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    I don't want this to sound like a conspiracy theory, but...

    It seems to me that there has been a quite concerted anti-UKIP drive in the mainstream media of late, and I doubt that this is a coincidence with the up-coming election. I think its fair to say that UKIP have rumbled a few feathers and 'the establishment'(TM) seems to be going to unusual and ethically questionable lengths to combat this.

    Of particular note are two highly biased documentaries, the latter one outrageously so - BBC's 'Meet the Ukippers' and Channel 4's 'UKIP: The First 100 Days'.

    I'm not a fan of UKIP, but this sort of blatant propaganda doesn't sit well with me at all. Channel 4 doesn't surprise me - this is after all the channel that seems to think of itself as being progressive with a sort of risqué edge, which it expresses by splitting its airtime evenly between reality shows making fun of poor people, and dramas glorifying all sorts of degeneracy.

    The BBC on the other hand should know better, this is a state-funded channel we are talking about which is coming out with obviously partizan material to favour the establishment parties.

    Am I off the mark here or has anybody else noticed this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhyfelwyr View Post
    I don't want this to sound like a conspiracy theory, but...

    It seems to me that there has been a quite concerted anti-UKIP drive in the mainstream media of late, and I doubt that this is a coincidence with the up-coming election. I think its fair to say that UKIP have rumbled a few feathers and 'the establishment'(TM) seems to be going to unusual and ethically questionable lengths to combat this.

    Of particular note are two highly biased documentaries, the latter one outrageously so - BBC's 'Meet the Ukippers' and Channel 4's 'UKIP: The First 100 Days'.

    I'm not a fan of UKIP, but this sort of blatant propaganda doesn't sit well with me at all. Channel 4 doesn't surprise me - this is after all the channel that seems to think of itself as being progressive with a sort of risqué edge, which it expresses by splitting its airtime evenly between reality shows making fun of poor people, and dramas glorifying all sorts of degeneracy.

    The BBC on the other hand should know better, this is a state-funded channel we are talking about which is coming out with obviously partizan material to favour the establishment parties.

    Am I off the mark here or has anybody else noticed this?
    The BBC is government run. At last glance over 90% of the government are against ukip. Right or wrong it would not not exactly surprise me that the guys managing the bbc would be inclined to put the spotlight on ukip's faults of which there are many.

    Also ukip is the new working class party and in the last few years television has been indulging in penny-dreadful, freak-show "look at how dumb the poor are" programming more than usual. It was largely inevitable that someone would do this sort of thing. That the bbc is getting in on it is merely confirming my suspicions that their management is stocked with fornicating baboons. But that's mostly down to how much they screwed up Dr Who.
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    They also expose current government, past government, etc. See latest Jack Straw incident for that.

    Though it seems like with any popularity, companies want to profit/capitalise on them. They did a show called "Meet the Ukippers" as people would watch it, it is rating.

    Channel 4 did the same with the BNP - Young, Nazi and Proud.

    Though being honest, if the purpose of 'Meet the Ukippers' is to propaganda what soap is to making yourself dirty. UKIP would look better from having their 'working class' image enhanced. There was the poll that every time 'UKIP is racist' was mentioned, they gained 1%, and they basically raised !4% in popularity in a week to the point a lot of people stopped saying it.

    Is it that the racists were drawn to UKIP because they had their views? Or is it the anti establishment popularist feeling typical with the Tea Party in America being replicated here.
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    UKIP has the same number of MP than the Green Party: Compare how many time UKIP is the new and how many time the Green are.
    Then, UKIP is needed by the 2 big parties (which only disagree on details about general and economical policies) to scare-off voters. So the 2 main needs UKIP, but not too much. With a potential strong UKIP they will be able to play the rally" to democracy cards, like they did in France. And will have the same result when 80 % of the voters will go fishing instead of voting. More and more of the so-called elected representatives are with 30% of the 20 % of the electorate.
    BBC as ITV or other channels are a layer of protection for the TINA (There Is No Alternative) politic. This lack of choice (the illusion of Choice as described by George Carlin), the fact that to choose between Coca or Pepsi is not a choice (or Diet Coke vs Free Cal Coke, as the money still go to the same company) pushed the voters who can't see their will and choice represented, first to abstention, then to vote against the establishment (vote for comedian, or vote for extremes).
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    By all means keep doing this. It's like not inviting someone to a birthday-party he doesn't want to go to anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greyblades View Post
    The BBC is government run.
    That the bbc is getting in on it is merely confirming my suspicions that their management is stocked with fornicating baboons.
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    Is it that the racists were drawn to UKIP because they had their views? Or is it the anti establishment popularist feeling typical with the Tea Party in America being replicated here.
    Ahh the old "racist" canard. Not really holding up though is it. I intend to vote UKIP if only to stop the real racists in Rotherham, Oxford, Rochdale, Blackpool, Birmingham, Bradord, Keighley, Nottingham.....and that's just the tip of the iceberg.

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    I would absolutily vote UKIP if I was Brittish. Established parties are afraid of them because they know very well that UKIP has a point.

    Typical reaction when you don't have an answer: 'I put on my wizzard rope, grab my wand, and I cast FASCISMUS'

    Not going to work, that spell can only be used so many times. I expect the UKIP will do very well next elections. I hope they do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by InsaneApache View Post
    Ahh the old "racist" canard. Not really holding up though is it.
    UKIP isn't racist - it is however supported by racists - people who would have voted BNP but are supporting UKIP because of UKIP's stance on immigration. This is what "Meet the Ukippers" showed.

    Personally I wish we focused less on who supports the parties (because they all have bad supporters) and more on the parties actual policies - which in UKIP's case is mostly pie in the sky lunacy of the Libertarian kind (as opposed to the Green parties Pie in the sky Liberal style)

    and frag UKIP will not do all that well - their best case scenario puts them at about the size of the Liberal Democrats which will make them an actual Westminster player but not a major one - first past the post (which ironically they supported) assures that.

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    They might surprise, I think the EU is much more an issue for the average UKIP voter than immigration. The EU isn't exactly popular here either and the eurosceptic parties are doing the best in polls.

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