efforts while working directly with me in secret, and then epically betraying tons of people at the end....

Wouldn't that be more satisfying?

I'm I'm wrong, I'm still going mafia, but I'll probably spend a bit of time digesting what you've told me before I make a decision.

In any case, I congratulate you on your deception, sir!

I'll help you go Made in the family I eventually end up in, so you'll win a decisive victory no matter what. You don't have to do anything except go Made, then you can retire as Director, as an arm of the winning family.

But yeah, digest, digest.

I've been having lots of fun this game.

BTW I am allied to 4 families, not 3. I just am not sure which name is the fourth yet. They're a bit untrusting toward me. I wonder why that is.

Town, you should vote for ATPG because he's scum. Scum, you should vote for ATPG because his plan is to betray you in the endgame for himself.

But, you say, what if it's all a ploy? Even if he's lying about this, what's the motive? Would it be any better if he was, say, The Wolf?

He claims Cunnio to me. Then, in an arrangement with our potential lynch target of the day, landlubber, he claims another equally sinister role:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

I have connections to the Mob Lawyer. His function is to prevent lynches on scumbags. You're a scumbag, thing is, it's too late to protect you today.

Buuuuut.

We can protect you tomorrow. But it is a waste of his time to protect anyone besides me, unless he's sure that guy gets lynched.

So we are going to try to get you lynched except, we're going to be deceptive about it.

In this fiction, you will play the role of a big time mafia gangster, a Luca of the Cunnio family. [to protect your family's identity].

You will discuss recruiting me into the Cunnio family, with the toe-lopping kills. I'll pretend to be interested, and try to get the name of your Don and your Made, but you won't budge. I ask for a quicktopic where we can talk, and we make one, but only you ever show up. So I get all pissy.

And the story goes that I reveal you to the entire town tomorrow and demand you die.

So, the votes pile up on you, and you reveal.... you're not actually Luca Cunnio. You are THE WOLF.

HOLY !

You ask all gangsters to contact you so you can organize the mafia under your command.

The wagon on you becomes HUGE.

Then, you survive.



Then you explain OOOPS I survived that because I'm THE WOLF you geniuses.

So, they try to lynch you again the next day and it fails AGAIN.

And I protect you at night with a mafia-aligned doctor. For the epic luls.


This is going to be spectacu-licious. Trust me, I can do all of this flawlessly.

The Wolf, for the unitiated, was a role in Capo I that had an alternate victory condition of betraying the Dons and becoming Capo di Tutti Capi. There was a similar role in Capo II, The Shadow, that had an alternate victory condition of betraying the Dons and becoming Capo di Tutti Capi.

So, to sum it up, Askthepizzaguy is claiming different roles to different people, all of them scum roles. He is mafia, he is out for himself, and he is not to be trusted. The time to lynch him is now.

[Xenoneb]

You still retiring?

[Montmorency]

Convoluted stuff.

But one problem:

Oh, and Don Cunnio did the "Pizzaguy" kill for me. You know, alibi and stuff.

Because I'm a devious bastard and all.

Yeah, Don Cunnio does things I ask him to. *whistles innocently*

Dons can't attack unless they are alone. This must be a lie.

[scottishranger]

Curiouser and Curiouser

Im interested to see the replies now.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Convoluted stuff.

But one problem:



Dons can't attack unless they are alone. This must be a lie.

Dons can attack solo and fail.

[Sprig]

I would be surprised if he was aligned.

It wouldn't hold up to scans. Which makes him a wiseguy still.

[Populus Romanus]

I had an MSN conversation with ATPG. For some reason on my MSN he appears as Daniel%20Albert.

Populus Romanus says:
Nice plan
Daniel%20Albert says:
I will need to become Director to pull it off
here's why
I'm going to try to infiltrate a mafia family
then, I'll expose whoever I find in there, and go townie fully
I need you guys to protect the rogues
the Directorship itself will protect me
Then, we will be invincible.
Populus Romanus says:
You have my vote
Daniel%20Albert says:
I've been plotting this since the beginning
it will be GLORIOUS
I will assemble townie protect squads for the doctors, too
Populus Romanus says:
Personally, if I were a mafiosi and ATPG came down my way asking to join my family I would definently think more than twice.
Daniel%20Albert says:
hahahaa
Yeah
Especially since I claimed neutral and claimed scanned by FBI and claimed knowing docs and detectives
ooooops

[GeneralHankerchief]

Oh, you mean his "I'm creating a bunch of Rogue Detectives" line? Yeah, he gave that one to me a few days back, before he changed his tune:

I'm thinking about sticking town. The deaths of the three scanners in one night has changed things a bit. Town's getting kicked around, right now it seems like more of a challenge. The pendulum's swung back the other way, in a sense.

Basically the rough outline of a new goal I've come up with over the past few hours is to create a group of Rogue Detectives. I'm not going to go full-on network, as it goes against my blood, but a minor group together that can influence things and prevent this game from running away. It'll probably take me a day or two to start setting things up though, so would you mind lending me one or two of your doctors tomorrow night? This is only until I get things set up.

Once/if I get the Rogues in order and cut the mafia back down to size, the option will still be there for them to go down the path they want, which is what allows me to be personally okay with this strategy. Basically right now I just want to keep the game as tight as I still can.

Your efforts will be redundant, GH.

I already am making a team of six rogue detectives. I wouldn't worry about the game running away either, I can almost guarantee that three of the families are having severe problems. 90% of the success is coming from two families.

Moros being lost as a Luca, one family can't seem to get a single murder done correctly, and seemingly no murders from the fifth family at all.

In short, you're worrying too much, sir. Town is in superb shape, especially with all the rogues and docs.

All right, fair enough. Though if I may ask, what are your plans for the Rogues once they achieve that status?

In spite of my organizing these efforts, I have always left it up to the players themselves what they wish to do.

1) protect
2) kill
3) make doctors intentionally

After they become doctors, rogues, detectives, or wiseguys, their career plans are their own. I can continue to assist or they can branch off and cause their own mayhem.

See, GH, promotion is hard. No one else can seem to get the job done properly. I'm here for that; I help anyone and everyone who asks for help.

Once their dreams are achieved, they go and live the dream without further interference from me.

They want to go town, they go town. They want to go mafia, they go mafia.

For your own victory, I would recommend you go mafia, however. It will always be known who went rogue, the groups that forged them are public knowledge.

As such, the mafia will have a very large struggle, but should prevail, especially with the right people involved.

[Montmorency]

Dons can attack solo and fail.

No, no, they have to be last in their family.

[gibsonsg91921]

Well, predictably, if you say kill: xx and you can't kill, it'll fail, no matter what your role is. Won't it just fail?

[Earthling]

That's not what he was saying, GH is probably right.

It's been obvious since Night 1 pizza has been trying to kill townies, prevent townies from becoming doctors, and lied about his whole neutral act, but like I said, it'd come out even more obviously to people on its own.

There are a fair number of townies left anyway and random wiseguys probably don't want to be killed to gain experience for other mafia crews, possibly enough for the lynch.

[scottishranger]

No, no, they have to be last in their family.

From my very small experience as a Don in CapO II i am fairly sure they can engage in vig hits, but the effort will fail because they are Dons. So why wouldnt a Don be able to do a failed hit?


As to GH, I am almost convinced, but I feel like in your 2nd post he is not claiming to be mafia, he is just giving his opinion. Was this convo from before your first post's convo?

[Beskar]

This is a scam by Askthepizzaguy, he wants you to try and kill him on purpose.

It's cute how you are doing this lulzworthy exercise with him, GeneralHankercheif,

[gibsonsg91921]

ATPG is a joker O.o

[Frozen In Ice]

I wonder why Pizza decided to tell multiple people his mafia asperations when it was clear something would leak, especially since he is involved. What are you playing at Pizza?

[ULC]

I'll be honest and say that if ATPG were mafia, he would have told me, because I'd be a mafioso right now as well. He KNOWS I would have done anything to be a mafioso, he knows my preference for getting in the night write ups. If ATPG lied to me then I don't have much more reason to play in the game and would request a replacement, it's as simple as that, because such an agreement between me and him is beyond the game.

Yes, I might have metagamed right there, but it's the honest truth - I came in to Capo to work with Pizza because Pizza gets things done. And is delicious.

[scottishranger]

ATPG is a joker O.o

[gibsonsg91921]

Maybe it's an American Gangster type thing. He has the town, and the mafia, by the nuts and we're all afraid to raise a finger on him.

[Populus Romanus]

I'll be honest and say that if ATPG were mafia, he would have told me, because I'd be a mafioso right now as well. He KNOWS I would have done anything to be a mafioso, he knows my preference for getting in the night write ups. If ATPG lied to me then I don't have much more reason to play in the game and would request a replacement, it's as simple as that, because such an agreement between me and him is beyond the game.

How do we know you aren't a mafioso?

[GeneralHankerchief]

As to GH, I am almost convinced, but I feel like in your 2nd post he is not claiming to be mafia, he is just giving his opinion. Was this convo from before your first post's convo?

Yes.

[GeneralHankerchief]

As to GH, I am almost convinced, but I feel like in your 2nd post he is not claiming to be mafia, he is just giving his opinion. Was this convo from before your first post's convo?

Yes.

[Montmorency]

A Don is the leader of her/his crime “family.” Their objective is to eliminate all of the other dons in the game, and to have more members in their crime “family” than the total of innocent townies and opposing criminals, thus gaining control and becoming the “Capo de tutti Capi.” There are 5 families at the start of play: Barzini, Corleone, Cunnio, Stracchi, & Tataglia.

A Don normally cannot kill opponents during a “night” phase, and must work through others. Normally, however, they appear as “innocent” if investigated by a detective or made, so they can camouflage themselves well. Even the FBI detective is unlikely to spot them. If the Don has lost all the other members of her/his family, they may perform 1 kill per “night” phase. However, subsequent to any such killing they will be identified as “guilty” if investigated by a detective, and “criminal” if investigated by a made.

In addition, a Don is normally protected by their Luca, making them effectively unkillable. Should her/his Luca not be functioning in “protection” mode, the Don may be killed as would any other Townie.

Alright, I guess I extrapolated "can't attack" from that. Fine, so an attack by a Don will still be depicted in the write-up. Very well.

[ULC]

How do we know you aren't a mafioso?

Because I know ever single name of every single person I worked with and they can vouch for me.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Because I know ever single name of every single person I worked with and they can vouch for me.

Start naming then.

[Populus Romanus]

ATPG, in our msn conversation I said you had my vote. You know what, you do have my vote.

unvote; Chaotix
vote: Askthepizzaguy

[gibsonsg91921]

A shaky case against AggonyKing is trumped by a pretty out there case against ATPG. Unvote, Vote: Askthepizzaguy

[ULC]

Start naming then.

In the open? What are you at GH, because you know that if I do so I expose doctors, rogues, and wiseguys. You DON'T have the manpower to properly protect any of them, and I'm not about to go off and make a shooting gallery for the mafia. But you know what, I'll claim.

1 night shy of Rogue Detective

N1: Protect ATPG
N2: Protect ATPG
N3: Protect Secura, did not accept Doctor Promotion.
N4: Attack Ameranth
N5: Attack Edse, this one failed
N6: Attack Nictel
N7: Attack ????, promote to Rogue Detective.

I can also claim being the shotgun, flip cocking greaser, as I asked Seamus to put me in the write up.

GG, whether I live or die.