IMMIGRATION thread

[Husar]

Apart from the jihadi's and rapefugees, gving false hope is just cruel. Nothing that was promised by the most cynical industry in the universe and suroundings is true, and as a well-meaning person I despise those who facilitate it. Merkel made herself the mutti of human-trafficking. Security-risks aside, she's got blood on her hands.

Now I'm even more confused. It's not cruel to human-traffic jihadis and rapefugees? And what was promised by human traffickers?

People who call me a bigot, you know who are, are you actually sheltering anyone, because I actually do that.

You like to mention that, don't you? Don't forget to mention that you can also afford to throw away 20k€ worth of clothes, if some did that they'd not nearly get there before they'd have to run around naked. It's good that you can afford it and do it, but don't be an ass about it like it makes you holier than thou.

[HopAlongBunny]

This is giving me flashbacks of: "None is too many"

[Fragony]

Now I'm even more confused. It's not cruel to human-traffic jihadis and rapefugees? And what was promised by human traffickers?



You like to mention that, don't you? Don't forget to mention that you can also afford to throw away 20k€ worth of clothes, if some did that they'd not nearly get there before they'd have to run around naked. It's good that you can afford it and do it, but don't be an ass about it like it makes you holier than thou.

20.000 lol, no Hussie a zero too many. My mom wanted to take these clothes to the laundry and accidently threw them away with the trash from my sister's house. Lots of trash she's a bit of a swine. But alas I'll help when I can, I can therefore I am. Reality is that in reality I am a much nicer person than those who say I'm not and make stupid insinuations. I shouldn't have told that I actually give people a place to stay because now it looks like I am making a point out of it

[Sarmatian]

I shouldn't have told that I actually give people a place to stay because now it looks like I am making a point out of it

You can help one person a still be a bigot. It's a case "I have black friends, but..."

[Fragony]

You can help one person a still be a bigot. It's a case "I have black friends, but..."

That has become a cliché of it's own. I know myself way too well to not care if someone calls me a bigot. What used to offend me I only find pathetic now; the morally rightious who's spell they cast is losing power every time they cast it

BIGOTUS!

wut, yeah right kthxbye

[Sarmatian]

That has become a cliché of it's own. I know myself way too well to not care if someone calls me a bigot. What used to offend me I only find pathetic now; the morally rightious who's spell they cast is losing power every time they cast it

BIGOTUS!

wut, yeah right kthxbye

Then why try to prove it constantly?

Not at related to the discussion, but Harry Potter references are incredibly lame.

[Fragony]

Then why try to prove it constantly?

Because there is constantly unfair insinuation. You are a good example of that yourself. You aren't that bad but it's tiring to constantly having to explain yourself. Times are changing gladly, the monopoly on morality is no longer a given for the leftist church. The leftist-church isn't used to actually defending their views and resort to all they know and all that worked, redicule and insinuations, but reality is catching up fast. Harry Potter references aren't lame as the politically correct live in a world that doesn't exist no matter how much they want to.

[Sarmatian]

Because there is constantly unfair insinuation. You are a good example of that yourself. You aren't that bad but it's tiring to constantly having to explain yourself. Times are changing gladly, the monopoly on morality is no longer a given for the leftist church. The leftist-church isn't used to actually defending their views and resort to all they know and all that worked, redicule and insinuations, but reality is catching up fast. Harry Potter references aren't lame as the politically correct live in a world that doesn't exist no matter how much they want to.

This isn't about political correctness. This is about people suffering. I know first hand how it feels when you are discriminated against, and that was absolutely minute compared to what these people are experiencing every single day.

Yes, I would like to at least try to help. To at least try to identify the sincere ones before everyone is sent back. To do utmost to minimize the risks. Can we eliminate the risks? No, not completely, but I'm willing to live with that. I'm taking risks every time I step out the door and statistics tells me there's much greater chance that I will die in a car crash than from a terrorist attack.

Do you truly feel that is so ludicrous? And there simple can't be talks about it because you've been on autopilot for the last year with wir schaffen das, rapefugees, hyenas, insane childless mutti and whatever other stormfront like catch phrases you've been using.
Not just here, but everywhere. Youtube and article comments are filled with words like rats, subhumans, cattle... Yes, I know haters tend to be more active, there's always a silent majority but regardless...

People are refusing to acknowledge that those people coming into Europe are not all the same. It is not a single monolithic block. We instinctively understand that when it comes to our group - how much mental work is needed to understand it is the same for refugees?

[Husar]

20.000 lol, no Hussie a zero too many.

Yes, my mistake.
The question is why you always want closed borders, apparently for pretty much everyone, and yet say you want to help. Looking at it from the outside it makes little sense. On the other side I'm not aware of anyone on this forum who sends invitations to jihadists, yet there seem to be plenty of accusations like that thrown around.

The argument that not only doctors and lawyers come is just as silly as the one that only doctors and lawyers come because if only doctors and lawyers are worth saving, that's class warfare!

[Fragony]

I really can't add anything to what Krazelic already said

[Gilrandir]

Reality is that in reality I am a much nicer person than those who say I'm not and make stupid insinuations. I shouldn't have told that I actually give people a place to stay because now it looks like I am making a point out of it

The question is why you always want closed borders, apparently for pretty much everyone, and yet say you want to help. Looking at it from the outside it makes little sense.

It does make sense:
http://www.psychlotron.org.uk/resour...es_lapiere.pdf

[Pannonian]

Yes, my mistake.
The question is why you always want closed borders, apparently for pretty much everyone, and yet say you want to help. Looking at it from the outside it makes little sense. On the other side I'm not aware of anyone on this forum who sends invitations to jihadists, yet there seem to be plenty of accusations like that thrown around.

The argument that not only doctors and lawyers come is just as silly as the one that only doctors and lawyers come because if only doctors and lawyers are worth saving, that's class warfare!

I value border controls because it's an integral part of national sovereignty. We've not given it up, so anyone who argues that certain values are more important than our control of our borders is arguing that our national sovereignty is unimportant. If you want to open up your own borders, then the German government can do so for yourselves, but don't presume to do the same for the UK.

[Snowhobbit]

And what was promised by human traffickers?

I'm not sure what was promised in the case of Germany, but in the case of Sweden what was promised was good housing, easy access to the job market, a safe place in which you'd be able to quickly reunite with your family. This was to some extent also promised by our politicians "there are no limits to how many we can take" etc.

Now what we have is a migration system that is breaking down, widespread abuse of refugees and refugee children, year long waits to get your permits so that you can start to integrate in society, currently looking at a minimum of about 3-4 years to bring your family here, more once the changes to make that harder take effect. There is no good housing supplied to them at all, the government is repeatedly failing to uphold the things required of it, both on a national and local level. The whole thing is a mess and a massive expenditure. It will take strong measure to resolve this, and in the meanwhile one of the two government parties is saying that the moment we are not drowning they will once more open the floodgates.