The Elephant in the room.

[Kralizec]

Earlier this week a gang of Asian men were locked up for raping underage girls. It seems that things were brought to light over four years ago but nothing was done. I wonder why? Now that there has been a trial and convictions there is a lot of handwringing from the liberal elites. Initially the whole process was kept quiet. I wonder why?

Still celebrate that diversity chaps. I sure the raped kids were more than happy to be part of a vibrant culture.

As Louis used to say, in victimhood poker, racism beats sexism hands down. Everytime.

I just wonder why?

I realize that this isn't a problem for Fragony, but for some of us it's difficult to comment on a situation like this when we don't know anything about it. Link?

[Fragony]

I realize that this isn't a problem for Fragony, but for some of us it's difficult to comment on a situation like this when we don't know anything about it. Link?

Awwwwwwww I got plenty of links I just stopped bothering posting them.

Wanting them = getting them

[Rhyfelwyr]

Here is a link

8 of the men were Pakistani and one an Afghan.

They target white girls because they see them as sluts and don't value anybody outside their own community.

Religion of peace.

[Fragony]

Here is a link

8 of the men were Pakistani and one an Afghan.

They target white girls because they see them as sluts and don't value anybody outside their own community.

Religion of peace.

Ohnoes, that simply cannot be

Not so streetwise Krazilec

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Did they "fail to act" or were they gathering enough evidence to actually convict?

[Beskar]

They target white girls because they see them as sluts and don't value anybody outside their own community.

Religion of peace.

Gary Glitter thought the same about Vietnamese girls.

A minority =/= the majority.

Did they "fail to act" or were they gathering enough evidence to actually convict?

The issue is an old one, was in the press over a year ago.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...shire-12141603

[Greyblades]

Gary Glitter thought the same about Vietnamese girls.

We must be the Nation of Peace.

I dont think that retort really works, some islamics say thiers is a religion of peace, yet I dont think anyone claims Britain is the Nation of peace.

Ah, I see you've edited it out.

[Beskar]

Ah, I see you've edited it out.

Stupid comment on my part. Regardless, the thing with these articles is that they take a very small subsection of a far greater population and insinuate that all "muslims" are bad because of the actions of a minority. This applies to other minority groupings across the world such as the "blacks" in America.

The opening post suggests the "left" is knickers in a twist because it is an minority, if anything the "left" are facepalming about the fact there are multiple sex slaving rings operated by British Nations but if you stick a 'Muslim' in there, all hell breaks loose on the "Right".

Idaho has got it right. This thing happens all over the world and it is bad and should be tackled at every step, but really... "Muslim did something wrong?! Let's accuse the actions of a group of men to an entire population of a billion" is just a step too far.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Stupid comment on my part. Regardless, the thing with these articles is that they take a very small subsection of a far greater population and insinuate that all "muslims" are bad because of the actions of a minority. This applies to other minority groupings across the world such as the "blacks" in America.

The opening post suggests the "left" is knickers in a twist because it is an minority, if anything the "left" are facepalming about the fact there are multiple sex slaving rings operated by British Nations but if you stick a 'Muslim' in there, all hell breaks loose on the "Right".

Idaho has got it right. This thing happens all over the world and it is bad and should be tackled at every step, but really... "Muslim did something wrong?! Let's accuse the actions of a group of men to an entire population of a billion" is just a step too far.

What you say may not be wrong, but the issue at hand which concerns those of us who might have white daughters/have white sisters is that we have a particular problem with Pakistani men in Britian.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/ma...n-men-barnados

So... it's an issue, that the Left is trying to talk away by saying, "In Eastern Europe..." In much of Eastern Europe people live in such poverty they sell their own daughters to pimps, but not in the UK. This wasn't the sex trade - this was a gang of predators from one ethnic group targeting another ethnic group.

[Fragony]

Stupid comment on my part. Regardless, the thing with these articles is that they take a very small subsection of a far greater population and insinuate that all "muslims" are bad because of the actions of a minority. This applies to other minority groupings across the world such as the "blacks" in America.

The opening post suggests the "left" is knickers in a twist because it is an minority, if anything the "left" are facepalming about the fact there are multiple sex slaving rings operated by British Nations but if you stick a 'Muslim' in there, all hell breaks loose on the "Right".

Idaho has got it right. This thing happens all over the world and it is bad and should be tackled at every step, but really... "Muslim did something wrong?! Let's accuse the actions of a group of men to an entire population of a billion" is just a step too far.

It did? I don't remember it. It's rather new and lefties don't like it as people might just get some doubts about multiculture. That happened here as the police so scared about the mlticultural left (with good reason) that they simply didn't act. They could lose their job because things just aren't the way people from 100% white neighbourhoods say you got to say it is. Buy a ticket for the Marry Poppins musical ffs I heard it is pretty good if you like that kind of thing

[Ja'chyra]

I've read about this and it's one of the most disgusting things I've heard, the idea that the police let it go on, even on the grounds of building a case is just plain wrong, the overriding duty of any adult is to protect children. If my cousins had been put through this I would now be up for multiple murders, the very least they should get is chemical castration, if not castration performed by a drunk, blind alcoholic with a rusty knife.

There should also be an investigation into why the local community let this happen and if they approve of it, if so that society, whatever it's fundamental beliefs, should be torn down and the ground salted.

[Fragony]

Gary Glitter thought the same about Vietnamese girls.

A minority =/= the majority.

You must be from that special place called not here. You can not walk with your GF in an area where culture has been enriched without any musings about her profession, and it isn't assumed that she has a degree in arts from the antiquity.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

The issue is an old one, was in the press over a year ago.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...shire-12141603

hmm, they should be more up front about the statistics rather than falling over themselves to talk about not stereotyping a whole community and how girls of all races are targetted. Parents having accurate information about what the threat to their daughters is is more important than some politicians anxiety about whether people will stereotype.

Stupid comment on my part. Regardless, the thing with these articles is that they take a very small subsection of a far greater population and insinuate that all "muslims" are bad because of the actions of a minority. This applies to other minority groupings across the world such as the "blacks" in America.

The opening post suggests the "left" is knickers in a twist because it is an minority, if anything the "left" are facepalming about the fact there are multiple sex slaving rings operated by British Nations but if you stick a 'Muslim' in there, all hell breaks loose on the "Right".

Idaho has got it right. This thing happens all over the world and it is bad and should be tackled at every step, but really... "Muslim did something wrong?! Let's accuse the actions of a group of men to an entire population of a billion" is just a step too far.

The outrage is over the (sketchy) allegations that the police didn't investigate because they were afraid of being accused of being racist. Their concern in this case should be entirely about the crime being committed, and yours should be as well, not hand wringing about how the "Right" will exaggerate it. Come to think of it, in any crime by a muslim there are going to be right wing people exaggerating it to all muslims, so we should just not report or tell parents about any of those crimes. Instead we should get right back to "tackling the problem at every step" whatever that means.

What you say may not be wrong, but the issue at hand which concerns those of us who might have white daughters/have white sisters is that we have a particular problem with Pakistani men in Britian.

So what? He'll never meet your sisters, what happens to them has no effect on him, but he will read headlines written by "right wingers" that "stereotype all muslims" and be annoyed. He just has his priorities set right surely.

[Vladimir]

Here is a link

8 of the men were Pakistani and one an Afghan.

They target white girls because they see them as sluts and don't value anybody outside their own community.

Religion of peace.

So the Swedish rapes made it to England then.

[Fragony]

So the Swedish rapes made it to England then.

Make no mistake about these rapes it is a huge problem there. You are saver in Africa as a blond hot chick.

[Vladimir]

Okay. It looks like productive conversation has come to an end.

[rory_20_uk]

In many parts of the world, you mess with the daughter and the Family / Clan will come and extract a blood debt. We don't do that sort of thing in the UK, we leave it to Social Services to ignore it, Police to not bother investigating and Politicians to brand all discussion implicit membership to the BNP.

Hence, it is a safe assumption that going after white girls is a safe course of action.

[rvg]

In many parts of the world, you mess with the daughter and the Family / Clan will come and extract a blood debt. We don't do that sort of thing in the UK, we leave it to Social Services to ignore it, Police to not bother investigating and Politicians to brand all discussion implicit membership to the BNP.

Hence, it is a safe assumption that going after white girls is a safe course of action.

Yes, looks like the British have become too civilized to defend themselves.

[HoreTore]

Pedo rings not restricted to just people of european descent?

Wow. That changes..... Well, nothing really.

And about the allegations that this was handled poorly because of the offenders ethnicity... Do I really have to point out that that allegation is completely unfounded and nothing more than the fantasy of one commentator? Since it reinforced existing prejudices, it hss persisted.

The fact of the case is that 9 men have been punished by the state for their crimes. They got no special treatment, in fact they got a harsher treatment because of their culture(ref verdict).

No doubt though, the fascist rethoric will continue and be as dishonest and ignorant as it always is.

[Viking]

As far as I can tell, no pedo stuff here.

[HoreTore]

As far as I can tell, no pedo stuff here.

I heard ages of 13-15... Am I wrong? If so, I change my statement to read "abuse ring", which also doesn't change anything.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Pedo rings not restricted to just people of european descent?

Wow. That changes..... Well, nothing really.

And about the allegations that this was handled poorly because of the offenders ethnicity... Do I really have to point out that that allegation is completely unfounded and nothing more than the fantasy of one commentator? Since it reinforced existing prejudices, it hss persisted.

The fact of the case is that 9 men have been punished by the state for their crimes. They got no special treatment, in fact they got a harsher treatment because of their culture(ref verdict).

No doubt though, the fascist rethoric will continue and be as dishonest and ignorant as it always is.

The fantasy of the local Pakistani PC?

What about the man from Bernado's who says Pakistani/Asian men are over-represented as abusers?

[Rhyfelwyr]

The comparisons being made between this case and that of other abuse rings simply don't cut it.

First off, the victims were targeted solely because of their racial profile. Eastern Europeans women may become trapped in prostitution rings because of their poverty. Vietnamese girls may be targeted by European men because they are able to get away with it in that country. In these cases the ethnic group of the victims is not the reason why they were targeted. What makes the case with these Pakistani men unique is that they targeted their victims purely because of their race.

Secondly, another reason why the comparison doesn't work is the relationship of the perpetrators with society. European men have to travel to Vietnam to find their victims because that sort of thing would never be tolerated by European society. Pedophiles are completley ostracised, vulnerable to vigilante-justice and generally regarded as the scum of the earth. On the other hand questions are being asked about whether the nature of the Pakistani community in Britain allowed these men to operate unhindered for so long.

Thirdly, there is the question over whether political motivitions had an impact on the ability of the police to do their job. This point is still really speculation but it's worth considering, especially given that we know the police had been aware for some time that this ring was active. I find it hard to believe this is par for the course when it comes to gathering evidence - effectively sacrificing more young girls so that they could make a stronger criminal conviction. Really?

[InsaneApache]

Pedo rings not restricted to just people of european descent?

Wow. That changes..... Well, nothing really.

And about the allegations that this was handled poorly because of the offenders ethnicity... Do I really have to point out that that allegation is completely unfounded *and nothing more than the fantasy of one commentator? Since it reinforced existing prejudices, it hss persisted.

The fact of the case is that 9 men have been punished by the state for their crimes. They got no special treatment, in fact they got a harsher treatment because of their culture(ref verdict).

No doubt though, the fascist rethoric will continue and be as dishonest and ignorant as it always is.

I wish I had a 'handringing' smilie.

*Not true and you effin know it.

[HoreTore]

I wish I had a 'handringing' smilie.

*Not true and you effin know it.

The perpotrators were caught by the police and sentenced by the courts. And they got additional sentencing because of their view on women.

Yes, what protection. So much for fascist paranoia.

[Kralizec]

And about the allegations that this was handled poorly because of the offenders ethnicity... Do I really have to point out that that allegation is completely unfounded and nothing more than the fantasy of one commentator?

I wish I had a 'handringing' smilie.

*Not true and you effin know it.

Like I've posted on page two, the only thing that suggests the police ignored the case because of their ethnic background is a former Labour MP making that accusation in the Telegraph- or at least, I've not found anything else. If there is actually any other evidence of it I'd certainly like to see it.

I take it you're basing all this on "common sense" as opposed to information, right?

[Shaka_Khan]

For a moment, I thought that the punishment for rape in a certain Asian country was to be locked up in a room with an elephant.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

I realize that this isn't a problem for Fragony, but for some of us it's difficult to comment on a situation like this when we don't know anything about it. Link?

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/to...al-blind-spot/

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...ace-issue.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...ed-to-act.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...ng-racist.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...e-abusers.html

The salient points are these:

1. The abuse was know about for 4-10 years (reports vary) but the Police failed to act.

2. There appears to be a sub-culture of Pakistani Muslim men who prey on white girls, but not girls from their communities.

The general consensus appears to be that the Police exercised "positive racism" in not investigating and the men convicted were racists because they assume all white girls are sluts.

[Kralizec]

The general consensus appears to be that the Police exercised "positive racism" in not investigating...

I only just read about this today, but the only thing I've come across so far that suggests this is a former Labour PM making that accusation.