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    Is it just me then that thinks it's a bit sinister to encourage children to split on their parents. Because that's what it is.

    As for the politicians lecturing us on the morals of paying your tax!

    I've obviously woken up in a parallel universe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by InsaneApache View Post
    I've obviously woken up in a parallel universe.
    Indeed you have, since what you have made of this case has nothing to do with the actual universe. The government is not asking school kids to snitch. Sorry to kill your buzz.
    Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban

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    One module, headlined “tax responsibilities of a good citizen”, aims to help teenagers “understand the obligations if being a good citizen and discuss what should happen to hose who are not prepared to work under such obligations”.

    One lesson plan – targeted at 14 to 16 year olds – requires students to “discuss whether it is good to pay the tax we do, considering the benefits we receive. If it is good, then why do people try not to pay?”

    It continues: “Show class the remaining factfile slides on tax evasion. What do students think of those who refuse to pay tax or try and defraud the benefits system?

    “Can they think of any example they may have heard of in their local area?”

    A further “plenary session” asks: “What do students now think about paying taxes? In what other ways can we contribute to working together for a better society?

    “What do students think about people who try to avoid paying taxes? Is it a victimless crime? What kind of penalties should such people be given when they are caught?”
    Hmmm I obviously mistaken then.
    There are times I wish they’d just ban everything- baccy and beer, burgers and bangers, and all the rest- once and for all. Instead, they creep forward one apparently tiny step at a time. It’s like being executed with a bacon slicer.

    “Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it whether it exists or not, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong remedy.”

    To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticise.

    "The purpose of a university education for Left / Liberals is to attain all the politically correct attitudes towards minorties, and the financial means to live as far away from them as possible."

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    Yes, that's an example of concretization, a standard tool in education.

    It would take a parallell universe to make that into "kids snitching on their parents on behalf of the tax authorities".
    Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban

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    Quote Originally Posted by HoreTore View Post
    Yes, that's an example of concretization, a standard tool in education.

    It would take a parallell universe to make that into "kids snitching on their parents on behalf of the tax authorities".
    Except it's nothing to do with education which falls under the DOE. This was issued by the HMRC which collects taxes. Is that a bit clearer for you now?
    There are times I wish they’d just ban everything- baccy and beer, burgers and bangers, and all the rest- once and for all. Instead, they creep forward one apparently tiny step at a time. It’s like being executed with a bacon slicer.

    “Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it whether it exists or not, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong remedy.”

    To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticise.

    "The purpose of a university education for Left / Liberals is to attain all the politically correct attitudes towards minorties, and the financial means to live as far away from them as possible."

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    Unless you are suggesting children should be expected to hide crimes their parents are committing, I'm still uncertian to the point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rory_20_uk View Post
    Unless you are suggesting children should be expected to hide crimes their parents are committing, I'm still uncertian to the point.

    Do you seriously expect a child to be able to detect a crime such as tax evasion? What the government will get out of this at best is a whole bunch of false alarms and lots of annoyed parents with clean reputation and good lawyers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by InsaneApache View Post
    Except it's nothing to do with education which falls under the DOE. This was issued by the HMRC which collects taxes. Is that a bit clearer for you now?
    Lots of organizations provide material for education. It's only natural that the tax authorities are among them, since taxation is in the curriculum in at least two subjects. Churches do it, banks do it, IT companies do it, everyone and their mom does it.

    While no teacher uses the material from start to finish, it is still of great help. It provides ideas, inspiration, examples, assignments, etc. Usually when I start planning how to teach a subject, I look through these looking for ideas as well as actual examples, which I then modify slightly or heavily so that it fits what I intend my students to learn.

    On the subjet of taxes, specifically tax evasion, a question like the one above is quite mandatory. Tax evasion can be a highly abstract subject, and students need to tie it down to something they already know in order to grasp it(this is a constructivist view of education, mind you). There are two ways to approach this. You can either start with the concrete and move to the abstract, or you can start with the abstract and move it to the concrete. The material you have come across does the latter. I don't really have a preference here, I think both work equally well and it depends more on what comes natural.

    Just before summer, I was teaching about the move from heavy industry to the current economy, and I did the opposite: I started by getting my students to identify some old buildings in my town(an office building, a stock exchange and an apartment complex), got them to find out what they used to be(a rubber factory, a stock exchange for timber and toll booth/dock warehouses) and had them figure out why they changed that way. Then we moved to the national level and finally looked at the international level. Worked great, if I may say so.
    Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban

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