The Inquisition [Concluded]

[Kagemusha]

The town is infested with mafia. I was in contact with rather limited set of people, but who knows whom they talked with. Thanks for the game everyone!

[Sooh]

I know I was where I was supposed to be last night GH, just like I have been previous nights.

I thought 3 was supposed to be enough to protect someone, but here there were a group of three and a group of two, and yet two scum seemed to just be able to nullify it?

[GeneralHankerchief]

I thought 3 was supposed to be enough to protect someone

It most certainly should.

Why do you think the protection failed?

[Sooh]

I don't know.

Perhaps if two scums attack it's not enough?

I don't know what we should do then though.

[edse]

Were both protection groups Shanahk? I said earlier that you were too many and that you had been infiltrated.

Vote: Sooh

[Myrddraal]

If it is the case that two Mafia can overcome a protection group, then that makes it seem very likely that that Mafia knew that Kage had the power role. Why bother with a double attack if targeting townies at random. To the best of my knowledge, very few people knew of his role for sure (3 that I know of, including me).

It's also very interesting that one of the protection groups clearly failed due to lack of numbers. GH has confirmed that his group all cc'd orders. Can the other group confirm the same (in public or private?)

[Sooh]

Were both protection groups Shanahk? I said earlier that you were too many and that you had been infiltrated.

Vote: Sooh

You buy what GH says just like that at face value?

Seems opportunistic.

[edse]

Well, I think the failed three person group is our best lead, and GH shot first.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Full disclosure: I was the one who recommended that my group protect Kage. However, I had no idea of his role, I simply believed him to be innocent via his posting behavior.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Since this is the first round I've really been able to contribute to in over a week (due to RL stuff), can someone who's followed it closer than me clear up the following things:

1) If there has ever been a situation with two teamed-up attackers before
2) If single attackers bearing similarities to this description have fared well

[Myrddraal]

1) No
2) Actually, I'm not sure we've had people with this description attack before. As of last round, all attackers seemed to fit into a pattern of representing one of the religions (one of them smelt 'musty' (Underworld), the other 'briny' (Sea) and the third seemed to float and wore a golden mask (Sky).

The 'man with flowing, white hair and a white robe that seemed to glitter in the darkness. ' is certainly new, and his accomplice has 'A short, wavy mop of black hair' under his hood.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Hmm, then IMO the possibility of the three protectors simply being overwhelmed by greater numbers just went up. Still think Sooh's a rat though, I didn't like her initial reaction.

[Myrddraal]

Whether or not the attack was a mafia one, it's interesting that someone didn't turn up. We need an explanation for that. It would be good to hear from the other protection group in some form.

[Sooh]

Hmm, then IMO the possibility of the three protectors simply being overwhelmed by greater numbers just went up. Still think Sooh's a rat though, I didn't like her initial reaction.

There's really not much I can do about you not liking my reaction. Can you specify in what way you think my reaction was bad? I'm trying to be open and easy to read.

[edse]

Full disclosure: I was the one who recommended that my group protect Kage. However, I had no idea of his role, I simply believed him to be innocent via his posting behavior.

Have your group (you, Sooh and a third person?) performed a successful group protection before?

[El Barto]

What's been going on? Why can't you all stay quietly in bed instead of killing each other?

[GeneralHankerchief]

There's really not much I can do about you not liking my reaction. Can you specify in what way you think my reaction was bad? I'm trying to be open and easy to read.

When, in comparison to the posts in this thread, did you read your feedback PM?

Have your group (you, Sooh and a third person?) performed a successful group protection before?

The third person and I were part of an inconclusive protection on Night... 2, I think. Maybe N1, definitely not N3. This is my first time working with Sooh.

[Ituralde]

So Kagemusha was the bald bearded guy? Only power role I know of.

I worked with Sooh on night 2 in the succesful attack on Golden1Knight, who was simulatenously protected.

The other members of that night action were Ironside, who was killed and your third man from last night, GH. So I fear that doesn't help in determining who of the two is lying. Or if in fact you are lying.

I was not protecting Kagemusha last night, so don't know who made that second attempt, that should have been successful.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Right now I have two theories. The first one is that everyone was where they were supposed to be, but simply got overwhelmed by the fact that it was a two-person team taking on Kage as opposed to the customary one. In this case, the most likely suspect, if anyone, would be whoever dropped out of the two-man protection group. This means either mine and Sooh's third, or somebody from the mysterious other group.

The second one is that somebody in the group of three showed up for the protection, but due to their alignment could not work with regular townies/followers of the same religion - and also were not aware of this fact. In essence, they thought they had a good alibi but were caught.

-edit- And while the first theory appears to be more plausible on the surface, keep in mind that this is a khaan game and town doesn't have a particularly good record at figuring his games out. At all.

[Montmorency]

Ituralde, what do you think of the lurkers around here, such as JHT and DCMort?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Oh, by the way, my group failed because dcmort didn't send the order. He also happened to be the one who killed Kagemusha, according to my source.

So we should quit with the Sooh bashing and lynch a scum. Capice, GH?

Vote: Dcmort93.

[Askthepizzaguy]

IMO Ituralde can be tomorrow's lynch.

[edse]

Isn't dcmort known for being borderline inactive?

Unvote: Vote: dcmort93

[Askthepizzaguy]

Whether or not the attack was a mafia one, it's interesting that someone didn't turn up. We need an explanation for that. It would be good to hear from the other protection group in some form.

Myself and Golden1Knight and Dcmort were on Kagemusha. I knew of his true identity, the others did not.

However, since it was decided to protect him multiple times, the scumbags were tipped off that he was worth ganging up on.

I was very careful to keep his identity a secret. Neither dcmort nor Golden1Knight were ever informed that Kage wasn't even a Firnazian. I told them he was just another member of our cult, to conceal the real reason why he was being protected.

Dcmort never sent the order last night, and now we know it was deliberate.

[Ituralde]

You never fail to impress. Your first action is to vote for the guy I voted for last night and then I should die the next day?

Awesome.

I have nothing on dcmort93 or jht. They are both complete unknowns to me.

Also wasn't Kagemusha killed by two guys technically? What does your source have to say about dcmorts accomplice?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Isn't dcmort known for being borderline inactive?

Unvote: Vote: dcmort93

He has been active every other night of the game.

Goodbye, dcmort. Hope it was worth it.

[Askthepizzaguy]

You never fail to impress. Your first action is to vote for the guy I voted for last night and then I should die the next day?

Askthepizzaguy is not impressed by your distancing tactic. You haven't acted like a townie all game and you will die, by my own hand if necessary.

See you soon, scum.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Isn't it interesting when the leader of the Firnazians calls for your head, Golden1 showed up, but dcmort was nowhere to be seen?

Why wouldn't dcmort vote with his fellow Firnazians? Especially considering how close the vote was.



I don't need a scan result on you, Ituralde. You're as transparent as they come.

[edse]

However, since it was decided to protect him multiple times, the scumbags were tipped off that he was worth ganging up on.

You're saying ganging up let them kill through protection? Do you "know" this?

[Ituralde]

According to you I haven't acted like town during Pirate Ship either, and I was town there. So your track record is not that impressive. Not that 'acting like a townie' is a very strong argument to begin with.

So do I understand it correctly that the protection made by Sooh, GH and their third member was indeed carried out by all three and they all showed up in the writeup?
Meaning that the failed two man protection was dcmort, Golden1Knight and ATPG? Of which dcmort didn't show up.

So for the Mafia to have known that two separate protection groups were organized for Kagemusha one each of both protection groups must be Mafia, right?
Or someone knew what those three person groups were doing via PM or QT. I didn't know of the Kagemusha protection by GH et al, so I assume the other Shahnaks didn't know it either, maybe with the exception of Visorslash.

Kages death might not have been in vain.