Academy of Elemental Magic [Concluded]

[edse]

Andres does indeed look scummy.

Vote: Andres

Vote: NinjaCow64 don't vote for people without reason

[Alsark]

My reason stems from Day 1. He makes a post that is WAY too "into the game", which I often believe to be mafia-like... and then he just like, totally disappears for a very long time - lurking is also mafia-like. That's double mafia likeness. Then you have Autolycus constantly giving Andres items, like the shield and water potion, when there is really very, very little reason to be doing so.

Hence, Autolycus+Andres scum team.

[El Barto]

Wait, what?

That was random and spiteful. Are you saying it's also correct for some reason?

I'm totally for killing Andres, but I always prefer to know why people are voting the way they do. Especially if I'm correct, so I can do my funky pizza dance.

Well, you doing a funky pizza dance is a good reason.

[TinCow]

My reason stems from Day 1. He makes a post that is WAY too "into the game", which I often believe to be mafia-like... and then he just like, totally disappears for a very long time - lurking is also mafia-like. That's double mafia likeness. Then you have Autolycus constantly giving Andres items, like the shield and water potion, when there is really very, very little reason to be doing so.

Hence, Autolycus+Andres scum team.

Why is wanting to give someone items scummy?

[Askthepizzaguy]

I can sort of sympathize with that statement. It never occurred to me to give any items to anyone so far.

[El Barto]

Would people wanting to give you items be scumym as well?

[Alsark]

Why is wanting to give someone items scummy?

Shouldn't you be giving the towniest people items that benefit people? So why would Autolycus constantly be giving Andres items? Doesn't make any sense to me, yo, unless they're scum together and he wants to help out his teammate.

Would people wanting to give you items be scumym as well?

People should be giving items to the towniest player - which I'm clearly not since I have barely been around.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Would people wanting to give you items be scumym as well?

It would be odd since I haven't been participating that much.

[TinCow]

Shouldn't you be giving the towniest people items that benefit people? So why would Autolycus constantly be giving Andres items? Doesn't make any sense to me, yo, unless they're scum together and he wants to help out his teammate.

To a certain extent, yes. However you are claiming that Autolycus is scummy because he wanted to give stuff to Andres. That would only work if Andres was so inherently scummy that no one in their right mind would have thought him a townie. Yet the only post of any significance that Andres made prior to Autolycus' first 'gift' post was this one in which Andres did a bit of RPing. You are fully entitled to say that RPing like that is scummy, but I would not say it is so inherently scummy that everyone else would immediately see it as such. I certainly didn't see it as a post indicating that Andres was scum, so why would we assume that Autoloycus would have? Thus, there's no particular reason to assume that Autolycus is scummy based on his gifting to Andres. In fact, if what you claim were true, why would Autolycus have split his vote on the potions and offered one to someone else?

Isn't it a bit early in the game to be launching a vendetta against a person? Why are you so aggressive in your pursuit of the A-Team?

[NinjaCow64]

A friend suggested that they were scummy. And I trusted that friend's judgement. Since I wasn't really in the mood for making a case, that's who I voted for.

[Alsark]

To a certain extent, yes. However you are claiming that Autolycus is scummy because he wanted to give stuff to Andres. That would only work if Andres was so inherently scummy that no one in their right mind would have thought him a townie. Yet the only post of any significance that Andres made prior to Autolycus' first 'gift' post was this one in which Andres did a bit of RPing. You are fully entitled to say that RPing like that is scummy, but I would not say it is so inherently scummy that everyone else would immediately see it as such. I certainly didn't see it as a post indicating that Andres was scum, so why would we assume that Autoloycus would have? Thus, there's no particular reason to assume that Autolycus is scummy based on his gifting to Andres. In fact, if what you claim were true, why would Autolycus have split his vote on the potions and offered one to someone else?

I could understand giving him the shield on Day 1, sure - that was mostly just a random giveaway. However, when he just so happens to also give him an item on Day 2, that goes beyond coincidence - especially when Andres isn't at all towny (even if you don't find him scummy, he is neutral at best). And if he gave both potions to Andres that would just be way, way too obvious. Splitting it up makes it more subtle. Also, if they're really elemental defense potions, as I think someone had posted, then maybe Andres needed the water potion more than the muddy potion. Maybe he already has a high Earth defense, which, if they're scum together, Autolycus would know exactly what potion to give his scum buddy.

Isn't it a bit early in the game to be launching a vendetta against a person? Why are you so aggressive in your pursuit of the A-Team?

Lol, you make it sound like I hate the guy(s) - I don't even know anybody here, really, besides Visorslash. I'm just offering my opinion and going through with it.

[Alsark]

A friend suggested that they were scummy. And I trusted that friend's judgement. Since I wasn't really in the mood for making a case, that's who I voted for.

... You're making me doubt the placement of my vote right now, to be honest. Who is "a friend"? And why is this person not voting for Andres himself? And in your post you say "they" are scummy. Who is they?

[seireikhaan]

Vote: Alsark

Ring-a-ding-ding. Scum bells all over the place. You were so sure on this little crusade. Well, until anyone raised an eyebrow at it.

[Alsark]

Vote: Alsark

Ring-a-ding-ding. Scum bells all over the place. You were so sure on this little crusade. Well, until anyone raised an eyebrow at it.

Okay, well then you tell me - why do you think that Andres is town?

And what are you even talking about? The only hesitation that came up was how scummy Ninjacow's post was (who also happens to be voting for Andres) - not because anybody questioned my vote.

[seireikhaan]

Andres is being andres. You're looking *really* hard at things that aren't actually there or what you think they are. Most valid point thus far is the suspicion of NinjaCow, but you come first.

[Chaotix]

Khaan on the attack?

Something's wrong here.

Vote: issaikhaan

[seireikhaan]

Oh hush, you. I'm allowed to be a good townie. Occasionally.

[Ferret]

People should be giving items to the towniest player - which I'm clearly not since I have barely been around.

Not the towniest player.... because YOU'RE MAFIA!?!?

Seriously though I'm not sure what to make of all this, but I don't buy your reasons for calling Andres scummy.

I still have suspicions about Ignoramus, but I'll wait and see what he says this round first. For now:

vote:Alsark

[Alsark]

Seriously? So I'm scum because you guys disagree with me? Lol.

Bravo, guys. That's some expert scumhunting right there.

Andres is being andres. You're looking *really* hard at things that aren't actually there or what you think they are. Most valid point thus far is the suspicion of NinjaCow, but you come first.

Also, I love how you think I am scum because "Andres is being Andres" and that evidently I should know that. Because I guess making a giant RP post and then disappearing and then someone else giving you free handouts must be perfectly normal for him? I dunno - but if you insist. For the normal person, though, that is scummy behavior, and indicates that the other person is probably scum with him.

So this is kind of ironic... you vote me for "having a vendetta against the A-team," and yet you seem to have the mindset of defending the "A-team" for no reason and having a vendetta against someone you don't know. If making a giant RP post and then disappearing qualifies you as being A-team material around here, and then everyone votes you just for voting one of the A-team members... I have to say, I'm quite concerned. I love how my vote is one of the first with ACTUAL REASONING, and nobody questions these random votes that have been going around all game long. Seriously people - think things through and make ACTUAL CASES. Don't just jump on the first person who uses some actual logic. "Oh noes... a vote that isn't random? Guy is thinking too hard. Let's kill that guy." You guys are pro.

[Alsark]

When I get back from church I'd like to conduct a meta-analysis on Andres to challenge issaikhaan's claim that Andres is always like this. If Andres is indeed always like this, then fine - that's cool. But if I find out you are lying, issaikhaan, then you have some 'splanin' to do, Lucy!

If somebody could insist on this endeavor and link me to at least a couple of games that Andres has been in (since you guys would remember and I have no idea), then that'd be very helpful - thanks!

[seireikhaan]

You know, it's entirely possible that I would've changed my vote at some point(likely to NinjaCow), but now I've got no choice but to continue voting you for your hostile, bitter, "I'm caught and frustrated" demeanor. Way to totally overreact at getting two votes. But especially for you breaking out the "you're pro" line. I've played enough LoL that I want to hear that phrase tossed into an incinerator.

No, you're scum for the weirdly certain and aggressive tone you had when you previously admitted to not knowing what was going on.

And don't give me any whining when about being voted for trying when that's literally the accusation you lodge against Andres. (chronology being the only slight difference). Your only other 'accusation' is that he voted potions to somebody.

[Arjos]

Agreed here, nerves were hit...

Vote: Alsark

[Askthepizzaguy]

Classic early "I think I've caught a scum" excitement clouding the judgments of several players.

You've caught a townie, nine times out of ten. Bet you any money the scums are just sitting back and laughing at you. You're making it so easy.

[Montmorency]

How many times out of ten is that the sound of scum-Pizza taunting us?

[Alsark]

You know, it's entirely possible that I would've changed my vote at some point(likely to NinjaCow), but now I've got no choice but to continue voting you for your hostile, bitter, "I'm caught and frustrated" demeanor. Way to totally overreact at getting two votes. But especially for you breaking out the "you're pro" line. I've played enough LoL that I want to hear that phrase tossed into an incinerator.

No, you're scum for the weirdly certain and aggressive tone you had when you previously admitted to not knowing what was going on.

And don't give me any whining when about being voted for trying when that's literally the accusation you lodge against Andres. (chronology being the only slight difference). Your only other 'accusation' is that he voted potions to somebody.

Caught and frustrated? Are you joking or being serious? I'm frustrated for being voted for because I am actually presenting a case. Then I ask for help in doing actual scumhunting, but instead of offering help in potentially catching scum, you'd rather just ignore my request and continue to vote me because, for one, you disagree with me, two, because you want to defend your "A team" that hasn't actually been doing anything, and three, as I will show later on, you evidently pulled that "Andres is being Andres" statement out of nowhere and don't want to assist in me calling you out on a lie.

No, you're scum for the weirdly certain and aggressive tone you had when you previously admitted to not knowing what was going on.

I hadn't been particularly keeping up with the thread - but that doesn't mean I don't know what is scummy.

And don't give me any whining when about being voted for trying when that's literally the accusation you lodge against Andres. (chronology being the only slight difference). Your only other 'accusation' is that he voted potions to somebody.

Wait... what? I didn't say anything about Andres giving potions to people - I mentioned Autolycus giving potions to Andres. And these are entirely different things you are talking about. You're voting me for "trying too hard" at scumhunting. Thinking someone is scum for trying too hard at roleplaying is entirely different. How can you even compare the two? I'm trying to catch scum. He's trying to be descriptive and hasn't once done any scumhunting this round. How does that make me the scummy one?

So yeah, thanks again for helping me out with that meta analysis - but it didn't take long to dig deep enough to realize you're lying about Andres' meta:

In Pirate Ship Mafia, where he was town, Andres posted quite a bit by Day 2 - which he hasn't done at all here. Yes, he roleplayed, but he didn't make a GIANT roleplaying post, which, in my experiences, almost always points towards that person being scum. Thus, compared to that round, I don't see "Andres being Andres" here. So Issaikhaan - what exactly is there here where Andres is being TOWN Andres? If you think he's town, tell me why - because it's obviously not his meta, as shown in the linked thread.

Also, I am always like this as town - and that, unlike you lying about Andres' meta, I can actually provide proof of: http://wiki.vendetta-strada.net/wiki/User:Alsark. For a more specific example, you can refer to Roxy Mafia (I linked to the start of the day of my being lynched), where I was town, made a case that people didn't like (well, the guy ended up claiming cop) - people disagreed with my plans, I started to get voted for, and I reacted very strongly in my defense. Sounds oddly familiar.

So you can actually take the time and see that I am always like this as town or just choose to ignore that and continue lynching me just because you disagree with me. To be honest, I have a feeling I know which you'll choose, as it seems you'd rather lynch me out of principle now rather than for any actual scumhunting purposes.

[TinCow]

Alsark is putting enough effort into his posts that lynching him on Day 3 would be a shame. I like his moxy.

Vote: Kennigit

What say you, oh pithy one?

[Memnon]

I'm gonna agree with Chaotix here, Vote: issaikhaan, he's on the attack here.

[seireikhaan]

Caught and frustrated? Are you joking or being serious? I'm frustrated for being voted for because I am actually presenting a case. Then I ask for help in doing actual scumhunting, but instead of offering help in potentially catching scum, you'd rather just ignore my request and continue to vote me because, for one, you disagree with me, two, because you want to defend your "A team" that hasn't actually been doing anything, and three, as I will show later on, you evidently pulled that "Andres is being Andres" statement out of nowhere and don't want to assist in me calling you out on a lie.

Nah. I don't feel like linking you to a bunch of games because that's work and there's sunday football. Suffice it to say, I was not particularly swayed by your argument of him "lurking" for a whole day phase, which, since you love proof, you did not link any evidence for. Andres does have things besides mafia to attend to, like running the forum, being a father, etcetera. I am not sufficiently bothered with him lurking for one phase.

I hadn't been particularly keeping up with the thread - but that doesn't mean I don't know what is scummy.



Wait... what? I didn't say anything about Andres giving potions to people - I mentioned Autolycus giving potions to Andres. And these are entirely different things you are talking about. You're voting me for "trying too hard" at scumhunting. Thinking someone is scum for trying too hard at roleplaying is entirely different. How can you even compare the two? I'm trying to catch scum. He's trying to be descriptive and hasn't once done any scumhunting this round. How does that make me the scummy one?

So yeah, thanks again for helping me out with that meta analysis - but it didn't take long to dig deep enough to realize you're lying about Andres' meta:

In Pirate Ship Mafia, where he was town, Andres posted quite a bit by Day 2 - which he hasn't done at all here. Yes, he roleplayed, but he didn't make a GIANT roleplaying post, which, in my experiences, almost always points towards that person being scum. Thus, compared to that round, I don't see "Andres being Andres" here. So Issaikhaan - what exactly is there here where Andres is being TOWN Andres? If you think he's town, tell me why - because it's obviously not his meta, as shown in the linked thread.

Meh. Different circumstances. Pirate Ship I was a highly memorable game, the sequel of which had been highly anticipated for a year. Pretty natural he came out blazing. Furthermore, 1 game is hardly qualifies as an analysis of the "andres" meta. But by all means, go ahead and believe that I'm lying to you.

Also, I am always like this as town - and that, unlike you lying about Andres' meta, I can actually provide proof of: http://wiki.vendetta-strada.net/wiki/User:Alsark. For a more specific example, you can refer to Roxy Mafia (I linked to the start of the day of my being lynched), where I was town, made a case that people didn't like (well, the guy ended up claiming cop) - people disagreed with my plans, I started to get voted for, and I reacted very strongly in my defense. Sounds oddly familiar.

So you can actually take the time and see that I am always like this as town or just choose to ignore that and continue lynching me just because you disagree with me. To be honest, I have a feeling I know which you'll choose, as it seems you'd rather lynch me out of principle now rather than for any actual scumhunting purposes.

Frankly, if you're always like this after getting voted twice, you should re-think your town strategy, because it's highly scummy. It makes you seem oversensitive to being voted, a blatant mafia tell. Maybe too blatant, but better than anything I have to work with.

And yes. You want a "meta" analysis of me? I have principles. Some of them are rational, some are not. I will vote for people that violate them. Congratulations.

[Jarema]

mid-day tally:
Alsark (3): Issaikhaan, Elite Ferret, Arjos
Andres (2): Alsark, NinjaCow
Issaikhaan (2): Chaotix, Memnon
NinjaCow: Edse
Kennigit: TinCow

Not voting: a lot

[NinjaCow64]

Okay, I'm agreeing with Khan here, Alsark is flinching like all hell. Unvote; Vote: Alsark