Capo di Tutti Capi IV [Concluded]

[Erebus]

I'd like to let Autolycus know his vote doesn't count because he didn't unvote his previous landlubber vote.

[Montmorency]

Awww ma-a-a-n, I really wish I could have survived for one more turn. Just to get a taste of the post-Day 7 experience.

The day when got real.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Stracchi currently boast a membership of eight, expanding rapidly.

Cunnio are at seven, expanding more slowly but steadily,

Corleone are at 7-9, they lost a member, not sure of all their numbers.

This is exactly what went bad in capo III. There's supposed to be small groups of people plotting and conniving on their own. There has to be room for individual achievement. Why, in a game where 3 detectives went down early, would you help create a 25 person mafia alliance? The excess of organization makes the game less fun.

unvote, vote:atpg

[Beskar]

You know what?
After ATPG is lynched, we should go ahead and lynch GH.
Just to be sure.

Besides, a little bit of anarchy never hurt anybody, right?

Select: thefluffyone93

[ULC]

I call BS on you yet again on GH. I like how I am being basically ignored after saying that if ATPG were mafia, I would be as well. This is totally out of game, not in game - I was siding with ATPG as soon as the game began and was going to work with him. Basically, if ATPG is mafia he has PERSONALLY betrayed me, not betrayed me ingame which I'd expect and would be fine with. However, he asked me to go Rogue Detective for him, indicating to me neutral or town status, instead of pursuing Made Gangster.

[Lewwyn]

Ok GH... If he does get lynched, does he get less annoying or more annoying?

Unvote; Vote: Askthepizzaguy

[seireikhaan]

Vote: Askthepizzaguy

Time to end this. See ya on the other side.

[Chaotix]

Question:

If there are 25 mafiosi allied with ATPG, do you really expect he will be lynched with only around 10-15 votes on him?

This is not going to fly if you don't get like 30 people on this wagon ASAP. I might support the lynch if you prove to me that it's even possible to do it.

I am not one of those 25, but I have enjoyed the benefits of working with ATPG (as I imagine have 50% of the players in this game). The only reason people are going to lynch him is to prove it's possible; to take him down a peg, so to speak.

[GeneralHankerchief]

I call BS on you yet again on GH. I like how I am being basically ignored after saying that if ATPG were mafia, I would be as well. This is totally out of game, not in game - I was siding with ATPG as soon as the game began and was going to work with him. Basically, if ATPG is mafia he has PERSONALLY betrayed me, not betrayed me ingame which I'd expect and would be fine with. However, he asked me to go Rogue Detective for him, indicating to me neutral or town status, instead of pursuing Made Gangster.

That's all well and good, but there's also the fact that I just don't believe you.

[Montmorency]

I call BS on you yet again on GH. I like how I am being basically ignored after saying that if ATPG were mafia, I would be as well. This is totally out of game, not in game - I was siding with ATPG as soon as the game began and was going to work with him. Basically, if ATPG is mafia he has PERSONALLY betrayed me, not betrayed me ingame which I'd expect and would be fine with. However, he asked me to go Rogue Detective for him, indicating to me neutral or town status, instead of pursuing Made Gangster.

Being dead I can't be too direct, but it really does seem as though Pizza became to individuals whatever they wanted him to be. He has in fact helped everyone do everything, from advance to rogue to advance to Made.

Eh. To be honest, I'm not bright enough to see a loophole in this pre-game pact of yours. Maybe someone else could point it out?

And where is Pizza, anyway? Nothing to say? There are only 10 hours left.

He must be up to something. He does not go quietly.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Chaotix:

There are 25 mafiosi under the impression that ATPG is allied with them. In reality he's planning to betray most of them in the endgame. That's the difference, and that's why this lynch can and needs to happen.

[Montmorency]

Question:

If there are 25 mafiosi allied with ATPG, do you really expect he will be lynched with only around 10-15 votes on him?

This is not going to fly if you don't get like 30 people on this wagon ASAP. I might support the lynch if you prove to me that it's even possible to do it.

I am not one of those 25, but I have enjoyed the benefits of working with ATPG (as I imagine have 50% of the players in this game). The only reason people are going to lynch him is to prove it's possible; to take him down a peg, so to speak.

I interpreted this as a lie. Perhaps the truth lies somewhere in between.

Edit: Oh, yes, and the betrayal thing too.

[Populus Romanus]

Pizza will have to change his user title.

[Chaotix]

Chaotix:

There are 25 mafiosi under the impression that ATPG is allied with them. In reality he's planning to betray most of them in the endgame. That's the difference, and that's why this lynch can and needs to happen.

This is just your spin on it, GH.

The fact is that what you are saying is patently obvious to everyone in that alliance. Three families and one "neutral" can't win Capo together. It just doesn't work that way. What you (deliberately or not) fail to realize is that their alliance is merely one of convenience until they wipe everyone else out. Once that happens, it's a free-for-all and the best family wins. ATPG just has the advantage of being able to pick the winning side. So the families aren't going to care that *surprise* ATPG is planning to betray them, because *surprise* they are all planning to betray each other ANYWAY.

But, let's suppose for a moment what you say is true, and those 6 Rogues were going to pick off all three of those families instead of all the townies. Well then, the town wins with ATPG.

And if neither of those options are what you want, then what DO you want?

Are YOU planning to betray most of the town in the endgame? What makes you a better option?

[classical_hero]

Chaotix:

There are 25 mafiosi under the impression that ATPG is allied with them. In reality he's planning to betray most of them in the endgame. That's the difference, and that's why this lynch can and needs to happen.

So basically it is your word against his word.

You seem to know what his plans aere an yet you are not saying what your plans are. If we are t be believed, then you are saying that you are just being noble in this attempt to oust ATPG. But I highly doubt it.

[GeneralHankerchief]

My plans? I want to choose the path that gives me the best combination of a) keeping me alive and b) allowing me to have fun. If that involves betraying people, I'll burn that bridge when I come to it.

[White_eyes:D]

Sasaki and GH have a clear case of.....


Looks like GH wants to take out the competition early on.

[ULC]

That's all well and good, but there's also the fact that I just don't believe you.

Okay then, I'll self WoG to prove my point if I have to. But it's okay if you personally, as a person, think I am lying, because as a person I am telling the truth, and I know that as a fact. I don't like to think you see ATPG as so low to betray me.

[Visor]

Unvote; Vote: AggonyKing

[Askthepizzaguy]

Hello, what's all this then?

[Populus Romanus]

Hello, what's all this then?

Quick, lynch him before he talks us all out of it!

[Choxorn]

I don't like this. I don't like this at all. Something is afoul in the state of New Jersey. Well, more afoul than all the usual things in New Jersey that are afoul. I sense a trap, and maybe there's a Count Dooku, too. Something just seems... a bit off about all of this.

[Sprig]

Ok, lets shake things up. Vote: ATPG

[ULC]

Having talked with ATPG, I redact my statements. However, my vote isn't going to change - I am now just indifferent to the situation.

[Visor]

I don't like this. I don't like this at all. Something is afoul in the state of New Jersey. Well, more afoul than all the usual things in New Jersey that are afoul. I sense a trap, and maybe there's a Count Dooku, too. Something just seems... a bit off about all of this.

Smells like a trap. But ATPG's organising has been useful for people. So...

[Nightbringer]

Well, I suppose we'll just have to Vote:ATPG

[Visor]

Well, I suppose we'll just have to Vote:ATPG

I'll set my Egyptians onto you.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Hey loyal troops. It's me, your infamous leader.

It is upsetting to me to see that the Director doesn't seem to fully appreciate your talents. Don't you wonder why no one else will bother to make you a Rogue, Doctor, or Made Gangster?

They don't trust you, guys. They see your future. They know your power will be too strong to control. Fatlings, you must break through the fog of lies the incorruptibles have created around you. Let me help you to know the subtleties of the Force. My mentor taught me everything about the Force . . . even the nature of the dark side.

Fatlings, if one is to understand the great mystery, one must study all its aspects, not just the dogmatic, narrow view of the townies. If you wish to become a complete and wise leader, you must embrace a larger view of the Force. Be careful of the incorrutibles, Fatlington. Only through me can you achieve a power greater than that of any townie.

The power to become the Don of Dons. The Capo di Tutti Capi.



I know what has been troubling you . . . Listen to me. Don't continue to be a pawn of the Committe of Vigilance! Ever since I've known you, you've been searching for a life greater than that of an ordinary townie. . . a life of significance, of conscience.


Are you going to kill me?

Yes, of course, you should. But you're not sure of the intentions of the FPD, are you? Did you perform a kill..... did you kill in the name of justice?

Then you will scan as guilty or criminal. And the FPD will hunt you down, and then comes the noose.



Don't let them kill me. Use my knowledge of the dark side, and you can save yourself..... from certain death.

[Crazed Rabbit]

Vote: ATPG

Time for the noose, methinks.

CR

[guiri]

Unofficial Vote Count up to #2549


Askthepizzaguy: 19 (Zack, The Stranger, Populus, gibsonsg, Woad, Craterus, B Ray, Scienter, landlubber, scottishranger, thefluffyone, sturmhauke, memnon, sasaki, lewwyn, issaikhaan, Sprig, Nightbringer, CrazedRabbit)

AggonyKing: 13 (diana, diamondeye, OTLD, chaotix, andres, herodiclassico, fyremarble, DIY, robbiecon, Daveshack, Kennight, ULC, Visorslash)
Landlubber: 7 (Renata, autolycus, believer, Neri, beskar, Choxorn, whiteeyes)
Chaotix: 6 (peasantphill, GamezRule, CecilXIX, jarema, edse, Cahoma)
Sigurd: 5 (fubbleskag, Riedquat, shlin28, guiri, gnarlycharlie)
Diamondeye: 2 (Frozen in Ice, XehhII)

Sasaki Kojiro: 1 (AggonyKing)
Shlin28: 1 (Askthepizzaguy)
sturmhauke: 1 (seon)
fluffyone: 1 (secura)

Present: 1 (Camikaze)
Abstain: 2 (Ibn-Khaldun, Byzantine Knight)