rvg, some couple of years later?

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Of course it is crossing the moral line. Sometimes that line needs to be crossed.

That's an incredibly dangerous thing to say, it implies above all that the US Government is an immoral entity - such a government has no legitimacy, and it therefore follows that it should be overthrown.

There remains the unanswered question regarding the information extracted during torture - it is by and large useless. torture was used to extract confessions of witchcraft and, most famously, it was used to discredit the Knights Templar and paint them as heretics.