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    This was a day of a fierce discussion. First, one student, called Askthepizzaguy, accused Edse of being utterly corrupted, and, therefore, scum. But then, he withdrawn his accusation and started to mount another cases... But people were sold on his first lead, arguing that items cannot lie. So, Edse was lynched.
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    Edse was head of Hydromancers! He was innocent
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    Fluid Sculpture was found on his body. It will be given to the College of Waves



    Night begins.
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    Crap.

    Add another tally mark to the "ATPG was right" board.

    Somebody is going to pay for this.
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    Please don't forget the possibility that he is responsible for this. We now know that one of two people is mafia, this is hardly that bad a situation to be in.

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    Now, it is finished.

    I am either guilty or Ironside is. I warned you all. You failed to act, because you lack the cojones that I have.

    I'm kidding. Remember ATPG is a character I play and damn if it doesn't feel good to play him today.

    In all seriousness, I gave you everything you needed. The host confirmed headmasters can become corrupted. EVERY PERSON who has seen the Aeromancers quicktopics KNOWS FOR A FACT that only Ironside or myself (or Tincow, but he's died and flipped already) knew what we were doing last night.


    The fact of the matter, boys and girls, is that either myself or Ironside caused this to happen.

    The fact is, Ironside made sure the item got to me.

    Ironside told me who to scan.

    I'm a claimed mason with an investigatory item and I am not being killed off like El Barto was.

    I was told to scan Edse and I faithfully reported the result, OR, I am guilty.

    But I also deduced, just from talking to Edse, in front of all of you, and found out that he was innocent. Because, as HHH would put it, I am the game, and I am that, damn, good.

    So you have two choices.

    Either Askthepizzaguy is guilty, or Ironside is.

    And now I have additional targets for you.

    Visorslash looks guilty, and so does Elite Ferret. But you must begin with Ironside.

    These are the people most directly responsible for this.

    Keep in mind,

    Elite Ferret is in the college of wind. He was recruited into the college a while back and recently got promoted. We had kind of a very difficult spat between us in our quicktopic, wherein I accused him of being scum. But Ironside talked me down from it.

    Ironside has promoted Elite Ferret. But he's also provided alibi for Alsark.

    I no longer trust Elite Ferret given his earlier behavior in the game, where he accused me of being scum over and over and over in private. But his actions today solidify it. He's definitely gotta be guilty.

    Ironside, it's no question at all. Only Ironside could have framed Edse, or myself, and I hold the Askthepizzaguy card, and if you kill me, you'll get to see it.

    I want to say that I warned you. Perhaps too late, but I would think a day's time is plenty of warning that the scan is wrong and a half day should be plenty of time to get the suspect right.

    Now you must listen.

    I have made your choices very simple. Either I am guilty or Ironside is, (or both).

    So let's finish this. Askthepizzaguy goes out in a blaze of absolute glory.




    I invite EVERYONE In THE GAME to attack Ironside *AND* myself. Divide it up 50/50 if you like.



    When Ironside flips scum, you must destroy Visorslash, and then Elite Ferret, in that order, and keep an eye on Alsark. Given what I know of Ironside now, it cannot be assumed that the events of last night weren't a deliberate alibi-creation device.

    And I have outed everyone in the Wind College. All of these people could have been my allies, and had been trusting me. So ask yourselves why, if I am scum, I didn't just accept the edse lynch today, and why I tossed all my college-mates to the wolves.




    I know it's unpalatable, but sometimes crazy old Pizzaman is right. It's time for someone to pay the piper, and if you lack the vision to determine which it is, I cordially invite you to hedge your bets.

    Also, after the game, someone owes me some congratulations for sniffing this plot out before it even happened. Have you ever seen someone do this in a game before? I freaking rule. You better believe it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy View Post
    Keep in mind,

    Elite Ferret is in the college of wind. He was recruited into the college a while back and recently got promoted. We had kind of a very difficult spat between us in our quicktopic, wherein I accused him of being scum. But Ironside talked me down from it.

    Ironside has promoted Elite Ferret. But he's also provided alibi for Alsark.

    I no longer trust Elite Ferret given his earlier behavior in the game, where he accused me of being scum over and over and over in private. But his actions today solidify it. He's definitely gotta be guilty.
    Just to clarify this for everyone: I was suspicious of ATPG's behaviour and mason claim (as I have already mentioned here) so I put those suspicions up in the quicktopic expecting ATPG to simply inform me of why they were false and how he wasn't mafia. If he was innocent this would have been easy to do. Instead he got agressive and pulled out an OMGUS accusation on me, saying that I must be scum for 'shooting down' his wonderful idea of giving the head of our rival college a useful item. His only reasoning was: "you're probably dangerous to the town given your anti-Earth attitude", which is ridiculous, especially as TinCow opposed it just as strongly as I did. I accused him of being mafia once, and he reacted waaay stronger than was needed.

    Ironside did not talk him out of it, in fact he actually agreed with ATPG. This line is a clear and pathetic attempt to make me and Ironside look cosy, to support his theory about us both being mafia. Everyone in the college of wind knows this is not true. Ironside has shown preference to ATPG at every opportunity, he was recruited before me, promoted to disciple before me, promoted to wielder before me and given the Lens instead of me.

    Quote Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy View Post
    Ironside, it's no question at all. Only Ironside could have framed Edse, or myself, and I hold the Askthepizzaguy card, and if you kill me, you'll get to see it.
    Yeah because you won't flip college of wind will you? It'll be something different.


    I'm not saying Ironside is innocent but unless ATPG flips innocent then there is no evidence against him whatsoever. ATPG has been acting suspiciously the entire game. Constantly wanting to raise his corruption 'to see what happens', always claiming he cannot be mafia because he was a mason. Almost every single action of his has aroused my suspicions. Ironside on the other hand has been an effective college head and not once, until edse-gate, had any thoughts of him being mafia crossed my mind.

    I propose we kill ATPG tonight, if he flips guilty then we move on. If he flips innocent then we lynch Ironside. If Ironside then flips innocent we are well and truly screwed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elite Ferret View Post
    I propose we kill ATPG tonight, if he flips guilty then we move on. If he flips innocent then we lynch Ironside. If Ironside then flips innocent we are well and truly screwed.
    I fear that we are dealing with the last scenario actually. I know I'm innocent and ATPG does appear to have scanned edse (av and dv matches). In light of that:

    'khaan, pick one (none of below is an option). It won't hurt. Much.

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    Now I don't mind me being wrong, so I'll prefer you taking down ATPG first. I'll be in permanent confirmable order lockdown anyway, so I can't do anything more than 1 unsupervised night action. And I would already do it tonight if I was scum.
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    Huh. Well I'll be darned. Guess there's some interesting decisions tonight.
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    Alright, so here's what we know to be true. ATPG scanned edse, got an Utterly Corrupted result, but edse flipped innocent. That means that either ATPG was lying about the result, or something interfered with the result. If something interfered with the result, odds are very high that someone who knew about the investigation plan was involved in skewing the scan. Otherwise, the odds of successfully predicting who a scan would be performed on on any particular night are very low. I don't think it's realistic that the scum would waste a night action this late in the game just randomly hoping that a scan would occur on a particular target. As ATPG has said, only three people knew about his plan to scan edse before it happened, him, me, and Ironside. I am dead and innocent; that leaves ATPG and Ironside. ATPG is correct that he was ordered to scan edse by Ironside, though he is incorrect that Ironside ordered that he be given the Lenses. That was actually my suggestion, and Ironside simply acquiesced to it.

    Before edse's lynch, I said that the second most likely option was that ATPG was scum, with Ironside-as-scum being the least likely option. In hindsight, that was because I thought it unlikely that edse would flip innocent, which was both prejudicing my perception of ATPG's argument and making me put relatively little effort into analysis of that scenario. Since that scenario is now reality, I cannot reach the same conclusion that I did before. ATPG's actions are absolutely insane if he is scum; by that I mean just plain dumb, not the usual ATPG being predictably unpredictable. When ATPG tries to frame someone, he doesn't do a lazy job that instantly points the finger at him as the obvious culprit once the frame-job is revealed, particularly in a game where that reveal is instantaneous. Ironside has done a superb job leading the Air college throughout this game and it is a shame it has to come to this, but I am forced to conclude that he was recruited and intentionally engineered this situation. I recommend that Ironside be attacked by pretty much everyone tonight. Ignore all other targets, just focus on him alone. I also recommend that you use Air to do those attacks, for reasons I cannot discuss.

    As a side note, this entire situation also makes me FoS: 'khaan. If one headmaster can be recruited, then so can another. If I was mafia, 'khaan would be recruitment target number one after the failure to kill him several nights before. I suggest that the Earth college perform some scrutiny on 'khaan's QT statements throughout the game, and see if you notice a shift in his behavior at any point.


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    Oh god! this is too good to let it pass!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Elite Ferret View Post
    I'm not saying Ironside is innocent but unless ATPG flips innocent then there is no evidence against him whatsoever. ATPG has been acting suspiciously the entire game. Constantly wanting to raise his corruption 'to see what happens', always claiming he cannot be mafia because he was a mason. Almost every single action of his has aroused my suspicions. Ironside on the other hand has been an effective college head and not once, until edse-gate, had any thoughts of him being mafia crossed my mind.
    He knew what was going to happen!! This is what happens! How much corruption do you got Atpg? Tell us how it feels?

    I really wish to be alive to perform the hit...
    returning to the shadows.....

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