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    Just read the Gazzaniga interview Bunny linked to. This commenter gets it; I wonder if he had interacted with Bakker before the time of the posting (in 2011):

    Quote Originally Posted by rationalrevolution
    The concept of "free will" doesn't even make sense, even from a philosophical perspective. It was always a religious concept, embraced by Christianity as a way to explain away the obvious flaws with reality while placing none of the blame on a "perfect god". Within the Christian framework it is impossible for a perfect god to exist and to have created a perfect world if the world that we live in today is clearly imperfect, so "free will" was the scapegoat, to which all flaws in the world can be attributed. It served a similar role in Plato's philosophy.
    But at any rate, everything can only be either deterministic or random, that's it. If something isn't deterministic then it is random. Perhaps a system can operate with a mix of deterministic and random elements, but the random elements are still random.
    If any entity's actions are deterministic then we say they are not truly "free". However, if any individual's actions are not deterministic then they are random, in which case they are not a product of "will", nor, I would suggest, are they any more "free" than deterministic actions.
    This argument applies even if we move into the realm of souls, etc. the last bastion of "free willers". Even if you claim that the material world is deterministic, but a "human soul" makes decisions outside of the material world and "operates the mind" or something, the soul would still have to operate within the sphere of logic, its actions too would be either deterministic or random, what else could they be? The notion that lays of determinism yield a final product that is non-deterministic is just "ghost in the machine" lazy nonsense.

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    "Free will" is simply an illusion, created by the conscious observation of unconsciously determined actions. Because our consciousnesses is unaware of the origins of our actions, it perceives them as without having any origin at all, as arising spontaneously and "freely", as if by magic. It's just a trick due to our inability to determine the causes of our own actions.
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    I also just came across this:

    http://imgur.com/gallery/bwj7Mav

    It seems relevant.


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    Besides being addicted to torrents of meaningless word soup, this guy has the same problem these anti-free will, consciousness is an illusion types always have. They say that science shows that folk psychology is badly wrong, but pull their claims about what folk psychology is right out of their ass.

    It is not the least bit shocking that we are only conscious of a tiny fraction of the information the brain processes (38,000 trillion operations per second!!!!). Everyone knows this. Ask people if they can memorize something just by looking at it, they will say no. Ask them if they can follow two conversations at once while drawing a picture of something, they know it is impossible. Ask them to pat their head and rub their belly, for goodness sake. You can find individual factoids where people think something works a certain way and are wrong, but nothing like a "revolution in self-understanding unlike any in human history".

    Every athlete and sports pundit knows that to do well you have to react instinctively. You need "muscle memory" as they call it. Everyone knows that musicians learn music by heart so that they can play a complicated piece, and that orchestras rehearse so that they can all be in time with each other. It's ultimately as edgy as saying that I don't consciously choose to hit each key when I'm typing. duh, I don't suck at typing.

    People don't believe they are consciously deciding things all the time, and they really don't want that to be true. The like losing themselves in whatever they are doing. When in comes to moral behavior, they prefer to a have strong repulsion to doing something immoral, they want it to be a force of habit. It's very reassuring to know that you could never do certain things. Imagine going up to someone and saying "you believe you have free will and could murder a bunch of children if you chose to, but actually you couldn't!".

    If I am trying to diet, I may perhaps walk past a pastry shop and smell the donuts inside. I may go on "autopilot", walk inside, buy a donut and eat it, all without really making a conscious choice (only failing to consciously veto). Everyone knows this as well, everyone knows dieting is hard. What happens next is that you consciously think to yourself--next time I will do things differently. I will go a different way, I will ignore the smell, whatever. And this conscious decision effects your behavior. Moral teachers traditionally stress the importance of habits. There are dozens of scientific studies on the ways that conscious thought effects behavior (for example, athletes visualizing their performance and getting better as a result). They do so routinely, in a wide variety of ways, and very similarly to the way people believe they do. And if you tell people that their conscious decisions effect their behavior, and then tell them they don't have free will, they will think that you have contradicted yourself. You have to define "free" as "completely unconstrained" (or something like that) which isn't what the word means, isn't what people think, and isn't what they want to be true.

    The unconscious can take in single words (for example, "sit!") but cannot process sentences ("quit barking or I'll taze you again"). So if you give some complicated instructions to someone, and they follow them, it is proof that consciousness effects behavior. Claiming otherwise is about as scientific as those books on tape you can buy to listen to in your sleep and learn a new language.

    We all have had the experience of trying to remember something that we know that we know somewhere. You can try for ages and fail, sometimes you succeed. There are tricks and methods you can try. It's a mystery. But everyone knows that. Just saying that is not really interesting, so he takes a number of things like that and obfuscates like crazy and then claims it is revolutionary and overturns what we thought about free will and so on.

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    Meh I know I'm not always right or that I have free will.

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    but pull their claims about what folk psychology is right out of their ass.
    That's precisely what folk psychology is...

    The unconscious can take in single words (for example, "sit!") but cannot process sentences ("quit barking or I'll taze you again"). So if you give some complicated instructions to someone, and they follow them, it is proof that consciousness effects behavior. Claiming otherwise is about as scientific as those books on tape you can buy to listen to in your sleep and learn a new language.
    The fact that under normal circumstances we are conscious of larger than smaller amounts of information fits the BBT perfectly.

    Anyway, no one is saying that consciousness doesn't affect behavior - Bakker discusses how it does, in fact. You make the critical assumption - a mistaken one - that consciousness must be an agent, and that we are consciousnesses. The point is that consciousness is an extremely limited tool and, importantly, has nothing whatsoever to do with notions of free will, volition, agency, etc.

    Further, the fact that everyone knows implicitly what Bakker describes is only a strength. It's funny to say such things as 'Wow, he has so much evidence in favor of his theory that he must be wrong!', no?
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    Hrm, I really hope this doesnt turn into another excuse to be assholes. e.g. the republican's: "Greed is good" and "personal liberty is sacred aboove all else"
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    Some clown coming up with this much babble about a lack of free will is only looking for an excuse for his perversions and fascination with necrophilia.


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    Why necrophilia?
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    Simple deduction my dear Watson.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Fisherking View Post
    Some clown coming up with this much babble about a lack of free will is only looking for an excuse for his perversions and fascination with necrophilia.
    Well, can you say where your sexuality comes from and why exactly you like what you see/feel/hear? Most scientists seem to say that men just like curves because curvy females are usually fertile/copious (my non-nativeness shows here....). That would suggest that what attracts us is hard-programmed and just like some people are born with six fingers on one hand, some people can have different things they are attracted to I guess.

    Or maybe that's just me trying to justify my hideous perversions.


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    And I've meant to ask about this. What exactly does a "mic drop" signify?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Husar View Post
    Well, can you say where your sexuality comes from and why exactly you like what you see/feel/hear? Most scientists seem to say that men just like curves because curvy females are usually fertile/copious (my non-nativeness shows here....). That would suggest that what attracts us is hard-programmed and just like some people are born with six fingers on one hand, some people can have different things they are attracted to I guess.

    Or maybe that's just me trying to justify my hideous perversions.
    Well, if we are hard wired it really makes no difference, does it.

    On the other hand perhaps it is a very complex biological system based on concuss and unconscious signals and aesthetics.

    The argument of no free will harkens to the modern victim fascination and lack of personal responsibility. Blame you BIOS, blame your hardware. Nothing is really your fault.

    It reminds me of some movie where the police show up before you commit a crime, not trial at all, just guilty because they knew what was in you mind, or how you were hardwired.

    It would sure blow the hell out of the need for these discussions too. Why bother, thinks will just happen.


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    It would sure blow the hell out of the need for these discussions too. Why bother, thinks will just happen.
    But that's precisely why these discussions would continue.

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    Does this theory explicitly suggest or allude to a purpose for consciousness? Why it would arise evolutionary?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Viking View Post
    Does this theory explicitly suggest or allude to a purpose for consciousness? Why it would arise evolutionary?
    If we are all hardwired it would certainly speak against the need.

    On the other hand physics is finding even particles are affected by conscious observation and perhaps to some extent to the will of the observer.

    Distant particles also act in concert. This has lead some physicists to speculate that either all thing are conscious or there is a greater consciousness in the universe.


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    For now, read the first four pages of the linked paper in the OP, as conveniently excerpted in the first two quote-blocks in spoiler of the OP.

    I'll need to dig through his blog for the elaborations on this particular subject.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisherking
    If we are all hardwired it would certainly speak against the need.
    "Hardwired" is a very misleading term, even by analogy to electronics; better to say "soft-wired".

    As for the quantum physics of consciousness or causality, I am very suspicious of these popular 'meta-interpretations' I hear bandied about.

    However, I do admit to knowing nothing of the originating interpretations or the science underlying them; it all certainly needs to be taken into consideration for working out a full theory.

    Here's an interesting-looking to-read on the subject. I'll post the pdf if anyone is interested.
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    I have a particular aversion to thinking of all animate life as a bunch of meat robots. They are much more than automatons. Most would at least seem to be self-aware and apparently have free will. Many of there actions so far more than simple instinctual behavior.

    Several botanical experiments also point to plants having awareness.

    That may not point to free will but unusual animal friendships do point to much more than simple instinctual behavior.


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    Oh, right! It is instinctive for cats to turn on faucets, open doors, and flush toilets. The same for horses, and the odd things an octopus can do.

    Those are learned behaviors. Remember Koko, the gorilla that learned to read?


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    And I've meant to ask about this. What exactly does a "mic drop" signify?
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    If we are all hardwired it would certainly speak against the need.

    That's more or less what I was thinking about.

    If consciousness is favoured by natural selection, then consciousness either

    1. is a necessary byproduct of a sufficiently complex introspective (self-observant) algorithm
    2. adds something extra to an already introspective algorithm
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    Learned behaviors do not disprove the theory.

    The theory merely says that the conscious parts of the brain are fed with information by the rest of the brain but the conscious part cannot really influence what exactly that is. And every "decision" the conscious brain makes could be predetermined if the wiring of the brain and the input it has received are known. Learning a behaior would simply be an input that leads to a rewiring of parts of the brain. The next time that input is given then, the behavior can then be predetermined, which is actually the case with e.g. dogs. If you give a dog input that rewires its brain, you can then use that input again to get the same result, not that different from an automaton, or is it? All the slight variations can be explained by the multitude of other inputs which are different for every execution.

    When you stand in a supermarket and try to decide what you want to buy, you usually start out with a preference. Then you sort of wait and see whether anything shoots into your mind that makes you not choose the preferred product or else you go with your preference. Whether this something shoots into your conscious or not is either completely random or predetermined by the wiring of your brain but either way, since you cannot consciously influence whether this information enters your conscious or stays in the unconscious parts of the brain, you do not actually decide, your subconscious does.

    That's if I understood the theory correctly, Monty may want to correct me if I'm wrong.


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    I like thisallegory:

    A policeman sees a drunk man searching for something under a streetlight and asks what the drunk has lost. He says he lost his keys and they both look under the streetlight together. After a few minutes the policeman asks if he is sure he lost them here, and the drunk replies, no, that he lost them in the park. The policeman asks why he is searching here, and the drunk replies, "this is where the light is."
    Basically, consciousness is the streetlight and the drunkard, and there's literally no prior knowledge of the existence of a wider world beyond the streetlight. So, a pair of keys periodically appears beneath the streetlight, but with a cause outside the scope of the light; consequently, the drunkard picks up the keys, does his little celebration, and hands the cop the keys to bring to the car. Once the cop walks out of the light, though, the drunkard forgets he ever existed, and goes back to looking for his keys. Eventually the policeman comes over for another round, surreptitiously drops the keys again, the drunkard picks them up, the policeman collects them, etc.

    Quote Originally Posted by Viking
    If consciousness is favoured by natural selection, then consciousness either

    is a necessary byproduct of a sufficiently complex introspective (self-observant) algorithm
    Bakker suggests:

    What is more, our intuition/assumption of ‘volition’ may have no utility whatsoever and yet ‘function’ perfectly well, simply because it remains systematically related to what the brain is actually doing.
    Of course, he's only referring to the intentionality 'module' of consciousness in that line, but my impression is that Bakker suspects something like what you've said above, Viking, but reworded in this way:

    'Brains gather information on "distal" or "lateral" environments, meaning outside the body-organism. As time passes, some species see an evolutionary trajectory towards ever-more networks/matter directed towards this usage. Concomitantly, as distal circuits, or, following Ironside, Track-The-Environment-Systems (TTES) compound, some neurons, and eventually complex distributed networks, develop that collect "medial" information, or information on the larger structure of information-collecting networks, in other words Track-The-Brain-Systems (TTBS), or as Bakker calls it, the Recursive System (RS). But because tracking the trackers is such cognitively-expensive and complicated work, and there are relatively-few TTBS relative to TTES, these systems, though impactful on behavior (i.e. motoric impulses), can only process very limited kinds and quantities of information. As a result, Bakker claims, we get a brain that is almost entirely blind to itself, and "it is within that interval between almost and entirely where our experience of consciousness resides". The rest of the OP paper, in fact, goes on to describe how exactly the structure of this proposed RS/TTBS should give rise to the structure of consciousness, and therefore human experience.


    Tangent:

    What is lucid dreaming? Merely REM sleep in which the sensation of volition is operative (explaining the anomalous feeling of control) and there is relatively high attunement towards the external environment than is typical for sleep (explaining the possibility with communication outside of the dream during lucid dreaming).

    What is depersonalization? Merely the converse, that is, the loss or temporary disruption of the TTBS activity that produces the sensation of volition.

    Task for experimentalists (subjecting the theory to (in)validation:

    1. Ignore ethical standards in human experimentation.
    3. With tDCS or optogenetics, pilot a human through a maze while retaining TTBS function such that the subject completely is assured of his own 'participation' in solving the maze - while indisputably not being the case.
    3.a. Can be a simpler thing, such as raising an arm above the head, but I like the symbolism of the other idea.


    I'm gonna be a while in reviewing the blog thoroughly on the evolutionary question though, as well as on reviewing the quantum philosophy paper I linked. Not only is it a major holiday weekend in the US, but I'm starting a part-time engagement as a research assistant on Monday. Bear with me.
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    I admit, most of this stuff goes right over my head.
    I am glad that people are trying to open up the "black box" that exists in much of the discussion about the brain.

    A nice readable sketch of the matter is given here:

    http://www.consciousentities.com/?ta...d-brain-theory

    And a discussion of how to arrive at a philosophical approach:

    http://knowledge-ecology.com/2014/06...-scott-bakker/

    With apologies if I've simply re-posted stuff that was already addressed.
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    First full shifts of my life, and I wasn't kicked out.

    I'll get to Viking's request, hopefully later today.

    As for the "Unless we are robots..." paper: After reading a few pages, I became very suspicious, so I investigated the publishing journal a bit further.

    Turns out that NeuroQuantology is a home for pseudoscientist charlatans who insist on the veridicality of the paranormal, shamanism, psychic powers, near-death experiences, etc. - parapsychology, in other words.

    I call them charlatans not because they, like many misguided individuals, take up residence in the batshit-coated lofts of these notions, but that they claim experimental physics or biology can support them.

    Yet, despite the inherent limitation of science that prevents it, by its very nature, from investigating the supernatural (as well as, of course, the laws of causality, as metaphysics can elucidate science but science cannot elucidate metaphysics) - despite this, they insist on publishing such papers, and by individuals not evidently credentialled to even begin to discuss neuroscience or quantum physics outside of ghost-hunting television programs.

    Sure, it doesn't seem like every paper is like that, though it's certainly harmful to overall credibility to see papers published that assert a parallel between physicalists/materialists, Creationist evolution-deniers, and climate-change deniers! I mean, WTF? Utterly mendacious and incoherent comparison when the latter two deny empirical physical realities, and the former confirms them or their possibility while denying or disputing empirically-unsupportable claims...

    If you want to publish this type of shite, don't call yourself "NeuroQuantology". I can only suspect that the name is designed as a facade to lure in legitimate scientists in the relevant fields and influence them with these ideas.

    I guess it's not enough to target the typical audience that goes for this stuff, but to colonize the hard sciences with thinly-veiled spiritualism...

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    Sure, it doesn't seem like every paper is like that, though it's certainly harmful to overall credibility to see papers published that assert a parallel between physicalists/materialists, Creationist evolution-deniers, and climate-change deniers! I mean, WTF? Utterly mendacious and incoherent comparison when the latter two deny empirical physical realities, and the former confirms them or their possibility while denying or disputing empirically-unsupportable claims...
    The paper's called "The Antique Roadshow", and here's a real gem from it, really an extraordinarily-funny thing:

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    @Viking:

    Here's some stuff.

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    The Ptolemaic Restoration
    On the Blind Brain Theory, the subject-object paradigm is another one of these heuristics, which is to say, a way to effectively comport our organism to its environments absent certain kinds of information. Recapitulating distal (environmental) information exhausts the resources of the mechanisms involved. Recapitulating proximal (neural) information thus requires supplementary mechanisms, which, given the sheer complexity of the neural mechanisms required to recapitulate distal information, either need to be far more powerful than those mechanisms, or to settle for far less fidelity. More brain, in other words, is required for the brain to track itself the way it tracks its environments. Given the exorbitant metabolic expense (not to mention the absence of direct evolutionary pressures) of such secondary tracking systems, it should come as no surprise that the brain suffers medial neglect, a wholesale inability to track its own functions. This is why the neurofunctional context of any information integrated into conscious cognition (the way it is actually utilized) escapes conscious cognition–why, in other words, experience is ‘transparent.’ This is why we perceive objects while remaining almost utterly blind to the machinery of perception. And this is why our sense of subjectivity is so granular, ineffable, and mysterious. The usurious expense of proximal cognition imposes drastic constraints on our metacognitive capacities, constraints that themselves utterly escape metacognition.

    The subject-object paradigm is a heuristic solution according to BBT, a way for the brain to maximize cognitive effectiveness while minimizing metabolic costs. So long as the medial mechanisms involved in the recapitulation of environmental information do not impact the environment tracked, then medial neglect possesses no immediate liabilities and leverages tremendous gains in efficiency. Our brains can track various causal systems in its environment without having to account for any interference generated by the systems doing the tracking. But as soon as those tracking systems do impact their targets–as soon as observation finds itself functionally entangled with its targets–cognition quickly becomes difficult if not impossible. In such instances it must track effects that it cannot, given the occlusion of its own causal activities (medial neglect), situate within the causal nexus of any natural environment. As a heuristic, the subject-object paradigm is not a universal problem solver, though the only-game-in-town illusion (sufficiency) means metacognition is bound to intuit it as such. This explains, not only why we continue to find experience mysterious even as our environmental cognition presses to the asymptotic limits of particle physics and cosmology, but also why those perplexities take the shape they do.

    Subject-object cognition, thanks to medial neglect, is utterly incapable of producing genuine theoretical metacognition. Given the subject-object paradigm, the brain remains a necessary blind-spot, something that it can only cognize otherwise. Thus the invisibility of activity, and the epochal nature of Kant’s critical insight. Thus the default nature of dogmatic philosophy, why millennia of errant groping were required before realizing that we were not, as far as cognition was concerned, out of play.
    The Post-Human As Evolution 3.0
    Aphorism of the Day: Knowing that you know that I know that you know, we should perhaps, you know, spark a doob and like, call the whole thing off.

    So for years now I’ve had this pet way of understanding evolution in terms of effect feedback (EF) mechanisms, structures whose functions produce effects that alter the original structure. Morphological effect feedback mechanisms started the show: DNA and reproductive mutation (and other mechanisms) allowed adaptive, informatic reorganization according to the environmental effectiveness of various morphological outputs. Life’s great invention, as they say, was death.

    This original EF process was slow, and adaptive reorganization was transgenerational. At a certain point, however, morphological outputs became sophisticated enough to enable a secondary, intragenerational EF process, what might be called behavioural effect feedback. At this level, the central nervous system, rather than DNA, was the site of adaptive reorganization, producing behavioural outputs that are selected or extinguished according to their effectiveness in situ.

    For whatever reason, I decided to plug the notion of the posthuman into this framework the other day. The idea was that the evolution from Morphological EF to Behavioural EF follows a predictable course, one that, given the proper analysis, could possibly tell us what to expect from the posthuman. The question I had in my head when I began this was whether we were groping our way to some entirely new EF platform, something that could effect adaptive, informatic reorganization beyond morphology and behaviour.

    First, consider some of the key differences between the processes:

    Morphological EF is transgenerational, whereas Behavioural EF is circumstantial – as I mentioned above. Adaptive informatic reorganization is therefore periodic and inflexible in the former case, and relatively continuous and flexible in the latter. In other words, morphology is circumstantially static, while behaviour is circumstantially plastic.

    Morphological EF operates as a fundamental physiological generative (in the case of the brain) and performative (in the case of the body) constraint on Behavioural EF. Our brains limit the behaviours we can conceive, and our bodies limit the behaviours we can perform.

    Morphologies and their generators (genetic codes) are functionally inseparable, while behaviours and their generators (brains) are functionally separable. Behaviours are disposable.

    Defined in these terms, the posthuman is simply the point where neural adaptive reorganization generates behaviours (in this case, tool-making) such that morphological EF ceases to be a periodic and inflexible physiological generative and performative constraint on behavioural EF. Put differently, the posthuman is the point where morphology becomes circumstantially plastic. You could say tools, which allow us to circumvent morphological constraints on behaviour, have already accomplished this. Spades make for deeper ditches. Writing makes for bottomless memories. But tool-use is clearly a transitional step, ways to accessorize a morphology that itself remains circumstantially static. The posthuman is the point where we put our body on the lathe (with the rest of our tools).

    In a strange, teleonomic sense, you could say that the process is one of effect feedback bootstrapping, where behaviour revolutionizes morphology, which revolutionizes behaviour, which revolutionizes morphology, and so on. We are not so much witnessing the collapse of morphology into behaviour as the acceleration of the circuit between the two approaching some kind of asymptotic limit that we cannot imagine. What happens when the mouth of behaviour after digesting the tail and spine of morphology, finally consumes the head?

    What’s at stake, in other words, is nothing other than the fundamental EF structure of life itself. It makes my head spin, trying to fathom what might arise in its place.

    Some more crazy thoughts falling out of this:

    1) The posthuman is clearly an evolutionary event. We just need to switch to the register of information to see this. We’re accustomed to being told that dramatic evolutionary changes outrun our human frame of reference, which is just another way of saying that we generally think of evolution as something that doesn’t touch us. This was why, I think, I’ve been thinking the posthuman by analogy to the Enlightenment, which is to say, as primarily a cultural event distinguished by a certain breakdown in material constraints. No longer. Now I see it as an evolutionary event literally on par with the development of Morphological and Behavioural EF. As perhaps I should have all along, given that posthuman enthusiasts like Kurzweil go on and on about the death of death, which is to say, the obsolescence of a fundamental evolutionary invention.

    2) The posthuman is not a human event. We may be the thin edge of the wedge, but every great transformation in evolution drags the whole biosphere in tow. The posthuman is arguably more profound than the development of multicellular life.

    3) The posthuman, therefore, need not directly involve us. AI could be the primary vehicle.

    4) Calling our descendents ‘transhuman’ makes even less sense than calling birds ‘transdinosaurs.’

    5) It reveals posthuman optimism for the wishful thinking it is. If this transformation doesn’t warrant existential alarm, what on earth does?
    The Philosopher, The Drunk, and the Lamppost
    Cognitive neuroscience is nowhere close to any decisive picture of abstract metacognition, but hopefully the philosophical moral of the research should be clear: whatever theoretical metacognition is, it is neurobiological. And this is just to say that the nature of philosophical reflection—in the form of say, ‘making things explicit,’ or what have you—is not something that philosophical reflection on ‘conscious experience’ can solve! Dehaene’s law applies as much to metacognition as to any other metacognitive process—as we should expect, given the cortical bottleneck and what we know of the [rostrolateral prefrontal cortex]. Information is promoted for stabilization and broadcast from nonconscious parallel swarms to be consumed by nonconscious parallel swarms, which include the rlPFC, which in turn somehow informs further stabilizations and broadcasts. What we presently ‘experience,’ the well from which our intentional claims are drawn, somehow comprises the serial ‘stabilization and broadcast’ portion of this process—and nothing else.

    The rlPFC is an evolutionary artifact, something our ancestors developed over generations of practical problem-solving. It is part and parcel of the most complicated (not to mention expensive) organ known. Assume, for the moment, that the rlPFC is the place where the magic happens, the part of the ruminating philosopher’s brain where ‘accurate intuitions’ of the ‘nature of mind and thought’ arise allowing for verbal report. (The situation is without a doubt far more complicated, but since complication is precisely the problem the philosopher faces, this example actually does them a favour). There’s no way the rlPFC could assist in accurately cognizing its own function—another rlPFC would be required to do that, requiring a third rlPFC, and so on and so on. In fact, there’s no way the brain could directly cognize its own activities in any high-dimensionally accurate way. What the rlPFC does instead—obviously one would think—is process information for behaviour. It has to earn its keep after all! Given this, one should expect that it is adapted to process information that is itself adapted to solve the kinds of behaviourally related problems faced by our ancestors, that it consists of ad hoc structures processing ad hoc information.

    Philosophy is quite obviously an exaptation of the capacities possessed by the rlPFC (and the systems of which it is part), the learned application of metacognitive capacities originally adapted to solve practical behavioural problems to theoretical problems possessing radically different requirements—such as accuracy, the ability to not simply use a cognitive tool, but to be able to reliably determine what that cognitive tool is.

    Even granting the intentionalist their spooky functional order, are we to suppose, given everything considered, that we just happened to have evolved the capacity to accurately intuit this elusive functional order? Seems a stretch. The far more plausible answer is that this exaptation, relying as it does on scarce and specialized information, was doomed from the outset to get far more things wrong than right (as the ancient skeptics insisted!). The far more plausible answer is that our metacognitive capacity is as radically heuristic as cognitive science suggests. Think of the scholastic jungle that is analytic and continental philosophy. Or think of the yawning legitimacy gap between mathematics (exaptation gone right) versus the philosophy of mathematics (exaptation gone wrong). The oh so familiar criticisms of philosophy, that it is impractical, disconnected from reality, incapable of arbitrating its controversies—in short, that it does not decisively solve—are precisely the kinds of problems we might expect, were philosophical reflection an artifact of an exaptation gone wrong.

    On my account it is wildly implausible that any design paradigm like evolution could deliver the kind of cognition intentionalism requires. Evolution solves difficult problems heuristically: opportunistic fixes are gradually sculpted by various contingent frequencies in its environment, which in our case, were thoroughly social. Since the brain is the most difficult problem any brain could possibly face, we can assume the heuristics our brain relies on to cognize other brains will be specialized, and that the heuristics it uses to cognize itself will be even more specialized still. Part of this specialization will involve the ability to solve problems absent any causal information: there is simply no way the human brain can cognize itself the way it cognizes its natural environment. Is it really any surprise that causal information would scuttle problem-solving adapted to solve in its absence? And given our blindness to the heuristic nature of the systems involved, is it any surprise that we would be confounded by this incompatibility for as long as we have?

    [...]

    Could the whole of intentional philosophy amount to varieties of story-telling, ‘theory-narratives’ that are compelling to their authors precisely to the degree they are underdetermined? The problem as Kahneman outlines it is twofold. For one, “[t]he human mind does not deal well with nonevents” (200) simply because unavailable information is information that makes no difference. This is why deception, or any instance of controlling information availability, allows us to manipulate our fellow drunks so easily. For another, “[c]onfidence is a feeling, which reflects the coherence of the information and the cognitive ease of processing it,” and “not a reasoned evaluation of the probability that this judgment is correct” (212). So all that time I was reading Heidegger nodding, certain that I was getting close to finding the key, I was simply confirming parochial assumptions. Once I had bought in, coherence was automatic, and the inferences came easy. Heidegger had to be right—the key had to be beneath his lamppost—simply because it all made so much remembered sense ‘upon reflection.’

    Could it really be as simple as this? Now given philosophers’ continued insistence on making claims despite their manifest institutional incapacity to decisively arbitrate any of them, neglect is certainly a plausible possibility. But the fact is this is precisely the kind of problem we should expect given that philosophical reflection is an exaptation of pre-existing cognitive capacities.

    Why? Because what researchers term ‘error awareness,’ like every other human cognitive capacity, does not come cheap. To be sure, the evolutionary premium on error-detection is high to the extent that adaptive behaviour is impossible otherwise. It is part and parcel of cognition. But philosophical reflection is, once again, an exaptation of pre-existing metacognitive capacities, a form of problem-solving that has no evolutionary precedent. Research has shown that metacognitive error-awareness is often problematic even when applied to problems, such as assessing memory accuracy or behavioural competence in retrospect, that it has likely evolved to solve. [See, Wessel, “Error awareness and the error-related negativity: evaluating the first decade of evidence,” Front Hum Neurosci. 2012; 6: 88. doi: 10.3389/fnhum.2012.00088, for a GNW related review] So if conscious error-awareness is hit or miss regarding adaptive activities, we should expect that, barring some cosmic stroke of evolutionary good fortune, it pretty much eludes philosophical reflection altogether. Is it really surprising that the only erroneous intuitions philosophers seem to detect with any regularity are those belonging to their peers?

    We’re used to thinking of deficits in self-awareness in pathological terms, as something pertaining to brain trauma. But the picture emerging from cognitive science is positively filled with instances of non-pathological neglect, metacognitive deficits that exist by virtue of our constitution. The same way researchers can game the heuristic components of vision to generate any number of different visual illusions, experimentalists are learning how to game the heuristic components of cognition to isolate any number of cognitive illusions, ways in which our problem-solving goes awry without the least conscious awareness. In each of these cases, neglect plays a central role in explaining the behaviour of the subjects under scrutiny, the same way clinicians use neglect to explain the behaviour of their impaired patients.

    Pathological neglect strikes us as so catastrophically consequential in clinical settings simply because of the behavioural aberrations of those suffering it. Not only does it make a profoundly visible difference, it makes a difference that we can only understand mechanistically. It quite literally knocks individuals from the problem-ecology belonging to socio-cognition into the problem-ecologies belonging to natural cognition. Socio-cognition, as radically heuristic, leans heavily on access to certain environmental information to function properly. Pathological neglect denies us that information.

    Non-pathological neglect, on the other hand, completely eludes us because, insofar as we share the same neurophysiology, we share the same ‘neglect structure.’ The neglect suffered is both collective and adaptive. As a result, we only glimpse it here and there, and are more cued to resolve the problems it generates than ponder the deficits in self-awareness responsible. We require elaborate experimental contexts to draw it into sharp focus.

    All Blind Brain Theory does is provide a general theoretical framework for these disparate findings, one that can be extended to a great number of traditional philosophical problems—including the holy grail, the naturalization of intentionality. As of yet, the possibility of such a framework remains at most an inkling to those at the forefront of the field (something that only speculative fiction authors dare consider!) but it is a growing one. Non-pathological neglect is not only a fact, it is ubiquitous. Conceptualized the proper way, it possesses a very parsimonious means of dispatching with a great number of ancient and new conundrums…
    The Asimov Illusion
    Initially, the structure of life ruled the dynamics. What an organism could do was tightly constrained by what the organism was. Evolution selected between various structures according to their dynamic capacities. Structures that maximized dynamics eventually stole the show, culminating in the human brain, whose structural plasticity allowed for the in situ, as opposed to intergenerational, testing and selection of dynamics—for ‘behavioural evolution.’
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    Quite a lot of data to digest, there - but I did not see any argument for the necessity of consciousness.

    It's one thing to suggest which space consciousness comes from/occupies, quite another thing to suggest what it is.

    Is there a universal threshold for the complexity of an algorithm above which consciousness will necessarily arise? Which is to say, if I spend this night creating a massive script that can track itself (like with debugging data for actual scripts out there), will it be conscious while it runs?

    Of course, a threshold seems like a too simplistic model - I would expect a gradient. But then again, what should "low-level consciousness" and "high-level consciousness" be like? Patchy consciousness vs continuous consciousness?
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    but I did not see any argument for the necessity of consciousness.
    Well, he implicitly goes with the opposite, actually. That is, he assumes consciousness will develop only with difficulty, and that "low-level" consciousness will be the only extant sort because of the "exorbitant metabolic expense".

    Of course, a threshold seems like a too simplistic model - I would expect a gradient. But then again, what should "low-level consciousness" and "high-level consciousness" be like? Patchy consciousness vs continuous consciousness?
    The only place where he discusses that in particular is a rather old lecture, so I didn't include it before:

    Consider what might be called the ‘Bottleneck Thesis,’ which might be expressed as: we are natural in such a way that it is impossible to fully conceive of ourselves as natural. In other words, we are our brains in such a way that we can only understand ourselves as something other than our brains. Expressed in this way, the thesis is not overtly contradictory. It possesses an ontological component, that we are fundamentally ‘physical’ (whatever this means), and an epistemological component, that we cannot know ourselves as such. The plank in reason breaks when we probe the significance of the claim–step inside it as it were. If we cannot understand ourselves as natural, then we must understand ourselves as something else. And indeed we do, as we must, understand ourselves as agents, knowers, sinners, and so on. We may define this ‘something else’ in any number of ways, but they all share one thing in common: a commitment to a spooky bottomless ontology, be it social, existential, or otherwise, that is fundamentally incompatible with naturalism. We can disenchant the world, but not ourselves.

    Although not contradictory, the Bottleneck Thesis does place us in a powerful cognitive double-bind. Despite the sheen of philosophical respectability, when we speak of the irreducibility of consciousness and norms as a way to secure the priority of life-worlds and language-games as ‘unexplained explainers,’ we are claiming an exemption from the natural. How could this not be tendentious? The only thing that separates our supra-natural posits from supernatural things such as souls, angels, and psychic abilities is the rigour of our philosophical rationale. Not a comforting thought, given philosophy’s track record. Moreover, these supra-natural posits are in fact fundamentally natural. Their apparent irreducibility is merely a subreptive artifact of our natural inability to understand them as such in the first instance. But then, once again, the only way we can assert this is by presupposing the very irreducibility we are attempting to explain away. We simply cannot be fundamentally natural because of the way we are fundamentally natural.

    Given the absurdity of this, should we not just dismiss the Bottleneck out of hand? Perhaps, but at least two considerations should give us pause.

    First, there is a sense in which the Bottleneck Thesis is justified as an inference to the best explanation for the cognitive disarray that is our bread and butter.

    Say sentients belonging to an advanced alien civilization found some dead human astronauts and studied their neurophysiology. Say these sentients were similar to us in every physiological respect save that evolution was far kinder to them, allowing them to neurophysiologically process their own neurophysiology the way they process environmental inputs, such that for them introspection was a viable mode of scientific investigation. Where we simply see trees in the first instance, they see trees as neurophysiological results in the first instance.

    Studying the astronauts, these alien researchers discover a whole array of neuro-functional similarities, so that they can reliably conclude that this does that and that does this and so on. The primary difference they find, however, is that our thalamocortical systems have a relatively limited information horizon. After intensive debate they conclude that humans brains likely lack the ability to process themselves as something belonging to the causal order of their environment. Human brains, they realize, probably understand themselves in noncausal terms. They then begin speculating about what it would be like to be human. What, they wonder, would noncausal phenomenal awareness look like? They cannot imagine this, so they shift to less taxing speculations.

    On the issue of human self-understanding, the alien researchers suggest that with the early development of their scientific understanding, humans, remarkably, would begin to see themselves as an exception to the natural order of things, as something apart from their brains, and would be unable, no matter what the evidence to the contrary, to divest themselves of the intuition. ‘There would be much controversy’ they suggest, ‘regarding what they are.’

    On the issue of social coordination, the alien researchers conclude that humans would be forced to specify their behaviours in noncausal terms, as behaviour somehow exempt from the etiology of behaviour, and as a result would be unable to reconcile this intuitive understanding with their scientific understanding of the world. Given that humans are capable of scientific understanding (the specimens were, after all, astronauts), the aliens assume humans would perhaps attempt to regiment their understanding of their behaviour in a scientific manner, perhaps elaborate a kind of ‘noncausal ethology’ (what we call ‘psychology’), but they would be perpetually perplexed by their inability to reconcile that understanding with their science proper.

    Human understanding of their linguistic behavioural outputs, the alien researchers assume, would likewise be characterized by confusion. Once again the human’s intuitive understanding would be noncausal, and given the maturation of their science, they might begin to question the reality of their hardwired default assumptions–their ‘intuitive sense’ of what was happening as far as language was concerned. ‘There might be some noncausal X,’ the aliens conclude, ‘that for them constitutes the heart of their immediate linguistic understanding, but it would seem to vanish every time they searched for it.’ (The X here, of course, would be what we call ‘aboutness’). Some more daring researchers suggest humans might eventually abandon this X, attempt to understand language in thoroughly terms. But this would provide no escape from their dilemma, since such an understanding would seem to elide obvious phenomenal features that not only seem to belong to language, but to be constitutive of it. (And here, of course, I’m talking about normativity).

    And so the aliens continue speculating, all the while marvelling at the poor blinkered creatures, and at the capricious whim of evolutionary fate that perpetually prevents them from effectively rationalizing their neurophysiological resources.

    Is this story that farfetched? Could aliens, given intact specimens, predict things like the mind/body problem, the problem of moral cognitivism, the problem of meaning, and the like? With enough patience and ingenuity, I suspect they could. The Bottleneck Thesis, I think, provides the framework for a very plausible explanation of the intractable difficulties associated with these and other issues. The theoretical uroboros of the intentional and the physical, the human and the natural, has a long and hoary history, repeated time and again in drastically different forms through a variety of contexts. It is as though we continually find ourselves, in Foucault’s evocative words, at once “bound to the back of a tiger” and “in the place belonging to the king.” This apparent paradox is a fact of our intellectual history, one that requires explanation.

    As an adjunct to the Blind Brain Hypothesis, the Bottleneck Thesis not only explains why we seem to have so much difficulty with intentional phenomena in general, it explains why those difficulties take the forms they do across an array of different manifestations.

    The second thing that should give us pause before rejecting the Bottleneck Thesis is that it constitutes a bet made on a eminently plausible neuro-evolutionary hypothesis: that our neurophysiology did not evolve to process itself the way it processes environmental inputs–that our brains are blind to themselves as brains. Given evolution’s penchant for shortcuts and morphological malapropisms, the possibility of such a neurophysiologically entrenched blind-spot, although grounds for consternation, should not be grounds for surprise. So we have evolved, and so long as we continue to reproduce, our genes simply will not give a damn. It would be pie-eyed optimism to assume otherwise.

    There are cogent empirical and conceptual grounds, then, to think the Bottleneck Thesis might be true. And short of actually discovering intentionality in nature, there is no way to rule it out as a possibility. Certainly the absurdity of its consequences cannot tell against it, because such absurdity is precisely what one would expect given the truth of the Bottleneck. If we have in fact evolved in such a way that we cannot understand ourselves as part of nature, then we should expect to be afflicted by cognitive difficulties at crucial junctures in our thought.
    TLDR: where we see trees in a forest as complete in and of themselves, the 'super-conscious' aliens would see how the trees as that sort of result are constructed neurophysiologically, step-by-step,neuron-by-neuron. Introspection for these aliens would be the equivalent of, I don't know, the LHC for us.

    Bakker of course acknowledges that these aliens are an idealization meant to draw out the characteristics of a 'complete/perfect' consciousness, and that due to the problem of infinite regress no such entity could really exist.
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    Well, he implicitly goes with the opposite, actually. That is, he assumes consciousness will develop only with difficulty, and that "low-level" consciousness will be the only extant sort because of the "exorbitant metabolic expense".
    I am thinking about the fact that in theory, I can create a near-clone of myself that both will and can do everything I can, but who differs from me in some crucial way(s) that makes it non-conscious. I.e. it would be able to type this exact post, but not knowing that it was doing so any more than we expect a bacteria to know it's alive.

    Why couldn't humans be as intelligent and social as they are without being conscious?
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