Buffy Mafia 2: A Slayer's Work Game Thread [Concluded]

[Arjos]

Kage was roleblocked? Well that's a no brainer:

Vote: Kagemusha

[Askthepizzaguy]

Blah,blah and blah. hypothetical accusations based on nothing.

Not nothing, a deceptively small amount of very very telling data.

You just can't stand the fact that those tiny tells keep bringing you down, and I'm the one that keeps seeing them.

First, you diminish what I've said, as briefly as you can, then change the subject:

Similar to your pleas for death.

Your defense is to try to control the discussion by making this about me again. Because I'm just such a tempting topic of discussion and I'm acting strange and I did something that doesn't seem very townie and I'm claiming to be neutral and so forth, obviously people want to talk about me because I look bad, and Kagemusha looks less bad.

What you're doing is one of the most classic scumtells of them all, which is try to make your opponent look bad, and do your best to look less bad than them. Talk less, say things succinctly, focus on them and their weirdness, and by all means take advantage of an open easy target.

You've fallen for the same classic Askthepizzaguy trap, and I'm afraid you're squirming again. I only respond by gripping tighter, Kagemusha.

Hollow words my firiend. If you would really want to die.You would just accept that faith and wel..die.

Yes, this is the advice a townie would give me here. You're not interested in using whatever powers I might have against the mafia, or gaining what information I possess. You have one goal today which is to cause someone's death, and man, wouldn't it be great if it were Askthepizzaguy? He's always been a pain in your neck whenever you're guilty.

Your instant attack towards me at first opportunity just shows that it was never your intention to die at first place, but just to use wifom in order to get rid of the bandwagon forming against you.

Dear Askthepizzaguy

I'm voting for you because you want to live, even if you're being coy about it.

Sincerely, the Mafia.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Pizza, you have to stop doing this.

I don't have to stop, you have to stop me!

[Montmorency]

Yes, my lord.

Vote: Kagemusha

[Askthepizzaguy]

Kagemusha, why does a townie reveal that they've been roleblocked, and that they want the roleblocker to contact them?

Why does a townie want to vote for someone who is asking to die?

Why does a townie want to convince others to just roll over and get lynched?

What role does this particular townie have that just got roleblocked?

Well, I can answer you this much: You're not the vigilante, you're not the protector role, and you're not the roleblocker.

Given that I'm one of the investigators, what does that make you?

My guess is cult recruiter or scanner. Even better than taking out a murdering demon is taking down the head whatever you are. Convince us you're not him.

[Lewwyn]

Well, I can answer you this much: You're not the vigilante, you're not the protector role, and you're not the roleblocker.

Given that I'm one of the investigators, what does that make you?

You realize there can be more than one vig, protector or role blocker? I'm betting that most of these roles have been repeated on both sides. Really interesting that last night 2 people died and one of them seems to have been a vampire which I'm guessing is scum. You even say yourself, "I'm one of the investigators" So you know there's multiple roles and yet you specifically say the vig, the protector, the roleblocker. In essence you are trying to build a case against Kagemusha who is obviously a villager making a mistake. Honestly in these games we lynch people who make mistakes and more often then not the villagers are the ones who make the mistakes because they aren't trying to be as careful.

Also, ATPG are you you suggesting that A) you're corruptible so we should lynch you, or B) we should keep you alive because you are an investigator?

If you are corruptible isn't telling everyone in thread a great way to let scum know that they can corrupt you? In essence you want to be corrupted? If not you probably shouldn't have said that in thread. Now we HAVE to kill you because you've let the scum know that you are corruptible.

[Captain Blackadder]

Kage what's your childhood trauma? Why so defensive. You seem really defensive from what was not a lot of pressure and it is only day two

Vote: Kage

[Kagemusha]

Not nothing, a deceptively small amount of very very telling data.

You just can't stand the fact that those tiny tells keep bringing you down, and I'm the one that keeps seeing them.

First, you diminish what I've said, as briefly as you can, then change the subject:



Your defense is to try to control the discussion by making this about me again. Because I'm just such a tempting topic of discussion and I'm acting strange and I did something that doesn't seem very townie and I'm claiming to be neutral and so forth, obviously people want to talk about me because I look bad, and Kagemusha looks less bad.

What you're doing is one of the most classic scumtells of them all, which is try to make your opponent look bad, and do your best to look less bad than them. Talk less, say things succinctly, focus on them and their weirdness, and by all means take advantage of an open easy target.

You've fallen for the same classic Askthepizzaguy trap, and I'm afraid you're squirming again. I only respond by gripping tighter, Kagemusha.



Yes, this is the advice a townie would give me here. You're not interested in using whatever powers I might have against the mafia, or gaining what information I possess. You have one goal today which is to cause someone's death, and man, wouldn't it be great if it were Askthepizzaguy? He's always been a pain in your neck whenever you're guilty.



Dear Askthepizzaguy

I'm voting for you because you want to live, even if you're being coy about it.

Sincerely, the Mafia.

You are completely and utterly wrong here. Do not turn this into my defence.This is about your behaviour. I have played with you long enough.That i have understood that you are starting to gain a hybris in these games. No matter what you do.You twist and turn enough so it becomes logical to yourself and then you sell it to others, who are willing to let you think on their behalf.

I had little illusions if voting you would result into you picking it up for your own defense.Which tells me only about the fact that your whole talk about wanting to be lynched was just big pile of nonsense. If you think lying about what you actually want to be done is not scummy behaviour.I do not know what is. I hope atleast the town will lynch you when you are shown to be completely wrong about me.

To be put it short:

A) You were lying to the town that you wanted to be lynched.
b) You crasped the first opportunity to turn the tide against someone else.
C) Now you think i should start making a case to defend myself against your nonsense, so the focus would turn into me, not you.

Conclusion you are scum and busted.If it gets me lynched to prove that.That is not any kind of problem to me.

[Lewwyn]

This is about your behaviour. I have played with you long enough.That i have understood that you are starting to gain a hybris in these games. No matter what you do.You twist and turn enough so it becomes logical to yourself and then you sell it to others, who are willing to let you think on their behalf.

Quoted for truth, Although its spelled 'hubris'. Which is doubly true.

Seriously folks, I know it early, but Pizza has already been busted. This is not about Capo. This is not "woe is me". This is ATPG voting for himself, telling everyone to vote for him, then telling everyone not to vote for him, telling everyone he's corruptible, then telling everyone he's an investigator and they should lynch who he says to lynch.

[edse]

Vote:Lewwyn From what I have read so far.

[Riedquat]

Where can I get the resumed version of all this blah blah thing between Atpg and Kage?

Montmorency, Lewwyn responses don't seems so off to me, except this very last post^^

[Montmorency]

Just noting similarities between how he sounds now, and when he was scum.

Pizza, long story short, is back to his usual antics. He has claimed corruptible neutral investigator. He thinks Kagemusha is scum for obvious Pizza reasons.

What I think is this: lynch Kagemusha, following his logic, and if Kagemusha is not certified Grade-A scumbag, sell 'im down the river.

[Kagemusha]

Just noting similarities between how he sounds now, and when he was scum.

Pizza, long story short, is back to his usual antics. He has claimed corruptible neutral investigator. He thinks Kagemusha is scum for obvious Pizza reasons.

What I think is this: lynch Kagemusha, following his logic, and if Kagemusha is not certified Grade-A scumbag, sell 'im down the river.

Sounds like a plan.While i would prefer if we would lynch Pizza and next you, but i really dont mind your plan either. Just remember to stick with it.You have flip flopped quite enough this round already to raise eyebrows.

[Montmorency]

Sorry friend, but there's no going against Pizza. No hard feelings over my weakness, k?

[Kagemusha]

Sorry friend, but there's no going against Pizza. No hard feelings over my weakness, k?

So are you going to stick with your plan or not? Once im proven not scum.Will you embark on mission to hunt him down and lynch him, like the scum he is?

[Montmorency]

With the board as my witness.

[Kagemusha]

With the board as my witness.

Allright.I will remember that.

[Riedquat]

Just noting similarities between how he sounds now, and when he was scum.

Pizza, long story short, is back to his usual antics. He has claimed corruptible neutral investigator. He thinks Kagemusha is scum for obvious Pizza reasons.

What I think is this: lynch Kagemusha, following his logic, and if Kagemusha is not certified Grade-A scumbag, sell 'im down the river.

Thanks!

After a second read, I need to FoS Lewwyn too... if Kage results to be scum we know who follows in the line

[Lewwyn]

I honestly think this is a mistake. Kage is reading all villager all day here. As an active villager he's a great lynch target for scum.

First take into account his larger above post and then these two following posts:

Sounds like a plan.While i would prefer if we would lynch Pizza and next you, but i really dont mind your plan either. Just remember to stick with it.You have flip flopped quite enough this round already to raise eyebrows.

So are you going to stick with your plan or not? Once im proven not scum.Will you embark on mission to hunt him down and lynch him, like the scum he is?

Scum would simply not react this way, IMO

And Montemorency:

Just noting similarities between how he sounds now, and when he was scum.

Pizza, long story short, is back to his usual antics. He has claimed corruptible neutral investigator. He thinks Kagemusha is scum for obvious Pizza reasons.

What I think is this: lynch Kagemusha, following his logic, and if Kagemusha is not certified Grade-A scumbag, sell 'im down the river.

Incredibly weak. You're juts going to let Pizza push us down the river? You're plan is to chain lynch based on what someone who obviously doesn't care about the village says? Oh that's right:

Sorry friend, but there's no going against Pizza. No hard feelings over my weakness, k?

You're just a fanboi.

[Montmorency]

No, if Pizza is discredited, then he goes down the river. Unless he already controls the lynch by tomorrow.

As for Kagemusha: could be foolish town, could be scum. I'm not willing to give the champion of Mafia X and Daggers in the Night too much benefit of the doubt, though. Or he could be just town, and Pizza may have blown a joke post out of proportion because Pizza is as Pizza does.

You're just a fanboi.

Jawohl mein herr, ich bin Pizzen roboter.

[BSmith]

Given that I'm one of the investigators...

So tell us - who did you investigate last night and what was the result?

[Riedquat]

What I feel odd is, well... if Kage is actually scum he knows better than asking is thread about his blocker...

So tell us - who did you investigate last night and what was the result?

Sorry... What? The only way I want to know who he scanned is if he got a vampire/demon/thing ...

UnFoS: Lewwyn, FoS: BSmith

[thefluffyone93]

Yeah ok.....so....
If I die, I want a Skyrim reference in my death!

Also....

Vote: Daveshack

Your shack violates the law.
Pay the court a fine or serve your sentence.

Scum.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I honestly think this is a mistake. Kage is reading all villager all day here. As an active villager he's a great lynch target for scum.

Okay, I was all set to say Lewwyn was a townie, and that he's just trying to stop the fanbois from letting me control the game. You read townie up to now.

This line, including the word "honestly" and "reading villager" just throws me. Maybe you have a different phraseology than I'm used to but I note that scums tend to use the word honestly, because subconsciously, they're thinking "everything else I say is a lie or omission, but listen to me now! I'm totally cereal!".

Secondly, Kagemusha isn't reading townie here. He's not reading anything much of anything yet, but since he's on the chopping block and has already admitted he's a power role, why has he abstained from saying which one?

Your defense of him is a bit desperate, which makes me believe one of two things: you're scum together, or you're masons together. You have a special interest in Kagemusha.

You want to stop this assault on Kagemusha you'd better spill it, and also back off of me because I already roleclaimed. There's nothing further to be gained from pressuring me. I also openly declared neutral and told people to stop revealing to me because of the inherent risks.

If you really think I'm scum here, you gotta get your 'dar cleaned.

[Askthepizzaguy]

but i really dont mind your plan either.

You have an unfortunate habit of saying the exact opposite thing that you really mean whenever you're scum.

I think it could be the language barrier, I'm not sure; I don't think it's solely that. I just think that sometimes your bluffs are not as subtle as they could be. I remember my assault on you in Animus where you simply said that you don't mind the attention I was giving you and you wondered why I was so focused on just you. If I invert whatever you say, when you're a scumbag, it's more revealing than if I were to do the same tactic on, say, Andres. I note that other mafia players will reveal less information than you do if you try to deconstruct what they're saying. They end up misdirecting and leaving less of a paper trail.

You do mind this plan, you mind it very much. You're a claimed power role. Your death here ticks you off quite frankly, and you're trying to avoid it by proposing alternatives and acting as cool as possible. But acting cool is not your strong suit. If I know you Kagemusha, this is Kagemusha in 4-alarm panic mode.


What. Role. Are. You.

[BSmith]

Sorry... What? The only way I want to know who he scanned is if he got a vampire/demon/thing ...

UnFoS: Lewwyn, FoS: BSmith

I’m just trying to triangulate some of ATPG’s claims. How do we know if he really is an investigator? Just take is word for it?

He doesn’t have to make it public, but I’d like for us to start testing some of the claims in thread instead of just blindly following.

[thefluffyone93]

What. Role. Are. You.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

[Askthepizzaguy]

He doesn’t have to make it public, but I’d like for us to start testing some of the claims in thread instead of just blindly following.

How else do you propose to test it?

Fine, I'll tell you what. I'll inform the person I just scanned last night what I learned about them. And they can step forward and say if it is true or not.

Then, if I'm mafia, you've just got my partner revealed.

Obytheway, if I'm mafia, I should have been scanned already as such. You know, with the metagamers and all that.

Scan me tonight. I don't mind, I should be dead already but someone or someones was or were nice enough to protect me figuring someone else would be silly enough to attack me N1. Bravo to that guy/those guys.

[BSmith]

Fine, I'll tell you what. I'll inform the person I just scanned last night what I learned about them. And they can step forward and say if it is true or not.

Then, if I'm mafia, you've just got my partner revealed.

Having your target verify your claim would be better than nothing.

[Askthepizzaguy]

As you might be able to tell, I'm not a simple guilt-innocence scanner.

There's going to be more to the game than that, and I learn different kinds of info.