View Poll Results: Should NATO be folded in favor of a European Union Defense Command?

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  • NATO should be folded in favor of a Unified European Defense Command

    8 33.33%
  • NATO should be folded, but no unified European comand is requied

    6 25.00%
  • NATO should be maintained as is.

    3 12.50%
  • NATO should be expanded to include all of NA and Europe.

    7 29.17%
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    Part-Time Polemic Senior Member ICantSpellDawg's Avatar
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    Default Re: Should NATO be folded in favor of a European Union unified command?

    Yes. If we were to wipe out a few land divisions in Crimea in the event that he doesn't leave after referendum, he may get the picture. The US government needs to meet extraterritorial Russian aggression with force. What would he do? We will secure Eastern Europe and destabilize Russia from within - we thought this could be done diplomatically, but clearly force is required.

    Putin is correct that this has become the plan, but he is incorrect that it was the plan all along.
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    Default Re: Should NATO be folded in favor of a European Union unified command?

    For the OP. I think it all depends on the point of view.

    If we look at the European capabilities at basic level. Europeans taking care of their own defense is completely viable.
    Total defense spending of EU countries is 274,213 billion, which is second only to US spending globally. Compared to Russia´s 90.7 billion it is almost three times larger. Those numbers also still exclude non EU countries from Europe like Norway and Switzerland.
    Thanks to NATO and other defense partnerships inside Europe. I do not see huge problems in building up an effective organisation and chain of command for European forces. Thus if we look at it from purely monetary and military point of view. European countries could quite effectively defend and even dominate their regional sphere.

    To me the problem currently is EU. EU lacks necessary democratic institutions and checks and balances, to be allowed to wield such power. Other problem is that if EU remains as it is and is essentially a cooperation institution between individual countries. Individual foreign policies of countries would most likely hamper effective cooperation in many cases.

    So in my view the biggest problem for mutual European military cooperation without NATO is that Europe is not at level of integration for such to happen. Thus for meantime NATO is best option for mutual defense of European countries as i do not see USA individually withdrawing from NATO as NATO is lead by it, while i think if i was from USA, that would be exactly what i would support.

    In the end i see NATO as best option for European countries for the moment and future unless there will be some drastic changes in EU, which would allow me to change my opinion. I hope my own country and Sweden would also apply for NATO, so the lines inside Europe would become less murky, but even in this current situation majority of my countrymen are against such..Thats democracy, we get what majority wants.

    EDIT: For those who voted for the last option. Should Russia also be in NATO as it is European country, while of course also Asian.
    Last edited by Kagemusha; 03-16-2014 at 18:24.
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