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    My Messiah...
    Well, Im Jewish, but my religious beliefs are Agnostic. Israeli? No way, you hate Jews too much. Im going to guess Swedish, but I still wonder why you wouldnt just come outright and say it? You didnt put down a nationality in the political beliefs thread, so Im wondering what you are hiding.
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    I literally burst into tears laughing, my neighbors had to check on me because of the sounds I was making. That, sir, was hilarious.

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    Half slav and Half Irish?

    Is it possible to be that stupid and lazy?
    Okay, you're out of order here. Irish are not lazy!

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    Okay, you're out of order here. Irish are not lazy!
    It is often said, God invented alcohol to prevent the Irish from taking over the world!

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    it's whiskey, not alcohol.
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    Just as a note, the topic is about "defeating communism". Whilst I am all for worshipping our octosquid overlords in opposition to this notion, this is still no grounds to boil down to racist remarks in this thread or others. Any such comments will be met with little messages from myself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strike For The South View Post
    who is white?
    Spanish people. Except when they live in Mexico.

    Quote Originally Posted by truth1337 View Post
    Ok two things:
    1. I never claimed that the article was a book
    2. is your main argument here that, because I claimed it was a book as opposed to an article (strawman warning: I never stated it was a book), I'm wrong about everything?
    I've linked to the entire article in Harvard Magazine. It's a one page book review. It mentions nothing about "where he suggests massive immigration and enforced race mixed marriage for white nations, and only white nations.".So yes, your statement is incorrect. Does the book contain some statements that can be dubiously interpretated to what you said? No idea.

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    As for your "social construct" theory, the whole thing about saying "the white race doesn't exist" reminds greatly of when Golda Meir said "the Palestinians don't exist". We all know what happened after that. First of all - the white race exists and it is a biological fact, not a social construct. I'm not going to advocate hate towards Jews in my next statement, but just imagine replacing the word "white" with "Jew" in Ignatiev's article. Ignatiev is a racist extremist and if racism is bad - which it is - then Ignatiev should be thrown in prison and had the key thrown away.
    Are Irish white? They weren't in the US. Spanish are white in Europe, their South American decendants are not. It's an inconsistant concept, so he certainly got a point.

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    I'd say Sweden, mainly due to his choice of church posted in the other thread.
    I'm saying American. Some of the stuff shows that he's not particulary familiar with Swedish politics, and he's been talking about Obama and Jesus (Sweden is extremely secular). Odd usage of communist and satanism. Mixing zionism and left wing policies (the Swedish left is quite aggressive against zionism). That's one reason why I haven't been linking stuff that much. Most about Sweden is in Swedish.
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    Are Irish white? They weren't in the US. Spanish are white in Europe, their South American decendants are not. It's an inconsistant concept, so he certainly got a point.
    There is a problem with denying the existence of a race, and that is that you're free to extinct it without anyone being able to call you racist. I doubt you'd dare to say "Jews are an inconsistent concept", and then enforce racial mixing for all Jews, and state that "it is racist" for them to claim they exist. Or - use the word "blacks". There is absolutely no excuse whatsoever for making such statements about white people if you don't have the guts to make them about every other race.

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    I'm saying American. Some of the stuff shows that he's not particulary familiar with Swedish politics,
    My dear friend, I have personal relations with 11 of the highest politicians in Sweden. Unlike you, I read alternative media, not marxist media, and have been part of several political parties, so I have seen the inside.

    I can really recommend you to start reading www.friatider.se or nationell.nu if you want to know what is really going on. Yes, many of the concepts they state will shock you as "racist" or "anti-this-or-that" at first, but if you give it some time and see how the articles connect as a whole, you will see that they are describing the different networks of corruption that exist in Sweden, especially within culture, quite well. The purpose of the programming in mainstream media that what they say is "hateful" will become clear, when you realize that admitting facts such that average IQ varies by race doesn't have the purpose of instigating violence, but to investigate what realistic ways for coexistence without false assumptions yields.

    I'm not saying you have to agree with anything of what those alternative media say. I'm just saying you should try to read those papers for a few months and see if the information makes you change your mind about anything. If you think they're lying about anything, check their sources by doing some google research at the very least - but for each minute you spend investigating a claim from alternative media, notice that unless you're a hypocrite you should thereafter spend the exact same amount of time to investigate claims from mainstream media.

    It is simply not a viable option these days anymore, to get one side represented by themselves, and the other side represented by ridiculed strawmen and deliberately modified quotations. Read both sides from their own viewpoint, and judge for yourself.

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    and he's been talking about Obama and Jesus (Sweden is extremely secular).
    True, Sweden is quite secular.

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    Odd usage of communist and satanism.
    Communism was founded by Mordechai Levy (aka Marx) and Moses Hess. Marx admitted he was a satanist numerous times, most well-known is the following quotation:
    "Thus Heaven I've forfeited,
    I know it full well,
    My soul, once true to God,
    Is chosen for hell."

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    Mixing zionism and left wing policies (the Swedish left is quite aggressive against zionism).
    Expo and AFA are pro-zionist. V holds occasional anti-Israel rallies but they aren't that aggressive. S is mildly pro-zionist. Mp claims to be anti-zionist, but in their support of world government and massive immigration, they actually end up being pretty much a fanclub for the Federal Reserve.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ironside View Post
    I'm saying American. Some of the stuff shows that he's not particulary familiar with Swedish politics, and he's been talking about Obama and Jesus (Sweden is extremely secular). Odd usage of communist and satanism. Mixing zionism and left wing policies (the Swedish left is quite aggressive against zionism). That's one reason why I haven't been linking stuff that much. Most about Sweden is in Swedish.
    And Sweden is also a communist country so he couldn't be from there.

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    Communism was founded by Mordechai Levy (aka Marx) and Moses Hess. Marx admitted he was a satanist numerous times, most well-known is the following quotation:
    "Thus Heaven I've forfeited,
    I know it full well,
    My soul, once true to God,
    Is chosen for hell."
    How can someone who totally negates the existence of God and anything God-related be a satanist?

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    How can someone who totally negates the existence of God and anything God-related be a satanist?
    A good point. The simple answer is that satanism can be many things, anything from leading people away from Christ towards atheism, to being in general a worshipper of evil and of doing everything the opposite of what is normal, to hatred for nature, to actually worshipping the devil. Laveyan satanism didn't exist at that time, but it is more about neo-paganism with indulgence and a superficial lifestyle, using the word satanism mainly to provoke. Marx falls into the first category obviously, the second possibly, and the third certainly. The fourth his quote implies but it could be "mere poetry". The fifth, no, since Laveyan satanism didn't exist at that time.

    Moreover, if you think communists always mean what they say, then you are certainly naive! What other ideologies do you have such endless trust for, that you would believe everything they said? Judging from the massmurder of 60 million people and enslaving the rest under cattle-like conditions, they didn't really live up to their promise of being "for worker's rights" as they claimed in the USSR, did they?

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    Quote Originally Posted by truth1337 View Post
    There is a problem with denying the existence of a race, and that is that you're free to extinct it without anyone being able to call you racist. I doubt you'd dare to say "Jews are an inconsistent concept", and then enforce racial mixing for all Jews, and state that "it is racist" for them to claim they exist. Or - use the word "blacks". There is absolutely no excuse whatsoever for making such statements about white people if you don't have the guts to make them about every other race.
    The problem is that the original source of what you said is corrupt and not saying what you said it does. Since twisting the original information or outright lies are common, a better source is needed.

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    My dear friend, I have personal relations with 11 of the highest politicians in Sweden. Unlike you, I read alternative media, not marxist media, and have been part of several political parties, so I have seen the inside.

    I can really recommend you to start reading www.friatider.se or nationell.nu if you want to know what is really going on. Yes, many of the concepts they state will shock you as "racist" or "anti-this-or-that" at first, but if you give it some time and see how the articles connect as a whole, you will see that they are describing the different networks of corruption that exist in Sweden, especially within culture, quite well.
    I'm more suprised that they have developed a separate terminology and rethoric compared to the mainstream with simular opinions. I'm not talking about journalistic media, I'm talking about forum posters and news comments.

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    Språkförvrängningen beror på att jag verkligen vill kolla din svenska. Retoriken är faktiskt så främmande and det känns småbizzart.
    Vad tycker du om Reinfelds nya term angående historiska blodsband? Problematiken kommer ifrån att den saknar bra definitioner. Räknas en viss melodifestivalvinnare som detta, eller bara till hälften? Jag antar att är bekant med Reinfelds egen historia, så räknas han? Det är en term som är enkel vid ändarna, men har massiva fluktationer i mitten.

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    The purpose of the programming in mainstream media that what they say is "hateful" will become clear, when you realize that admitting facts such that average IQ varies by race doesn't have the purpose of instigating violence, but to investigate what realistic ways for coexistence without false assumptions yields.
    IQ is one of those concepts that get complicated pretty fast. For example, a genetically population A in country A will have an IQ of 100. It moves to country B and due to better education will have 110. Because of regional reasons, poplulation A splits into 2 groups, B and C. Only because of this, group B vill have a low social status, while C will have a high one. Now they score 100 and 120. Their genes never changed

    Not counting the nice ones of can you coexist with people slighty stupider than you? You've survived this far haven't you (add that your mind will fake it and you'll be surrounded by idiots, even when they really are slightly smarter than you)? Racism and prejudeces will have a field day with this as well.

    When the Arabs were better on science (and made their own contributions, used still today), than the European, were they also biologically smarter?

    It has some points, but it's a quagmire. And it's only real influence would be on the really smart ones and the mentally handicapped and those are found out more and less by itself.

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    I'm not saying you have to agree with anything of what those alternative media say. I'm just saying you should try to read those papers for a few months and see if the information makes you change your mind about anything. If you think they're lying about anything, check their sources by doing some google research at the very least - but for each minute you spend investigating a claim from alternative media, notice that unless you're a hypocrite you should thereafter spend the exact same amount of time to investigate claims from mainstream media.


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    Communism was founded by Mordechai Levy (aka Marx) and Moses Hess. Marx admitted he was a satanist numerous times, most well-known is the following quotation:
    "Thus Heaven I've forfeited,
    I know it full well,
    My soul, once true to God,
    Is chosen for hell."
    That sounds mostly an athiest statement, unless there's alot in the same vein. Yes, I know that you decided to define atheism as satanism.


    I have to say, it should be interesting to read your own opinion on how society should look like. You did reject liberalism and a lot of the movements about every man being equal for example.
    We are all aware that the senses can be deceived, the eyes fooled. But how can we be sure our senses are not being deceived at any particular time, or even all the time? Might I just be a brain in a tank somewhere, tricked all my life into believing in the events of this world by some insane computer? And does my life gain or lose meaning based on my reaction to such solipsism?

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    Quote Originally Posted by truth1337 View Post
    A good point. The simple answer is that satanism can be many things, anything from leading people away from Christ towards atheism, to being in general a worshipper of evil and of doing everything the opposite of what is normal, to hatred for nature, to actually worshipping the devil. Laveyan satanism didn't exist at that time, but it is more about neo-paganism with indulgence and a superficial lifestyle, using the word satanism mainly to provoke. Marx falls into the first category obviously, the second possibly, and the third certainly. The fourth his quote implies but it could be "mere poetry". The fifth, no, since Laveyan satanism didn't exist at that time.
    So, basically, every atheist is a satanist?

    And that's easy compared to next question - what is normal?

    Moreover, if you think communists always mean what they say, then you are certainly naive! What other ideologies do you have such endless trust for, that you would believe everything they said? Judging from the massmurder of 60 million people and enslaving the rest under cattle-like conditions, they didn't really live up to their promise of being "for worker's rights" as they claimed in the USSR, did they?
    I don't believe that politicians ever mean what they say, communist or not. And don't go into 60 million people and cattle like conditions. It always ends badly.

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    That is not what a satanist is, you cannot make up a definition of satanism and use it to insult people in that way. So let's just say for argument's sake I was a monk who lived in practical isolation, living a life clean of any impurities (drug-related, sexual, or otherwise) and had never harmed another living thing in my life, but I took on a student and did not teach him about the teachings of Jesus Christ. Would that make me a satanist? I realize that's a horrible argument, but so is making up your own definition for a very controversial and well-discussed word such as satanist.

    I've known a few satanists, not those who sacrifice virgins to create the Antichrist, but the ones that just live their lives the way they want to and let others do the same. Guess what, they were all better people than the fundies I've known.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarmatian View Post
    So, basically, every atheist is a satanist?
    Another good point out of my slightly careless phrasing. The answer is of course no. Leading people away from God slash nature, towards unnatural things, can be seen as satanic only if it is combined with a compulsive belief that nature or God is evil and must be destroyed or changed beyond recognizeability.

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    I don't believe that politicians ever mean what they say, communist or not. And don't go into 60 million people and cattle like conditions. It always ends badly.
    Great! I hope you are vigilant and be sure to learn of concepts such as the Hegel dialectic and false flag attacks, which are often used to bring about such conditions where massmurder is possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Memnon View Post
    That is not what a satanist is, you cannot make up a definition of satanism and use it to insult people in that way. So let's just say for argument's sake I was a monk who lived in practical isolation, living a life clean of any impurities (drug-related, sexual, or otherwise) and had never harmed another living thing in my life, but I took on a student and did not teach him about the teachings of Jesus Christ. Would that make me a satanist? I realize that's a horrible argument, but so is making up your own definition for a very controversial and well-discussed word such as satanist.

    I've known a few satanists, not those who sacrifice virgins to create the Antichrist, but the ones that just live their lives the way they want to and let others do the same. Guess what, they were all better people than the fundies I've known.
    I was once a satanist myself, so I know what I'm talking about. Secondly, I admitted and clarified my poor phrasing (due to late time of the day!) in the post just above this one. Not teaching about Christ is not satanism. Actively leading people away from Christ, isn't satanism. But compulsively wanting to destroy nature and God, being almost scared of the existence of natural things, and always wanting to turn everything natural as unnatural as possible, is satanism - because it is hatred for nature slash God.

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    The problem is that the original source of what you said is corrupt and not saying what you said it does. Since twisting the original information or outright lies are common, a better source is needed.
    I'm not your research assistant, look it up yourself if you doubt it. This is not a political discussion about who gets elected for presidency, but a discussion to widen one's views. If you're not shocked enough by the revelations I've make so far to look it up yourself, and in general starting to be curious to check such things up in general, I've failed my purpose of the discussion anyway even if I would convince you of this particular statement (which is true). In the same way, I don't want you to believe me without checking what I say. The purpose of the discussion is that noone should be trusted because they may be sheep in wolves clothing.

    I don't care who gives the impression of "having won the discussion" in archaic pre-Socrates terms, I only want people to start realizing that mainstream media is lying to them - especially about multi-culti - and start doing their own research.

    Despite all the proof I've given that massmedia claims must be double-checked before they are believed, you're still reluctant to the thought that mainstream media may be lying about anything. I'll leave fetching that source as an exercise. A hint is to visit youtube and use the search phrase:
    "police confirm all assault rapists in oslo made by immigrants"
    Since you trust mainstream news so much, I believe you'll like the first search hit.

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    Språkförvrängningen beror på att jag verkligen vill kolla din svenska. Retoriken är faktiskt så främmande and det känns småbizzart.
    Vad tycker du om Reinfelds nya term angående historiska blodsband? Problematiken kommer ifrån att den saknar bra definitioner. Räknas en viss melodifestivalvinnare som detta, eller bara till hälften? Jag antar att är bekant med Reinfelds egen historia, så räknas han? Det är en term som är enkel vid ändarna, men har massiva fluktationer i mitten.
    Reinfeldt är jude, precis som Sarkozy och alla andra som talar om rasblandning - medan de själva naturligtvis vägrar rasblanda sig - Sarkozy är t.ex. ihop med en kvinna som skryter om att hon inte har en droppe icke-judiskt blod i kroppen. Dessutom är Reinfeldts fras att etniska svenskar inte existerar kusligt lik Golda Meirs uttalande om att palestinier inte existerar. Vi vet alla vad som hände efter det. Jag kommer inte kunna övertyga dig med en miljon bevis, om du är låst i ett tankesätt att du måste försvara mainstream-medias åsikt. Därför tänker jag istället först fråga - vilken bevisning skulle vara tillräcklig för att du skulle anse det bevisat, att mainstream massmedia ljuger om syftet med multi-kulti?

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    IQ is one of those concepts that get complicated pretty fast. For example, a genetically population A in country A will have an IQ of 100. It moves to country B and due to better education will have 110. Because of regional reasons, poplulation A splits into 2 groups, B and C. Only because of this, group B vill have a low social status, while C will have a high one. Now they score 100 and 120. Their genes never changed
    Yeah sure, all the things white people are good at are worthless. Thank good we have all these fast black runners, what would mankind do without them! Thank good for all black and hispanic inventors, without whose help we wouldn't have airplanes, cars, printing presses etc. Chinese and white people are - and this is not racism but fact - the people who have done the most for mankind in terms of technological inventions.

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    When the Arabs were better on science (and made their own contributions, used still today), than the European, were they also biologically smarter?
    This is a common misconception fed to the Swedish people by mainstream communist media - that the whole muslim world was some kind of superior science center back in the days. Actually if you start looking, it was only small parts of the whole muslim world that was active with science in every time period, and one of the main centers of that science was not the purely Arabic areas, but areas such as Khiva and Samarkand, while in other parts scientists were persecuted. You need only read about the Ottoman attitude to Ibn Rushda's works, to see that Swedish massmedia is not merely exaggerating, but also lying. Not only that, but they also don't tell you how the khaliphate treated their slaves. You may think the mainly Jewish and partly white transatlantic slave trade (which people like Spielberg and Tarantino who produces for the Weinstein brothers tries to blame on whites only) was bad - but the reason the khaliphate slaves have no offspring to tell of the horrors was because they castrated all slaves, because they didn't want the risk of them having children with racially pure Arabs. The castration was immensly cruel, and cost 7 out of 8 their lives before they were even transported to their owners.

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    It has some points, but it's a quagmire. And it's only real influence would be on the really smart ones and the mentally handicapped and those are found out more and less by itself.
    IQ is not perfect, but the denial of stronger intelligence of whites than many other people, is racist when you at the same time admit that black people run faster. Why the hypocrisy that all things whites are good at are to be called worthless?

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    You did reject [...] every man being equal for example.
    Show me where I did this. Also, define your own view of what being equal means. Is it consequence ethical equality, or rule ethical equality? I.e. is the worth of each life the same, or should every decision treat everyone equal? In the former case, it means a murderer would lose his value and may be killed in self-defense because he is a treat to a greater number of equally worth people, than one who kills him. In the latter case, it means a murderer maintains his value and may only be captured alive. And if there is starvation and one of ten would die, the murderer would according to that view deserve as much chance to be one of the 9 that gets food, as all the others.

    So, do you support rule ethical or consequence ethical equality?
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    Quote Originally Posted by truth1337 View Post
    I'm not your research assistant, look it up yourself if you doubt it. This is not a political discussion about who gets elected for presidency, but a discussion to widen one's views. If you're not shocked enough by the revelations I've make so far to look it up yourself, and in general starting to be curious to check such things up in general, I've failed my purpose of the discussion anyway even if I would convince you of this particular statement (which is true). In the same way, I don't want you to believe me without checking what I say. The purpose of the discussion is that noone should be trusted because they may be sheep in wolves clothing.

    I don't care who gives the impression of "having won the discussion" in archaic pre-Socrates terms, I only want people to start realizing that mainstream media is lying to them - especially about multi-culti - and start doing their own research.
    It's mainly because I'm not wanting to dig through everything the guy has written to see the accurarcy of your claims, since the original statement was false. From what I can see, it shows up in Harward magazine to be thought provoking on that the concept of the white race is largely built on a social construct. Can a place who acclaims a lot on critical thinking recommend a book from an author with opinions that they disagree on, if the book still contains something of value? Yes. Are that author influencial? No. Are he completely considered a nutter (like the other one you mentioned)? No.

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    Despite all the proof I've given that massmedia claims must be double-checked before they are believed, you're still reluctant to the thought that mainstream media may be lying about anything. I'll leave fetching that source as an exercise. A hint is to visit youtube and use the search phrase:
    "police confirm all assault rapists in oslo made by immigrants"
    Since you trust mainstream news so much, I believe you'll like the first search hit.
    I'm aware of that one. You don't think it's shown up here before?

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    Reinfeldt är jude, precis som Sarkozy och alla andra som talar om rasblandning - medan de själva naturligtvis vägrar rasblanda sig - Sarkozy är t.ex. ihop med en kvinna som skryter om att hon inte har en droppe icke-judiskt blod i kroppen. Dessutom är Reinfeldts fras att etniska svenskar inte existerar kusligt lik Golda Meirs uttalande om att palestinier inte existerar. Vi vet alla vad som hände efter det. Jag kommer inte kunna övertyga dig med en miljon bevis, om du är låst i ett tankesätt att du måste försvara mainstream-medias åsikt. Därför tänker jag istället först fråga - vilken bevisning skulle vara tillräcklig för att du skulle anse det bevisat, att mainstream massmedia ljuger om syftet med multi-kulti?
    Där ser man.

    Reinfeldts föräldrar är inte judar, men han kanske tillhör "kryptojudar". Senast jag såg någonting angående etniska svenskar så var det Reinfeldt som försvarade sitt användande av uttrycket. Det skulle kräva rätt tunga bevis, dvs erkännande mer eller mindre, av någon med reell makt och inte någon med marginellt till icke-existerande inflytande eller tydlig inkonsekvens ifrån vad de säger i jämförelse ifrån hur de handlar. För att ta dig som exempel. Jag finner idén om en judisk-marxistisk konspiration bizarr, men det betyder inte att jag antar att du ljuger om detta och har en annan plan istället.

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    Yeah sure, all the things white people are good at are worthless. Thank good we have all these fast black runners, what would mankind do without them! Thank good for all black and hispanic inventors, without whose help we wouldn't have airplanes, cars, printing presses etc. Chinese and white people are - and this is not racism but fact - the people who have done the most for mankind in terms of technological inventions.
    It is. Did the Chinese become dumber when they stopped being in the technological frontier?

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    This is a common misconception fed to the Swedish people by mainstream communist media - that the whole muslim world was some kind of superior science center back in the days. Actually if you start looking, it was only small parts of the whole muslim world that was active with science in every time period, and one of the main centers of that science was not the purely Arabic areas, but areas such as Khiva and Samarkand, while in other parts scientists were persecuted. You need only read about the Ottoman attitude to Ibn Rushda's works, to see that Swedish massmedia is not merely exaggerating, but also lying. Not only that, but they also don't tell you how the khaliphate treated their slaves. You may think the mainly Jewish and partly white transatlantic slave trade (which people like Spielberg and Tarantino who produces for the Weinstein brothers tries to blame on whites only) was bad - but the reason the khaliphate slaves have no offspring to tell of the horrors was because they castrated all slaves, because they didn't want the risk of them having children with racially pure Arabs. The castration was immensly cruel, and cost 7 out of 8 their lives before they were even transported to their owners.
    Andalusia and Baghdad was pretty big as well. But open-minded areas with a lot of mixing seems to've been most effective.

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    IQ is not perfect, but the denial of stronger intelligence of whites than many other people, is racist when you at the same time admit that black people run faster. Why the hypocrisy that all things whites are good at are to be called worthless?
    Because it's one of those things that doesn't do well after simplification. Cultural values and attitudes are more important than the brainpower. Say that you know 100 blacks and 100 anglo-saxons. You'll find 1 more really clever among the white and one 1 more really stupid among the blacks. That's what it means. That's not what people are going to draw as conclusions.

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    Show me where I did this. Also, define your own view of what being equal means. Is it consequence ethical equality, or rule ethical equality? I.e. is the worth of each life the same, or should every decision treat everyone equal? In the former case, it means a murderer would lose his value and may be killed in self-defense because he is a treat to a greater number of equally worth people, than one who kills him. In the latter case, it means a murderer maintains his value and may only be captured alive. And if there is starvation and one of ten would die, the murderer would according to that view deserve as much chance to be one of the 9 that gets food, as all the others.

    So, do you support rule ethical or consequence ethical equality?
    You called liberalism and feminism as spawns of communism. I doubt you'll say anything different about socialism, anarchism and social democracy. What they do have together is the idea of equality. They do have very different ideals on focus, what it's means and how to reach it.

    Ideally, the murder maintains his value. In reality, it won't always work and never will, but that's the ideal.
    We are all aware that the senses can be deceived, the eyes fooled. But how can we be sure our senses are not being deceived at any particular time, or even all the time? Might I just be a brain in a tank somewhere, tricked all my life into believing in the events of this world by some insane computer? And does my life gain or lose meaning based on my reaction to such solipsism?

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    Quote Originally Posted by truth1337 View Post
    Another good point out of my slightly careless phrasing. The answer is of course no. Leading people away from God slash nature, towards unnatural things, can be seen as satanic only if it is combined with a compulsive belief that nature or God is evil and must be destroyed or changed beyond recognizeability.
    Why do you equate God with nature?

    Great! I hope you are vigilant and be sure to learn of concepts such as the Hegel dialectic and false flag attacks, which are often used to bring about such conditions where massmurder is possible.
    Mass murders weren't exclusive to communism.

    Considering cattle like conditions, at the moment I'd very much like to trade my piss-poor, almost-starving paradise-like democratic conditions for a car, nice house, two holidays a year, free health care and free education cattle-like communist conditions.

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    Andalusia and Baghdad was pretty big as well. But open-minded areas with a lot of mixing seems to've been most effective.
    And what happened to "multi-cultural" Andalusia? Is that the way we want to go? Or, indeed, to the 7th generation immigrants in South Africa today? Or, what happened to the indians and the palestinians? As you see, multi-culti usually doesn't work so well.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ironside View Post
    Because it's one of those things that doesn't do well after simplification. Cultural values and attitudes are more important than the brainpower. Say that you know 100 blacks and 100 anglo-saxons. You'll find 1 more really clever among the white and one 1 more really stupid among the blacks. That's what it means. That's not what people are going to draw as conclusions.
    Actually the whole bell curve is moved strongly to the left for blacks compared to whites. This is a fact, just as the whole bell curve is further right for blacks in terms of running.

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    and social democracy
    Social democracy, like national socialism, was a reaction towards communism, i.e. giving roughly the same promises as communism, but actually following them instead of carrying out massacres and causing massive engineered famine disasters.

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    What they do have together is the idea of equality.
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    Ideally, the murder maintains his value. In reality, it won't always work and never will, but that's the ideal.
    Interesting. That explains a lot of your philosophy. In short, anytime during Stalin's massacres of 60 million white Russians, if someone wanted to stop Stalin, he would be a really big "sinner" according to your moral philosophy, if he used lethal violence towards Stalin?

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    Why do you equate God with nature?
    Because that is what makes it easiest to understand what he is. He is everything that exists. That which is true, is God. The main difference, is that God is also a force that makes sure evil will always be defeated by those of pure heart.

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    Considering cattle like conditions, at the moment I'd very much like to trade my piss-poor, almost-starving paradise-like democratic conditions for a car, nice house, two holidays a year, free health care and free education cattle-like communist conditions.
    Which communist dictatorship would give you that? The USSR, or North Korea, or Turkmenistan, or Burma, or Cambodia?

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    Because that is what makes it easiest to understand what he is. He is everything that exists. That which is true, is God. The main difference, is that God is also a force that makes sure evil will always be defeated by those of pure heart.
    Well said. Throw in "he's got them" and you can invade Iraq or alternatively "world peace" and you can become Miss America.

    Which communist dictatorship would give you that? The USSR, or North Korea, or Turkmenistan, or Burma, or Cambodia?
    I was mostly thinking Yugoslavia.

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    truth1337 . One has to wonder.What is your opinion concerning National Socialism?
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    I was mostly thinking Yugoslavia.
    Now Yugoslavia was mild communism, leaning towards social democratic. Tito used the word communism mainly to keep the USSR off him. It was probably the best system they could make of Yugoslavia at that time, but the etnical mixing didn't work out that well, did it?

    I personally believe current Serbia would have all the opportunities in the world unless the UN and EU were sabotaging. The theft of Kosovo from Serbia - thus giving the heartlands of traditional Serbia away to muslim immigrants - was criminal. That land should be returned, and the immigrants sent back home. With such a starting point, Serbia would have a great chance of turning into a great rich country. If you have the same type of bank gangsters controlling your banks as we do, you need to throw them out as well.

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    truth1337 . One has to wonder.What is your opinion concerning National Socialism?
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    Quote Originally Posted by truth1337 View Post
    https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?142164-What-can-YOU-do-to-help-defeat-communism&p=2053472880&viewfull=1#post2053472880
    So, what's your opinion then? I have a great-grandfather who was deported in Buchenwald, was everything he told his family when he came back in summer '45 part of an hoax orchestrated by who knows who? Or maybe you know who?
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    Phone books.

    What do thy do?
    List phone numbers of course.

    And address

    And name.

    Using phone books it was possible to compare and contrast populations Pre and post WWII. That's just one source.

    You could of course use the IBM powered census.

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    Dude, seriously.
    Look up Irving vs. Lipstadt. Then come back and stop being a moron.

    I mean come on dude, you cant be that ignorant. Besides, Zundel's "research" has been smashed repeatedly. And the Canadian court didnt validate his claim.

    Moron.

    And of course 6 million isnt an exact number. It might be slightly more, or slightly less. There are still undiscovered mass graves out there. Plus the 6 million isnt including all the gypsies and other "undesirables" the Nazis murdered.

    On a similar topic, what is your opinion about the Nazi Aktion T4 program?
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    Truth1337 ic correct. People often forget about all the good things a person does because they make a few (million) slip ups in their life. And Genghis Khan baked some really mean cookies.
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    This is a common misconception fed to the Swedish people by mainstream communist media - that the whole muslim world was some kind of superior science center back in the days. Actually if you start looking, it was only small parts of the whole muslim world that was active with science in every time period, and one of the main centers of that science was not the purely Arabic areas, but areas such as Khiva and Samarkand, while in other parts scientists were persecuted.
    Nobody is denying the contributions of Persian, Indian, Chinese and Greek writers and scientists to what we commonly refer to as the Islamic Golden Age. However, fact remains that the Abbasid caliphs in Baghdad and the Fatimid caliphs in Cairo were active patrons of science and scientists. The problem starts when you try to explain the general decrease of science in the Islamic world by linking it to something totally unrelated, such as religious fundamentalism. There are several factors that contributed to the decrease of scientific output in the Islamic world, even though it continued well into the 17th century.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hooahguy View Post
    Dude, seriously.
    Look up Irving vs. Lipstadt. Then come back and stop being a moron.

    I mean come on dude, you cant be that ignorant. Besides, Zundel's "research" has been smashed repeatedly. And the Canadian court didnt validate his claim.

    Moron.

    And of course 6 million isnt an exact number. It might be slightly more, or slightly less. There are still undiscovered mass graves out there. Plus the 6 million isnt including all the gypsies and other "undesirables" the Nazis murdered.

    On a similar topic, what is your opinion about the Nazi Aktion T4 program?
    Much more probably, the Polish Ukrainians and Russians had a taste for it as well.

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