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    Quote Originally Posted by Lemur View Post
    I seem to recall specials ops gone wrong having some impact in the past. Perhaps you're right and now would be different. But I shudder to think of the heyday Rushbo and the conservative media complex would have if Obama got a bunch of SEALS killed on a bum tip. Safe to say in that scenario the entire operation would have been a product of his fevered Alinskyite brain. But since it worked? Clearly he had nothing to do with it and/or it was so blindingly obvious a special needs child would have done the same. (Alternate: It could have been even better but OBOMBER screwed it up somehow, according ot our super-secret source. He deliberately allowed that stealth Blackhawk to crash so as to give the Chinese our tech, because he is a mulsin communist.)
    It wasn't a tough decision with a lot of downside, especially compared to the downside for passing up on it. "perhaps panzer is right" yes I think so.

    Because they were so on-the-fence before hand. These are largely the same people who believe that this administration's lack of movement on gun control is all part of a chilling Freemason scheme to take their guns away. Nah, I suspect those who turn purple with rage from this web ad are not the "persuadables."
    Most people give him a big thumbs up for it, but people are naturally put off when politicians try to sell their accomplishments too much.

    Based on Obama's response to Team Romney's fit of apoplexy, I suspect this is a classic rope-a-dope. Obama's great political talent always has been inducing self-destruction in his opponents.
    "Even Jimmy Carter would have given that order,” Mr. Romney told reporters at a campaign stop here on Monday...“Over these last several days, we’ve seen our president go across the country and bring up all sorts of extraneous items, everything he can do to distract from the issue people care about,” Mr. Romney told the crowd. “I wish the president would start talking about the economy and stop trying to divert with all this silliness.”

    Is this what you meant by fit of apoplexy or some other quote (I assume). Obama's ad dishonestly smears romney. I wouldn't praise that. Obama's follow up "I assume people mean what they say" was pretty bad too.

    I see another quote now, something about "feckless foreign policy". Good word but it seems pretty standard.

    As for Corn, sorry for referencing, had no idea he was such a partisan hack. And SK, thanks for the gratuitous Tu Quoque of the screeching WMD-style article. Yay, two wrongs do make an omelet!
    I have a dailymail article somewhere too, it's pretty nice. I had a pretty good idea the guy was a hack from reading the article but man just don't praise stuff just because it's detailed.

    Quote Originally Posted by Major Robert Dump View Post
    Of course there were a lot of downsides. He is a Democrat. GWB can take us into a retarded, pointless war in Iraq thatcosts vast amounts of lives and money, and it's all good now. Meanwhile, 30 years later, I get to hear about Jimmy Carter's failed Iranian rescue mission everytime a "democrats suck at military stuff" debate comes up. It even happens on this board quite regulalry.

    So yeah, it was a tough decision, because if Iraq had been started by a Democrat he would have been crucified 10x over now, and Obama certainly didn't want to become the butt of Republican jokes for the next 30 years because he didn't bring an extra helicopter.
    I'm not so sure about this. I remember another story about a raid in somalia. Presumably this kind of thing is done frequently and we're better at it than we wore. Times have changed. Bush was pretty harshly criticized and was mocked endlessly for the "mission accomplished" stuff. I would also think carter was unpopular for other stuff but I don't know the history for that era really. Way before my time.

    I think obama should go for a broader focus and talk about what he's done with the drone strikes etc in combating terrorism on the whole, he would look much better. Especially since the context of the romney quote was about taking the problem as a whole and that was part of romney's response to the ad. Although the drone strikes are unpopular with some people I guess.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lemur View Post
    Meanwhile, Team Romney continues to score goals on the wrong side of the field. Were all of you aware that the GM and Chrysler bailout were, in fact, exactly what Romney wanted? That President Obama was actually following Romney's advice?

    One of Mitt Romney's top advisers said Saturday that President Obama's decision to bailout Chrysler and General Motors was actually Romney's idea.

    "[Romney's] position on the bailout was exactly what President Obama followed. I know it infuriates them to hear that," Eric Fehrnstrom, senior adviser to the Romney campaign, said.

    "The only economic success that President Obama has had is because he followed Mitt Romney's advice."

    The claim appears to be a shift from Mitt Romney's November 2008 op-ed in The New York Times, headlined, Let Detroit go bankrupt. [...]

    But during the primary campaign, Romney repeatedly attacked Obama for lending billions of dollars in government money to the auto companies.

    In a February op-ed in The Detroit News, Romney called Obama's auto bailout “crony capitalism on a grand scale.”

    “The president tells us that without his intervention things in Detroit would be worse,” Romney wrote. “I believe that without his intervention things there would be better.”

    Huh, I went and read both the romney articles

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/19/op.../1x13HjVAzFRSg
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...ut-mitt-romney

    And I don't really get the fuss. Perhaps the media is a little latched on to it's flip flopping romney story. Romney has serious criticisms of the way obama handled it, and there are significant similarities between his suggestion and what was actually done. I don't get economics but neither do political journalists as far as I can tell. If there's a problem it seems like it would have to do with romney being wrong about economics not some lightweight story about contradicting himself and claiming credit.

    I tried to find the context for the Fehrnstrom quote but the video won't load, seems like it's from some press conference where they were talking about pranks and slow jamming the news and "the lighter side", so it seems silly to be so particular about the wording.

    Quote Originally Posted by MRD
    I dont follow your question.

    Had the raid failed it would be a campaign sticking point of the right, much like what we still hear about Carter, despite there being a far worse military blunder started since Carters failure, that being Iraq, which we have already brushed under the rug because that campaign was not started by democrat
    I remember bush getting hammered about that around the 2008 election and McCain working really hard to distance himself and obama working hard to connect him to it. I don't think it was brushed under the rug at all.
    Last edited by Sasaki Kojiro; 05-01-2012 at 03:37.

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