Pirate Ship Mafia III [Concluded]

[Visor]

Wait what? This is not what he's been claiming. You're saying that he's been lying to the ship this entire time??

You have 199 gold. I claimed 200 because well why would I not round up to 200.

[Chill - GH]

[seireikhaan]

I;m not insisting you tell me the correct number, I'm insisting you claim the number you have IF I'M WRONG.

We both know I'm not wrong, but you keep saying I am, so I want you to claim the number.

This is beyond pointless. Whatever number he claims is irrelevant. Why you're hung up on this is beyond me. You're supposedly the one person who can verify a gold total - he disputes this. Therefore he could claim fifty gold or ten thousand gold. There's nothing binding at this point to make him be truthful, therefore the claim is irrelevant because there's nothing to test it with. Either you(and by extension anyone else deemed not hazardous by the town echo chamber) believe your number is correct and he's lying, or they decide you're incorrect/lying.

[Ishmael]

A possible explanation for this whole situation that I can see is if Visorslash simply rounded off Xiahou's gold total initially, and is now requesting Xiahou reveal his exact gold count to see if it matches with the exact amount that he discovered. If this is the case Visorslash, it probably wouldn't undermine your purpose to say so.

Also, Unvote:, Vote: Ituralde


I looked over the rules for different actions. He lied.

I'm afraid I'm finding it hard to keep up with all the revelations going on - could you spell this out for me?

EDIT: Looks like I'm ten posts too late. Stop posting so fast, everyone!

[Visor]

Your decision to claim I was wrong, while technically correct was just dumb. You know you have 199 coins, you know well 200 is pretty close to 199, maybe he might be telling the truth about that one.

Perhaps I should have claimed 199 exactly - but I figured 200 was close enough. Apparently not.

[Csargo]

100 + 10 + 3-6(captain + post) + 2 + 5-20 + 50-70(potential will/could be less) = 170-208

I'm going to sleep now.

[Visor]

A possible explanation for this whole situation that I can see is if Visorslash simply rounded off Xiahou's gold total initially, and is now requesting Xiahou reveal his exact gold count to see if it matches with the exact amount that he discovered. If this is the case Visorslash, it probably wouldn't undermine your purpose to say so.



I'm afraid I'm finding it hard to keep up with all the revelations going on - could you spell this out for me?

Yes, thank you,.

[Csargo]

Is there a reason not to claim the exact number? Visor's just rounding. He told me and notjim the exact value in private.



yeah actually this seems like a solid lynch

I wasn't referring to gold, was talking about posts.

[Csargo]

A possible explanation for this whole situation that I can see is if Visorslash simply rounded off Xiahou's gold total initially, and is now requesting Xiahou reveal his exact gold count to see if it matches with the exact amount that he discovered. If this is the case Visorslash, it probably wouldn't undermine your purpose to say so.



I'm afraid I'm finding it hard to keep up with all the revelations going on - could you spell this out for me?

EDIT: Looks like I'm ten posts too late. Stop posting so fast, everyone!

The protection Kage set up should have failed and he shouldn't have gotten any gold from it. He claimed he did, but I overlooked it because of what Gaius said early in the thread. I went and looked back at the rules for gold and he shouldn't have gotten anything for a failed protection. Unless GH messed up. So it seems he lied about that.

[Xiahou]

If you were claiming to know with certainty that it was a number that it's not, why would I accept that? You could have ended this pages ago by being truthful, yet you didn't. I'm baffled, frankly.

Yes, it is 199. And as I said at the time, I don't appreciate the bullseye that you disclosing that publicly puts on my back.
You're still very suspicious imo. However, now that things add up, Double A's suspicion is lowered.

[Visor]

WRT to Ital - he claimed thanks for getting paid to Csargo, even though he technically did not get paid?

[Visor]

The protection Kage set up should have failed and he shouldn't have gotten any gold from it. He claimed he did, but I overlooked it because of what Gaius said early in the thread. I went and looked back at the rules for gold and he shouldn't have gotten anything for a failed protection. Unless GH messed up. So it seems he lied about that.

Let me check my PMs from Ital.

If you were claiming to know with certainty that it was a number that it's not, why would I accept that? You could have ended this pages ago by being truthful, yet you didn't. I'm baffled, frankly.

Yes, it is 199. And as I said at the time, I don't appreciate the bullseye that you disclosing that publicly puts on my back.
You're still very suspicious imo. However, now that things add up, Double A's suspicion is lowered.

200-199 is nothing. For christs sake.

How am I suspicious? Please tell me what anything I've done works from a French perspective?

[Csargo]

He shouldnt have gotten anything as far as the rules say or I understand them. Outside of the few gold for posting/voting? Am I wrong?

[Visor]

He gets two for a submitting IIRC.

[Visor]

He definitely claimed a successful protect to me in private. So yeah, lets string him up.

Vote: Ituralde

[Ituralde]

GH pays out based on perception of night actions, though. If ten players said they'd kill one person, and six of them did something else, the four guys who sent in the kill order would still get paid a lower rate, even though they "should" be getting the 10 per vig rate.

This confuses me, a lot!
Maybe someone who has played in the previous games can make more sense of it, but I cant make any sense of what happened.

Night One: Kagemusha asks me to protect Andres together with Ironside and Csargo. That's easy money I figure and send in the order that I will protect Andres together with Ironside and Csargo. I received a CC from Ironsides PM to GH. I didn't do this, as I didn't know this was a thing. I didn't heard from Csargo, but then I didn't confirm it to them either.

Night one is over and I get my feedback PM, it reads.

Andres is still alive.

Gold: 116

The first line doesn't tell anything. But my gold is up a full 16 from my starting 100.
Kagemusha sent a PM, where he gave out the one gold for electing him Captain. I confirmed receiving this in my order PM to GH.
Then I also get three gold for voting in the Captain's election and two gold for sending in night orders.
So 100 Starter + 1 from Kage + 3 for voting + 2 for night action = 106

Where do the other 10 gold come from then?
I assume it's from my successful protection of Andres with the minimum group size of three! Otherwise I would have received 7 gold.
I also base this assumption on the rules (bolded by me)

When actively performing at night, in your orders PM you must send me the exact specifics: What you are doing, the name of every person who is doing it with you, and who you are doing it to. If there is miscommunication and the orders do not match up, they will not be executed. Not only will this deprive you of treasure, but it may also put you at risk of public exposure or dying! Beware!

But now you Double A - and also Csargo in a PM - tell me that it doesn't matter who I mention in my order PM. As long as three people happen to send in the order: I protect Andres no matter who ther co-protectors are. All three people receive the 10 gold? This directly contradicts the bolded part above, where it says they will not be executed.

I only have two explanations for this:
1. Csargo did protect Andres together with Ironside and me, explaining the 10 gold.
2. Ironside had a special role, where there are only two people needed for a successful protection, when he is in the group.

Am I missing something? Where did I go wrong (Aside from being on a pirate ship).

[Csargo]

He gets two for a submitting IIRC.

Still doesnt add up to 10. That's what he claimed. Something doesn't add up.

[seireikhaan]

200-199 is nothing. For christs sake.

Simple. Don't round. Don't take short cuts.

How am I suspicious? Please tell me what anything I've done works from a French perspective?

You know, at this point, I'd prefer it if you and the rest of the echo chamber *were* French. Because the alternative is a town that thinks killing off anyone that isn't in the clique they weren't invited to is how you try to win a game.

[Visor]

Echo chamber?

Take a look in the mirror.

[Csargo]

@GeneralHankerchief could you clear this up? If possible. Potentially a slip-up. The gold thing.

[Ituralde]

This be the main reason why I be suspicious of Csargo by the way. I dont understand this at all.

Also since this will probably come up soon: Last night I tried to steal gold from Askthepizzaguy since all me other groups didn't work out. I was caught though, the feedback said that ATPG was ready for me.
Why you be guarding your gold you measly landlubber!

[seireikhaan]

He is el snooze, so *if* this is a slip up, it probably won't be resolved for a few hours.

[Visor]

ATPG did send me an angry PM saying he was going to be guarding his gold.

He seemed to be offended at me calling him scum.

[Csargo]

[Csargo]

ATPG did send me an angry PM saying he was going to be guarding his gold.

He seemed to be offended at me calling him scum.

I'm surprised you're still alive.

[Kagemusha]

Why is Ice still alive?

[Ituralde]

I also tried to clear the situation up with GH via PM, but apparently my rule question wasn't specific enough or I made too many assumptions while asking. Either way his response wasn't helping me understand it. Maybe I managed to word my problem a bit better this time.

[johnhughthom]

ref Csargo/Ituralde, I was in Csargo's group night one, and I don't think it's been mentioned that we got the lower 7 gold each for a larger than needed group. There were four of us in the group, so clearly everyone was on the protection.

[Sprig]

This be the main reason why I be suspicious of Csargo by the way. I dont understand this at all.

Also since this will probably come up soon: Last night I tried to steal gold from Askthepizzaguy since all me other groups didn't work out. I was caught though, the feedback said that ATPG was ready for me.
Why you be guarding your gold you measly landlubber!

Can you give me back my gold before we string you up *Squawk*?

[Montmorency]

If you were claiming to know with certainty that it was a number that it's not, why would I accept that? You could have ended this pages ago by being truthful, yet you didn't. I'm baffled, frankly.

Yes, it is 199. And as I said at the time, I don't appreciate the bullseye that you disclosing that publicly puts on my back.
You're still very suspicious imo. However, now that things add up, Double A's suspicion is lowered.

Hot damn, he really is playing Audit Mafia.

Unvote

[Askthepizzaguy]

This be the main reason why I be suspicious of Csargo by the way. I dont understand this at all.

Also since this will probably come up soon: Last night I tried to steal gold from Askthepizzaguy since all me other groups didn't work out. I was caught though, the feedback said that ATPG was ready for me.
Why you be guarding your gold you measly landlubber!

Because I spoke about stealing gold last night in my complaints with the administration and I've been around the harbor a few times. I KNEW someone would steal from me if I even mentioned the word steal in public. Why, because you can justify stealing from me if I have stolen from others. As Gaius and the Captain and even Visorslash were informed, I've stolen from nobody this game. But I said stealing gold publicly, so therefore, it took a real wild guess on my part to know I'd be stolen from. Ain't that somethin'? I must be a fortune teller.

I probably will at some point, but let's face facts, so will everyone.

I told Captain what I'd be doing and told him that if he wanted to check what I was doing he could have someone steal from me. Whether you did it independently of that or not, I don't know. But I do know directly who tried to steal from me, you're informed of who it was if it fails.

Now then, that would mean if I'm guilty which I am not, I'm either protecting my gold, which does me a fat lot of good, or I'm recruiting and having a teammate protect my gold. So it's not clearing. But it is binding my hands a bit, now isn't it.