Clue Mafia [Concluded]

[Ishmael]

Sigh...you guys get all the fun. I've played in 7 maifa games so far (I think? I've lost count), and haven't been scum in any. I can only believe that probability hates me.

[TheLastDays]

I get the clue! Lynch Ishmael!

[Ishmael]

TLD's name is a clue! He's planning to bring about the last days - by murdering everybody! Lynch Oh! The Last Days! (I apologise for using four exclamation marks in the one sentence - to be fair, 2 were in TLD's name )

[classical_hero]

Communist are a sort of scum. :p

[Visor]

Sigh...you guys get all the fun. I've played in 7 maifa games so far (I think? I've lost count), and haven't been scum in any. I can only believe that probability hates me.

Took me around 20ish games before I got one. Vespasian was my first, and C9 was my second and last.

[classical_hero]

For awhile i was getting scum roles left right and centre, now they have dried up for me.

[Zack]

Only mafia get PMs. Everyone else is just a vanilla townie.

[edse]

Only mafia get PMs. Everyone else is just a vanilla townie.

sigh, I had so good clues figured out. anyone wanna here them?

Btw, I will be away until ~15:00 (GMT+2) at Sunday.

[DaveShack]

I was about to give Zack another poke if it hadn't started.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I've discovered a clue.

[Zack]

Mafia, please get in your orders!

And please explain your clues.

[Zack]

NIGHT THE FIRST

It was a bloody first night. Two townspeople were killed.

When the townspeople gathered in the morning, they realized the previous sentence was indeed true, and decided to investigate.


They went to Cahoma's house first.

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His corpse wasn't very bloody, but it was covered in bruises. A broken drumstick was found near his body, along with the following note:

octopus... under the sea

Then, the townspeople went to Montmorency's smelly old shack.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

His body was covered in bloody gashes. A cracked ship-in-a-bottle, with a miniature-sized pirate ship inside, was found lying near the body.

After witnessing the gruesome events of the previous night, the townspeople vowed to eliminate the evil mafiosos.


IT IS NOW DAY ONE.


You may vote for up to THREE different people.






PLAYERS

1. johnhughthom
2. Montmorency -- Townie, Killed Night 1
3. landlubber
4. Skooma Addict
5. Ishmael
6. Cecil XIX
7. Arjos
8. Askthepizzaguy
9. Cahoma -- Townie, Killed Night 1
10. Captain Blackadder
11. robbiecon
12. hero di classico
13. edse
14. Seon
15. Chaotix
16. DaveShack

[Montmorency]

Makes sense. Cahoma wasn't a smart choice, however.

Drumstick? "This old man, he played..."

[Seon]

Vote: hero di classico

The broken drumstick is a reference to the Music Mafia in which he played Phil Collins, a mafioso drummer who murdered people by beating them up with drumsticks. As this is an obscure reference, it is highly likely to be a True Clue.

[Montmorency]

What about those drumstick kills in A Country for Old Men?

[Ishmael]

I think only the first kill (just for flavour, not of a player) in A Country for Old Men was a drumstick. As to the pirate ship in a bottle, it could be referring to Captain Blackadder or landlubber, but those both seem a bit too obvious. WIFOM ahoy!

A question for our host: did the mafiosi submit the clues with those phrases bolded, or did you do that yourself and the rest is just flavour?

EDIT: And I just noticed this. Yikes

You may vote for up to THREE different people.

[Arjos]

The only thing I could think about is the pirate ship with Captain, but with Blackadder feels "overthought"...
The drumstick and octopus note sounds as a silly clue to me, but meh :D

[Ishmael]

Another random thought - note is made of the fact that the bottle is 'cracked '= crack (cocaine) = skooma (okay, a little flimsy)? I recall when looking through the game over at CFC that the overt clues for the mafia tended to be irrelevant, whilst the minor, easily overlooked details were the actual clues.

[Arjos]

Vote: Skooma Addict

For skooma bottles in elder scrolls, where u can get them at the dirty shack known as Skooma Den...

This is the only I could reasonably link so far...

[Arjos]

Forgot to add that the Skooma is illegal, so that explains the pirate inside, as for smuggling or something...

[Ishmael]

vote: hero di classico because of Seon's reasoning

vote: Skooma Addict because of Arjos'/my reasoning

[classical_hero]

I think that both clues are false. The clue of the person who killed Monty, was meant to be a frame of Cahoma, since he is now known as Pirate Cahoma over at TWC. So therefore all my three votes are gong to be random. And the third person did not show up. But normally that would mean a true clue is done.
Vote:ATPG
vote:Cecil XIX
vote:landlubber

[DaveShack]

Does Verarde from CFC play here under a different name?

[Arjos]

was meant to be a frame of Cahoma, since he is now known as Pirate Cahoma over at TWC.

What's the point of coming up with a false clue to frame someone, who is getting killed the same night?

FoS: hero di classico

[Askthepizzaguy]

I think that both clues are false. The clue of the person who killed Monty, was meant to be a frame of Cahoma, since he is now known as Pirate Cahoma over at TWC. So therefore all my three votes are gong to be random. And the third person did not show up. But normally that would mean a true clue is done.
Vote:ATPG
vote:Cecil XIX
vote:landlubber

Vote: Hero di classico
Vote: Cecil XIX
vote: landlubber

Why would anyone pay any attention to the clues this early? This is essentially a vanilla game until you can figure out which clues are true or false.

Random is best. But I'll copy and OMGUS my hero.

[Ishmael]

Why would anyone pay any attention to the clues this early? This is essentially a vanilla game until you can figure out which clues are true or false.

I work on the assumption that if a clue seems fairly subtle, then it's more likely to be a true clue. Yes, there's a level of WIFOM involved, and yes, you can overthink it, but it's still better then nothing.

[Skooma Addict]

Too tired to come up with the obligatory silly reasoning. Just random.

Vote: JHT
Vote: Captain Blackadder
Vote: DaveShack

[Askthepizzaguy]

I work on the assumption that if a clue seems fairly subtle, then it's more likely to be a true clue. Yes, there's a level of WIFOM involved, and yes, you can overthink it, but it's still better then nothing.

Ugh, this reminds me of vanilla games where people tried to analyze the writeups for writing style, then of course people would mask their styles, and people would point fingers based on obviously false data fed to us by the mafia.

Relying on information that comes from the imagination of a liar is unwise to me; ignoring it and voting randomly or based on who seems to be trying to use that "information" to get people lynched would seem more sensible to me.

When you can deduce that some things stated must be lies, and others must be truths, then it becomes usable data. Right now it feels like random gibberish, and that's nothing to base a case off of. Better than nothing? My position is that it is precisely nothing, on round one. On round two, you can at least choose from two likely scenarios; on round one it is meaningless.

That said, i've played 1 or 2 clue games in my mafia career; my approach could be naive but it feels more sensible to me.

[Montmorency]

Statistically, random lynches work best. I guess that's not as entertaining as Day 1 wagons.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Statistically, random lynches work best. I guess that's not as entertaining as Day 1 wagons.

The real problem with random lynches is that for the mafia, they aren't random; they'll 'randomly' choose some townie but usually not a mafioso. And townies have trouble rallying around a single correct random vote versus several incorrect random votes. No reasoning, usually no wagoning.

A random bandwagon, if it were truly random, would be unstoppable and devastating to the mafia if it hits them. Otherwise it just wastes time, a life, and gives cover to the scums.

Better might be to pick a few "random" votes and see who is actually willing to follow through with killing their supposed targets. If the mafia are willing to lynch their partner, great. Less scums to have to deal with. If the mafia aren't willing, we get to see who flinches.

Pressure is the best method of scum-catching I've seen, threaten them with death at all times and you can either make them stress out over their chances of survival, or you might provoke them into sparing their partner, or you might cause a correct death by mistake. In that case, random is good because you might catch a scum who is doing a good job looking normal. Random is bad if it has no teeth or it has too many competing randoms.