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[HoreTore]

[QUOTE=Fragony;2053619257]

god Fragony you get worse as time goes on...

South Africa is no 1 most dangerous in the world for Rape - Sweeden is no 6 and the rest of the Scandinavian Countries are in the 20's - for comparison the US is 14th

/QUOTE]

i know that, that is why it's such a great thing to say. Numbef six, wow, almost seems like Sweden doesn't has a problem.

And we all know who does it, don't lie, you know

Immigrants are in a clear majority.

In one of the rape categories.

The category which in 2012 consisted of 29 rapes in Norway. Out of 10.000 or something(1500ish reported).

Yeah, clearly it's dem dirty moslems who are doin' it. The top rapists in Norway and Sweden are.... *drumroll*

1. Daddy.(or uncle, or friend of the family, or that nice man who lives next door who is really good with kids, or - you get the point)
2. Me. (or male friend between the age of 20 and 40 who may or may not have sexual relations with the victim in the past)
3. The boyfriend. Current or recently ex'ed.

Sorry Frags, but kicking out the brownies won't do much. Yup, immigrants certainly do account for a slightly higher percentage of rapists than the average population, which is to be excepted as they come from areas where feminism is non-existent. But unfortunately for you, they are not a major factor. The undisputed top 3, the dad, the friend and the boyfriend, are usually ethnically Norwegian or Swedish. Which is unsurprising, as the vast majority of dads, friends and boyfriends are Swedes or Norwegians.

There is one clear difference between an immigrant rapist and a native rapist though: the immigrant is sent to prison. If I choose to rape someone, I won't go to prison.

[Strike For The South]

I think the real question is why do these sons of immigrants feel isolated from a society that they were supposed to readily assimilate to?

Its strange that European migrants (Poles and Serbs, generally) don't seem to have a hankering for the old country like these guys do. Why is Muslim extremism basically negligible in America?

[Husar]

I think the real question is why do these sons of immigrants feel isolated from a society that they were supposed to readily assimilate to?

Its strange that European migrants (Poles and Serbs, generally) don't seem to have a hankering for the old country like these guys do. Why is Muslim extremism basically negligible in America?

Doesn't that depend on a lot of factors? We do have some problems with the treatment of refugees and some immigrants, we had people migrate here who were working class while the US usually lets more educated, higher class people in. You're also not always on the friendliest terms with the working class people who come in anyway. And the Poles and Serbs who migrate to america probably love America even before they arrive there, just like a lot of the other Europeans who migrate to America because it's obviously a better continent from an objective point of view.

[Ironside]

I'd not call them "progressive", more like "draconian" where accusation is almost proof of itself.

With a 1,7% conviction rate (108 out of 6 320)? Cases going to court was 169, or 64% conviction rate. Normal conviction rate is in courts are appearently 95% (the selection evidently occurs earlier in the case process).

The extended definition of rape is eating into what other countries classify as sexual assult.

[Sarmatian]

I think the real question is why do these sons of immigrants feel isolated from a society that they were supposed to readily assimilate to?

Its strange that European migrants (Poles and Serbs, generally) don't seem to have a hankering for the old country like these guys do. Why is Muslim extremism basically negligible in America?

A year ago or so I thought of moving somewhere else, and naturally I asked around about experiences of other people who moved to other countries. An overwhelming majority advised me to move to Canada or Australia, and a slightly lesser extent to US, and almost everyone advised against moving to some European country. They told me that whichever country I choose in Europe - Germany, Austria, Switzerland, England, France, Scandinavian countries... - I will be a second class citizen in that country for the rest of my life, and that, at best, my children will be treated as normal citizens.

With that in mind, I'm inclined to agree that problem is with host countries rather than immigrants.

[rory_20_uk]

In the UK from my experience as long as people speak English then things are OK. The less accent the better as a rule - but especially in cities there is a large percentage with an accent so it makes little difference. Note that a large percentage of persons who are born in the UK are second class citizens (at best).

Where do these people live who suggested Canada or Australia, and who warned off against Europe? Were most in Europe and hence disillusioned that everything wasn't perfect, and that if only they'd gone further everything would have been oh so perfect?

People who think the problem is the other lot and not themselves. Well, that's a shock! I'm amazed that the host countries aren't thrilled to have such a positive bunch; and finally - why have they not left if it is so horrible?

[Fragony]

[QUOTE=HoreTore;2053619278]

Immigrants are in a clear majority.

In one of the rape categories.

The category which in 2012 consisted of 29 rapes in Norway. Out of 10.000 or something(1500ish reported).

Yeah, clearly it's dem dirty moslems who are doin' it. The top rapists in Norway and Sweden are.... *drumroll*

1. Daddy.(or uncle, or friend of the family, or that nice man who lives next door who is really good with kids, or - you get the point)
2. Me. (or male friend between the age of 20 and 40 who may or may not have sexual relations with the victim in the past)
3. The boyfriend. Current or recently ex'ed.

Sorry Frags, but kicking out the brownies won't do much. Yup, immigrants certainly do account for a slightly higher percentage of rapists than the average population, which is to be excepted as they come from areas where feminism is non-existent. But unfortunately for you, they are not a major factor. The undisputed top 3, the dad, the friend and the boyfriend, are usually ethnically Norwegian or Swedish. Which is unsurprising, as the vast majority of dads, friends and boyfriends are Swedes or Norwegians.

There is one clear difference between an immigrant rapist and a native rapist though: the immigrant is sent to prison. If I choose to rape someone, I won't go to prison.

Yes there is a difference between home abuse and assault rape. ALL recorded assault rapes, hey let's grab the slut .Let's not even begin at about the position of their own women. Resorts here are absolutily packed with muslim women, and that are just the brave ones.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWWrpv-pbuc

All.

[HoreTore]

[QUOTE=Fragony;2053619325]

Yes there is a difference between home abuse and assault rape. ALL recorded assault rapes, hey let's grab the slut .Let's not even begin at about the position of their own women. Resorts here are absolutily packed with muslim women, and that are just the brave ones.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWWrpv-pbuc

All.

Yes, all assault rapes were committed by immigrants.

All 29.

Oh, the humanity!

Except that it wasn't all, of course, but that's a point for another day....

EDIT: Sorry, I mixed up numbers. 29 is the number of assault rapes in Oslo. The number for the entire country is 94. We are clearly worse than SA.

And of the 40 men suspected of or convicted of assault rape, 21 are "non-north European", while 19 are described as "north-european". Unless by "all" you mean "slightly more than half", the statement is utterly false. Or are you thinking of those horrible brits, comin' o'er 'ere rapin' our wimminz?

[HoreTore]

With a 1,7% conviction rate (108 out of 6 320)? Cases going to court was 169, or 64% conviction rate. Normal conviction rate is in courts are appearently 95% (the selection evidently occurs earlier in the case process).

The extended definition of rape is eating into what other countries classify as sexual assult.

The early 2000's massive bump in the number of reported rapes was due to reclassifying* pedo crimes as rape, IIRC.

*in the statistics, that is

[Fragony]

[QUOTE=HoreTore;2053619330]

Yes, all assault rapes were committed by immigrants.

All 29.

Oh, the humanity!

Except that it wasn't all, of course, but that's a point for another day....

EDIT: Sorry, I mixed up numbers. 29 is the number of assault rapes in Oslo. The number for the entire country is 94.

Look away all you want, Horrie. The number is much much higher, Norway and Sweden are the rape-capitals of the western world. I have family in Oslo and they (daughters) are too afraid of muslim immigrants to go outside, especially when it's dark. It are always the same who haress them. That is the same everywhere but in Norway and Sweden it is rampant.

[HoreTore]

Look away all you want, Horrie. The number is much much higher, Norway and Sweden are the rape-capitals of the western world. I have family in Oslo and their are too afraid of muslim immigrants to go outside, especially when it's dark. It are always the same who haress them. That is the same everywhere but in Norway and Sweden it is rampant.

I've lived my entire life in the areas you're talking about*, Frags, and your family is just timid. I regularly stumble up and down Grünerløkka(where Mullah Krekar lives/lived) shit drunk at 5 in the morning.

I note that you claim a number, but fail to back it up in any way whatsoever. Including giving a specific number. I am not surprised. Do continue living with your illusions.


*most of my life next to the "ghetto" in Drammen(Fjell) and 3 years in Holmlia, working the night shift

[Fragony]

Sure Horrie, tell yourself that there absolutily nothing wrong with the mass-immigration of muslims. Nothing to see here move along. Kadahar probably has something to say to you but he doesn't like talking to you, he will say the exact same thing

And of course they are timid, they stand no chance against 4 grown men who are hissing at them

[HoreTore]

Sure Horrie, tell yourself that there absolutily nothing wrong with the mass-immigration of muslims. Nothing to see here move along. Kadahar probably has something to say to you but he doesn't like talking to you, he will say the exact same thing

This post contains a grand total of:

0 pieces of evidence.

Not even a low-def youtube vid put together by some blogger. I am disappoint.

[Sarmatian]

In the UK from my experience as long as people speak English then things are OK. The less accent the better as a rule - but especially in cities there is a large percentage with an accent so it makes little difference. Note that a large percentage of persons who are born in the UK are second class citizens (at best).

Where do these people live who suggested Canada or Australia, and who warned off against Europe? Were most in Europe and hence disillusioned that everything wasn't perfect, and that if only they'd gone further everything would have been oh so perfect?

People who think the problem is the other lot and not themselves. Well, that's a shock! I'm amazed that the host countries aren't thrilled to have such a positive bunch; and finally - why have they not left if it is so horrible?

I only repeat what I've been told. And that's the experience of Serbs, and other people from former Yugoslavia, which makes the problem only more evident. A Serb in England would go to work, preferably from 9 to 5, go have a few beers in the evening and go see a footy match on weekends. On Sunday, as most Brits, he'd worship sleeping longer. If it weren't for the accent, it would be quite hard to notice him in any way.

I can only imagine how much harder would it be for someone much different cultural background and physical appearance, like an Arab.

Countries in Europe tend to be still nationalistic. People won't assimilate if they don't feel at home. That's the difference between a European country and an immigrant country, like Canada, Australia and US.

[Sir Moody]

Look away all you want, Horrie. The number is much much higher, Norway and Sweden are the rape-capitals of the western world. I have family in Oslo and they (daughters) are too afraid of muslim immigrants to go outside, especially when it's dark. It are always the same who haress them. That is the same everywhere but in Norway and Sweden it is rampant.

Frag I already pointed out to you Norway is 24th while USA is 14th - stop harassing Horetore with statements which are so easy to disprove

[Pannonian]

I think the real question is why do these sons of immigrants feel isolated from a society that they were supposed to readily assimilate to?

Its strange that European migrants (Poles and Serbs, generally) don't seem to have a hankering for the old country like these guys do. Why is Muslim extremism basically negligible in America?

I'd also wonder about the phenomenon of second generation jihadis. The first generation to arrive throw themselves into assimilation, and while they remember a past in a different country, they reject that in favour of a wholly British identity. The second generation, born and bred in Britain, reject what their parents have worked for and "return to their roots". Is it merely teenage rebellion with an outlet that's rather more unsavoury than most? See also the American phenomenon of plastic paddies, where "Irish-Americans" feel a need to emphasise their "Irish roots" to an extent beyond what people who actually live there would do.

[rory_20_uk]

I only repeat what I've been told. And that's the experience of Serbs, and other people from former Yugoslavia, which makes the problem only more evident. A Serb in England would go to work, preferably from 9 to 5, go have a few beers in the evening and go see a footy match on weekends. On Sunday, as most Brits, he'd worship sleeping longer. If it weren't for the accent, it would be quite hard to notice him in any way.

I can only imagine how much harder would it be for someone much different cultural background and physical appearance, like an Arab.

Countries in Europe tend to be still nationalistic. People won't assimilate if they don't feel at home. That's the difference between a European country and an immigrant country, like Canada, Australia and US.

If that's what people do, then as as soon as the accent goes you're part of the mix - if you think of your adopted home as "home" then that's great. If you pop over and support foreign sports teams, speak primarily in in a different language and wach foreign TV it is hardly home, is it?

More nationalistic than the USA??!?!?

I understand that Serbia has done more than most to try to... "purify" its racial mix, but the UK is and has been for thousands of years a mongrel of different persons from all over Europe; for considerably less time others have also come over: waves of invaders have come over since the Celts wiped out the preceeding tribes, then Romans, the Saxons, the Vikings, Normans and as a rule every time there was unrest on the mainland another wave of disporia poured over.

Generally these persons integrated over time and their culture was merged with what was already there.

The more similar cultures are the better - and I am sure that Westerners popping into Saudi Arabia / Pakistan / Indonesia have a hellish time "fitting in" with such things as Apostate laws making an idle comment a 15 year jail term; Japan is just as bad in a different way with their own quaint racist term for all outsiders. "Wogs" a British term for all persons not part of Blighty is of course banned years ago whereas "Gaijin" is still a catch all for the uncultured (as what culture is there beyond Japan?) borderline thugs who are on their shores.

Very recently two things have happened at the same time:

1) The amount of persons from abroad has increased.
2) The people didn't really want to be here - just have the benefits of being so - hence didn't integrate culturally.

It is the failure to / to want to integrate culturally that is causing 99% of the problems.

[HoreTore]

It is the failure to / to want to integrate culturally that is causing 99% of the problems.

Hurr durr:

People who think the problem is the other lot and not themselves. Well, that's a shock!

[Husar]

If you want to know how much Europeans hate foreigners, just look at all the votes anti-EU parties are getting lately. Europeans don't even want to live together with other Europeans, much less with blacks, browns or yellow, who are just colors and not humans anyway.

[Pannonian]

I understand that Serbia has done more than most to try to... "purify" its racial mix, but the UK is and has been for thousands of years a mongrel of different persons from all over Europe; for considerably less time others have also come over: waves of invaders have come over since the Celts wiped out the preceeding tribes, then Romans, the Saxons, the Vikings, Normans and as a rule every time there was unrest on the mainland another wave of disporia poured over.

"English" is an amalgam of Germanic, Norse and French languages, often with 3 sets of words for the same thing, and 3 sets of linguistic rules, with later attempts to rationalise this bunch into a single language and with each set of linguistic artefacts supposedly meaning something subtly different, whereas historically they were all describing exactly the same things. AFAIK since the imperial period the Indian subcontinent has also contributed a fair chunk of linguistic heritage as well.

[Montmorency]

What's actually interesting is that "white" is by definition the most colorful form of visible light. So calling black people "coloreds" is an oxymoron.

Makes more sense to call them "void" or "pit" or "archdemon" or something, if you're gonna hate on them.

(I haven't followed this thread. )

[Fragony]

People vote anti EU because the EU is a meddlesome bitch.

Ever hear anyone complain about the Chinese? Exactly, discussion over. People from islamic countries just happen to lead every chart when it comes to everything negative.

[HoreTore]

Ever hear anyone complain about the Chinese?

Uh..... Yes?

[Pannonian]

People vote anti EU because the EU is a meddlesome bitch.

Ever hear anyone complain about the Chinese? Exactly, discussion over.

Chinese in the US used to have a similar status to Spartan helots, including the bit where it's fair game to hunt them.

[rory_20_uk]

And when Westerners went to Japan to start with many were killed out of hand; China viewed them as supplicants to the Imperial throne. Boxter rebellion, anyone?
The first Europeans to Africa called the locals monkeys, and the locals called the Europeans ghosts.
The first few colonies in the Americas one cause for failure was being slaughtered by the locals.

I can think of few cultures who on first meeting were really nice and kind to each other and went forward with mutual respect.

But often when two cultures merge then the peoples do get on

[Fragony]

Uh..... Yes?

That's a while ago, and there was such thing as mass-immigration of north-africans or central-africans. It's just a fact that these groups are overpresented in, well everything. Muslims are just trouble. Not only do they have genetic-defects because of centuries of inbreeding they are also more prone to mental-deseases. Have a significantly lower IQ. Are overpresented in crime. Fact.

[HoreTore]

That's a while ago

Yes, "today" is indeed a long time ago.

Just out of curiosity(and ignoring the fact that you're using debunked junk science from a eugenics proponent), just what is a significantly lower IQ? Do you know how big the gap needs to be to be able to tell any difference between two individuals?

By the way: Christian immigrants are also highly over-represented in crime. Buddhists too. Probably more.

[Pannonian]

That's a while ago, and there was such thing as mass-immigration of north-africans or central-africans. It's just a fact that these groups are overpresented in, well everything. Muslims are just trouble. Not only do they have genetic-defects because of centuries of inbreeding they are also more prone to mental-deseases. Have a significantly lower IQ. Are overpresented in crime. Fact.

Inbred Muslims? Weren't they significantly more widespread than Europeans for centuries? A contiguous collection of empires from the Indies in the east to Morocco in the west, plus Iberia where they'd been invited over by indigenous Christians.

[Fragony]

Yes, "today" is indeed a long time ago.

Just out of curiosity(and ignoring the fact that you're using debunked junk science from a eugenics proponent), just what is a significantly lower IQ? Do you know how big the gap needs to be to be able to tell any difference between two individuals?

By the way: Christian immigrants are also highly over-represented in crime. Buddhists too. Probably more.

You can check the IQ world-map for your question. And it shows. Almost none make it to higher education, and often cope on the lowest we have to offer. The average Dutchman has an IQ of 105. The average north-african regardless of being here for three generations is hopelessly behind, A LOT of north-africans are 'zwakbegaafd' as it's called here, (weakly gifted should translate well enough), but barely able sums it up fine. The effects of inbreeding is well known. A lower IQ isn't the only consequence, so are health-problems, and being more prone to mental disorders. Girls do better though, you will see plemty muslim girls at universities. I don't know why that is, only the males fail at just about everything.

[Hax]

My dad is an Algerian with a double PhD in microbiology and virology.

But I'll make sure to tell him that he's retarded the next time I see him, thanks to his being "north-African".