The Elephant in the room.

[InsaneApache]

Earlier this week a gang of Asian men were locked up for raping underage girls. It seems that things were brought to light over four years ago but nothing was done. I wonder why? Now that there has been a trial and convictions there is a lot of handwringing from the liberal elites. Initially the whole process was kept quiet. I wonder why?

Still celebrate that diversity chaps. I sure the raped kids were more than happy to be part of a vibrant culture.

As Louis used to say, in victimhood poker, racism beats sexism hands down. Everytime.

I just wonder why?

[Fragony]

Asians are introvert silent guys who are good at maths, Starcraft and frying shrimps. What you English call Asians are Pakistani's and they aren't really good at anything except growing impressive beards and holding weird signs. Sometimes they drive taxi's but most live on welfare.

[ICantSpellDawg]

Asians are introvert silent guys who are good at maths and Starcraft and frying shrimps. What you English call Asians are Pakistani's and they aren't really good at anything except growing impressive beards and holding weird signs. Sometimes they drive taxi's but most live on welfare.

Ugh, I don't like this but I laughed. Most Pakistani's I've met are great people, maybe the quality increases with distance from Pakistan, what do I know? Corruption when left unchecked and treated with impunity will metastasize; irrespective of the ethnic background of the "corruptees". It's my new word for the day, which I've invented.

[Fragony]

Ugh, I don't like this but I laughed. Most Pakistani's I've met are great people, maybe the quality increases with distance from Pakistan, what do I know? Corruption when left unchecked and treated with impunity will metastasize; irrespective of the ethnic background of the "corruptees". It's my new word for the day, which I've invented.

Very nice indeed

Only nineteen percent of Pakistanis have a negative view of Al Qaeda and by default the Taliban, whilst seventy-five percent wish to see Sharia law implemented. British-born Muslims make an estimated four hundred thousand trips a year to Pakistan, where as many as thirty threats against Britain are being monitored at any given time.
Thirty-three percent of Muslim students in Britain think killing in the name of Islam is permissible. Only thirty-seven percent oppose the introduction of Sharia law and only twenty-five percent oppose the creation of a worldwide Muslim caliphate.
MI5 believe there are up to four thousand potential terrorists and thirteen thousand Al Qaeda sympathisers living in Britain. The CIA devotes an astonishing forty percent of their anti-terrorist homeland security operations against suspects not in Afghanistan or Waziristan, but in Britain itself — a country described by one CIA operative as “a swamp of Jihadis.”
Barack Obama’s counter-terrorist advisor Bruce Riedel recently stated: “The British Pakistani community is recognised as probably Al Qaeda’s best mechanism for launching an attack against North America.”

Feel free to dispute any of this

[Greyblades]

twenty-five percent oppose the creation of a worldwide Muslim caliphate.

Meh, this bit's abit less impactful, I'm sure you would find the same statistics if you asked any group if they oppose the idea of thier religion or country taking over the world. I dont dispute the rest though.

[Andres]

Only nineteen percent of Pakistanis have a negative view of Al Qaeda and by default the Taliban, whilst seventy-five percent wish to see Sharia law implemented. British-born Muslims make an estimated four hundred thousand trips a year to Pakistan, where as many as thirty threats against Britain are being monitored at any given time.
Thirty-three percent of Muslim students in Britain think killing in the name of Islam is permissible. Only thirty-seven percent oppose the introduction of Sharia law and only twenty-five percent oppose the creation of a worldwide Muslim caliphate.

When I googled that statement, I found some "British nationalists" site and some site called "angry white dude". But no source for those figures. What is the original source of those statistics, please?

[Fragony]

When I googled that statement, I found some "British nationalists" site and some site called "angry white dude". But no source for those figures. What is the original source of those statistics, please?

Daily Telegraph that one

[Fragony]

Meh, this bit's abit less impactful, I'm sure you would find the same statistics if you asked any group if they oppose the idea of thier religion or country taking over the world. I dont dispute the rest though.

The rest is more than enough imho, islam is a cancer.

[Vladimir]

The rest is more than enough imho, islam is a cancer.

Than cut it out: http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2012...tal-war-islam/

[Greyblades]

Daily Telegraph that one

...The daily Telegraph has a reputation of being biased against damn near everyone.

[Vladimir]

...The daily Telegraph has a reputation of being biased against damn near everyone.

That means they're the only ones you can trust.

[Fragony]

...The daily Telegraph has a reputation of being biased against damn near everyone.

Good company than, but these figures come from you own governement. Yes it's that bad.

In America it isn't any different dear american posters, what is real here is real with you as well. Even Sweden doesn't have it dispite being oh so very flexible.

[Idaho]

Unfortunately the sexual exploitation of young poor women and girls is common place around the world. In some cities in England it seems to be a group of men of Pakistani origin who are doing this. In other parts of the country, and the world, other groups exploit young women similarly. Albanian sex traffickers are a major problem in much of Europe. I dare say that if you were to examine the sex trade in South East Asia, you would see a majority of 40-60 year old European, American and Australian men paying for the sexual services of young girls.

Of course it's important to target the groups who do this in each context. However I think there are several elephants in several rooms.

[Fragony]

Unfortunately the sexual exploitation of young poor women and girls is common place around the world. In some cities in England it seems to be a group of men of Pakistani origin who are doing this. In other parts of the country, and the world, other groups exploit young women similarly. Albanian sex traffickers are a major problem in much of Europe. I dare say that if you were to examine the sex trade in South East Asia, you would see a majority of 40-60 year old European, American and Australian men paying for the sexual services of young girls.

Of course it's important to target the groups who do this in each context. However I think there are several elephants in several rooms.

Well at least we agree on it being men of Pakistani origin..... Well let's skip that

[Kralizec]

Earlier this week a gang of Asian men were locked up for raping underage girls. It seems that things were brought to light over four years ago but nothing was done. I wonder why? Now that there has been a trial and convictions there is a lot of handwringing from the liberal elites. Initially the whole process was kept quiet. I wonder why?

Still celebrate that diversity chaps. I sure the raped kids were more than happy to be part of a vibrant culture.

As Louis used to say, in victimhood poker, racism beats sexism hands down. Everytime.

I just wonder why?

I realize that this isn't a problem for Fragony, but for some of us it's difficult to comment on a situation like this when we don't know anything about it. Link?

[Fragony]

I realize that this isn't a problem for Fragony, but for some of us it's difficult to comment on a situation like this when we don't know anything about it. Link?

Awwwwwwww I got plenty of links I just stopped bothering posting them.

Wanting them = getting them

[Rhyfelwyr]

Here is a link

8 of the men were Pakistani and one an Afghan.

They target white girls because they see them as sluts and don't value anybody outside their own community.

Religion of peace.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

I realize that this isn't a problem for Fragony, but for some of us it's difficult to comment on a situation like this when we don't know anything about it. Link?

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/to...al-blind-spot/

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...ace-issue.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...ed-to-act.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...ng-racist.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...e-abusers.html

The salient points are these:

1. The abuse was know about for 4-10 years (reports vary) but the Police failed to act.

2. There appears to be a sub-culture of Pakistani Muslim men who prey on white girls, but not girls from their communities.

The general consensus appears to be that the Police exercised "positive racism" in not investigating and the men convicted were racists because they assume all white girls are sluts.

[Fragony]

Here is a link

8 of the men were Pakistani and one an Afghan.

They target white girls because they see them as sluts and don't value anybody outside their own community.

Religion of peace.

Ohnoes, that simply cannot be

Not so streetwise Krazilec

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Did they "fail to act" or were they gathering enough evidence to actually convict?

[Beskar]

They target white girls because they see them as sluts and don't value anybody outside their own community.

Religion of peace.

Gary Glitter thought the same about Vietnamese girls.

A minority =/= the majority.

Did they "fail to act" or were they gathering enough evidence to actually convict?

The issue is an old one, was in the press over a year ago.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...shire-12141603

[Greyblades]

Gary Glitter thought the same about Vietnamese girls.

We must be the Nation of Peace.

I dont think that retort really works, some islamics say thiers is a religion of peace, yet I dont think anyone claims Britain is the Nation of peace.

Ah, I see you've edited it out.

[Fragony]

Gary Glitter thought the same about Vietnamese girls.

A minority =/= the majority.

You must be from that special place called not here. You can not walk with your GF in an area where culture has been enriched without any musings about her profession, and it isn't assumed that she has a degree in arts from the antiquity.

[Beskar]

Ah, I see you've edited it out.

Stupid comment on my part. Regardless, the thing with these articles is that they take a very small subsection of a far greater population and insinuate that all "muslims" are bad because of the actions of a minority. This applies to other minority groupings across the world such as the "blacks" in America.

The opening post suggests the "left" is knickers in a twist because it is an minority, if anything the "left" are facepalming about the fact there are multiple sex slaving rings operated by British Nations but if you stick a 'Muslim' in there, all hell breaks loose on the "Right".

Idaho has got it right. This thing happens all over the world and it is bad and should be tackled at every step, but really... "Muslim did something wrong?! Let's accuse the actions of a group of men to an entire population of a billion" is just a step too far.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Stupid comment on my part. Regardless, the thing with these articles is that they take a very small subsection of a far greater population and insinuate that all "muslims" are bad because of the actions of a minority. This applies to other minority groupings across the world such as the "blacks" in America.

The opening post suggests the "left" is knickers in a twist because it is an minority, if anything the "left" are facepalming about the fact there are multiple sex slaving rings operated by British Nations but if you stick a 'Muslim' in there, all hell breaks loose on the "Right".

Idaho has got it right. This thing happens all over the world and it is bad and should be tackled at every step, but really... "Muslim did something wrong?! Let's accuse the actions of a group of men to an entire population of a billion" is just a step too far.

What you say may not be wrong, but the issue at hand which concerns those of us who might have white daughters/have white sisters is that we have a particular problem with Pakistani men in Britian.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/ma...n-men-barnados

So... it's an issue, that the Left is trying to talk away by saying, "In Eastern Europe..." In much of Eastern Europe people live in such poverty they sell their own daughters to pimps, but not in the UK. This wasn't the sex trade - this was a gang of predators from one ethnic group targeting another ethnic group.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

The issue is an old one, was in the press over a year ago.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...shire-12141603

hmm, they should be more up front about the statistics rather than falling over themselves to talk about not stereotyping a whole community and how girls of all races are targetted. Parents having accurate information about what the threat to their daughters is is more important than some politicians anxiety about whether people will stereotype.

Stupid comment on my part. Regardless, the thing with these articles is that they take a very small subsection of a far greater population and insinuate that all "muslims" are bad because of the actions of a minority. This applies to other minority groupings across the world such as the "blacks" in America.

The opening post suggests the "left" is knickers in a twist because it is an minority, if anything the "left" are facepalming about the fact there are multiple sex slaving rings operated by British Nations but if you stick a 'Muslim' in there, all hell breaks loose on the "Right".

Idaho has got it right. This thing happens all over the world and it is bad and should be tackled at every step, but really... "Muslim did something wrong?! Let's accuse the actions of a group of men to an entire population of a billion" is just a step too far.

The outrage is over the (sketchy) allegations that the police didn't investigate because they were afraid of being accused of being racist. Their concern in this case should be entirely about the crime being committed, and yours should be as well, not hand wringing about how the "Right" will exaggerate it. Come to think of it, in any crime by a muslim there are going to be right wing people exaggerating it to all muslims, so we should just not report or tell parents about any of those crimes. Instead we should get right back to "tackling the problem at every step" whatever that means.

What you say may not be wrong, but the issue at hand which concerns those of us who might have white daughters/have white sisters is that we have a particular problem with Pakistani men in Britian.

So what? He'll never meet your sisters, what happens to them has no effect on him, but he will read headlines written by "right wingers" that "stereotype all muslims" and be annoyed. He just has his priorities set right surely.

[Beskar]

What you say may not be wrong, but the issue at hand which concerns those of us who might have white daughters/have white sisters is that we have a particular problem with Pakistani men in Britian.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/ma...n-men-barnados

So... it's an issue, that the Left is trying to talk away by saying, "In Eastern Europe..." In much of Eastern Europe people live in such poverty they sell their own daughters to pimps, but not in the UK. This wasn't the sex trade - this was a gang of predators from one ethnic group targeting another ethnic group.

Sure, if there is a current risk, then people need to be made aware that this happening. However, that doesn't mean the nice man from Pakistan who works in the local shop has a basement full of kidnapped white girls.

There is a clear difference between "being careful of acitivity x" and "all people are doing activity x, condemn them all!". That is the objection from my side. it is just totally wrong and vulgar. You wouldn't like it if some one ended up stereotyping you in such a way, and neither would I, simply because a minority group of British nations were doing the same in another country.

As it says in the Bible "Treat others as if you would like to be treated yourself", I believe you hold such a view and so do I.

The outrage is over the (sketchy) allegations that the police didn't investigate because they were afraid of being accused of being racist. Their concern in this case should be entirely about the crime being committed, and yours should be as well, not hand wringing about how the "Right" will exaggerate it. Come to think of it, in any crime by a muslim there are going to be right wing people exaggerating it to all muslims, so we should just not report or tell parents about any of those crimes. Instead we should get right back to "tackling the problem at every step" whatever that means.

Then that is what should be tackled, the failure of the action. However, the failure by one party doesn't give ground for widespread discrimination. Yes, the accused committed something terrible, people should have acted sooner. I don't think anyone would ever disagree on this point.

So what? He'll never meet your sisters, what happens to them has no effect on him, but he will read headlines written by "right wingers" that "stereotype all muslims" and be annoyed. He just has his priorities set right surely.

Yes, because clearly I would like to see harm to PVC's sisters, opposed to a reality where I hope such a thing would never happen to them, even though I have never met them, nor something I would ever wish to happen to anyone even people I might dislike.

[Ja'chyra]

I've read about this and it's one of the most disgusting things I've heard, the idea that the police let it go on, even on the grounds of building a case is just plain wrong, the overriding duty of any adult is to protect children. If my cousins had been put through this I would now be up for multiple murders, the very least they should get is chemical castration, if not castration performed by a drunk, blind alcoholic with a rusty knife.

There should also be an investigation into why the local community let this happen and if they approve of it, if so that society, whatever it's fundamental beliefs, should be torn down and the ground salted.

[Fragony]

Stupid comment on my part. Regardless, the thing with these articles is that they take a very small subsection of a far greater population and insinuate that all "muslims" are bad because of the actions of a minority. This applies to other minority groupings across the world such as the "blacks" in America.

The opening post suggests the "left" is knickers in a twist because it is an minority, if anything the "left" are facepalming about the fact there are multiple sex slaving rings operated by British Nations but if you stick a 'Muslim' in there, all hell breaks loose on the "Right".

Idaho has got it right. This thing happens all over the world and it is bad and should be tackled at every step, but really... "Muslim did something wrong?! Let's accuse the actions of a group of men to an entire population of a billion" is just a step too far.

It did? I don't remember it. It's rather new and lefties don't like it as people might just get some doubts about multiculture. That happened here as the police so scared about the mlticultural left (with good reason) that they simply didn't act. They could lose their job because things just aren't the way people from 100% white neighbourhoods say you got to say it is. Buy a ticket for the Marry Poppins musical ffs I heard it is pretty good if you like that kind of thing

[Vladimir]

Here is a link

8 of the men were Pakistani and one an Afghan.

They target white girls because they see them as sluts and don't value anybody outside their own community.

Religion of peace.

So the Swedish rapes made it to England then.