An argument for God

[Kadagar_AV]

Ironside, the "simulation"-theory I find quite interesting...

Rhyf, two questions:

1. If God is omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent and immaterial, he shouldn't change... Right? Yet, the old and the new testament clearly show that this version of a god seems to be changing. Am I wrong?

2. Also, why would a omnipotent god need to rest on the 7th day? Specially if he even is immaterial? This also argues against this version of a god as being what science is looking for as answer to "the eternal question".

Also:

Genesis 32:22-32New International Version (NIV)

Jacob Wrestles With God
22 That night Jacob got up and took his two wives, his two female servants and his eleven sons and crossed the ford of the Jabbok. 23 After he had sent them across the stream, he sent over all his possessions. 24 So Jacob was left alone, and a man wrestled with him till daybreak. 25 When the man saw that he could not overpower him, he touched the socket of Jacob’s hip so that his hip was wrenched as he wrestled with the man. 26 Then the man said, “Let me go, for it is daybreak.”

But Jacob replied, “I will not let you go unless you bless me.”

27 The man asked him, “What is your name?”

“Jacob,” he answered.

28 Then the man said, “Your name will no longer be Jacob, but Israel,[a] because you have struggled with God and with humans and have overcome.”

29 Jacob said, “Please tell me your name.”

But he replied, “Why do you ask my name?” Then he blessed him there.

30 So Jacob called the place Peniel,[b] saying, “It is because I saw God face to face, and yet my life was spared.”

So god couldn't even wrestle down a man, but needed to cheat? I guess that hip breaking move was something deemed as not befitting wrestling. But Jacob STILL held on to him...





I understand that everything can be takes in whatever way anyone want, more or less. The Jacob story might just hold some moral lesson.

But IF the Abrahamic religions are correct:

A) God really has done a absolutely RUBBISH work of explaining to us humans what he wants from us.

B) Not even the people who agree with the basic premise of the Abrahamic god, can agree on any specifics.





Nah, I still can only see the Abrahamic religions as man-made... To much point to it being so, to little show any real reason as to why it would be "the real deal".


You are of course entitled to your own opinion...

However, the ONLY thing you have brought forward here is covered by the "God of the gaps" argument... Just because we don't KNOW what caused certain things, gives us no reason to believe it was your specific idea of a godlike being who did it.




So meh