Mafia v. Cult [Concluded]

[Visor]

Vote: Jarrema

Cuth is probably a cultist and you are probably mafia.

[Visor]

I don't know if that makes sense, but I have a scum read on jarrema anyway.

[atheotes]

Because if we can clear people that lowers the POE.

You cannot verify anyone's claim. This information is more useful for the scum teams!

[atheotes]

Zack, You still haven't explained why you dropped your suspicion of Raith.
Unvote; Vote: Zack

[atheotes]

Where is Raith?

[Cuthillius]

I think the first day I did pizza, the second day I missed, the third I did Sooh, maybe? Last two phases I definitely did Raith Kemmler. I'll check

And my goodness don't accuse me of "refusing to respond" when it's not like I've made a ton of other posts since then.

[Cuthillius]

I don't appear to have anything in Sent Items, is that a forum thing?

[Cuthillius]

Look at the thread. Zack and Visor are calling me different alignments and getting annoyed at me because I'm hunting the wrong one, but not going after each other at all. Does that mean anything to you?

[Raith Kemmler]

Told ya.

We're lynching vote:Zack today, I think.

Between him and chox. Atheotes is clear for the push, Raith is clear for many things.

Chox is dirty yeah. And I'm liking Atheotes. Not sure what to make of Zack's claim.

Oh, and if you check the first post, pelican and sooh are both listed as "cult leaders"

2 cult leaders? What the hell did we walk into?

I assume cultists will try to lynch un-recruitable townies, since they have no other method of dealing with them

which lynches did cultists try to push

That question is kind of hard to answer, unless anyone has any idea what the recruitment order was. Especially with 2 leaders.

[Raith Kemmler]

Where is Raith?

I'm here now. Busy yesterday.

Raith Kemmler has claimed immune to cult IIRC, I think Zack has too.

Has ANYONE ELSE claimed this?

Has anyone claimed NK proof?

Claiming NK proof is a bad idea unless you're about to be lynched. (in this game, that means giving everyone 6-12 hours to get off your wagon) The mafia avoid killing you and the cult gets a shield against the mafia.

as for raith, supposedly mr. townie himself

his posts all game have been scummy, Zack I commented on this

why haven't the mafia killed him? why haven't cult tried to go after him?

The cult might have for all I know, but it's pointless thanks to immunity. And I can't really be cult based on that argument, unless I'm cult leader #3 in this crazy religious war. Otherwise my behavior wouldn't be scummy all game.

I could be mafia based on that, but somehow I think I overbussed Al if that's the case. Either way, lynching me is only a decent idea if we fail to flip another evil player in the next phase or so. Why haven't the mafia killed me? Because my scummy posting and my mistype make me a super easy town lynch for starters.

[Zack]

good question.
Standard mechanic is that there is only one cult leader, only he/she can recruit, and all cult members die when he/she dies.

Some of my previous thoughts were based on assumption that cult members will fervently defend their leader, because his/her lynch equals their doom. But it seems that is not truth. I wonder what host did to balance such powerful cult version.

I assume one became the mantle passed to a new leader after the OG died.

Zack, You still haven't explained why you dropped your suspicion of Raith.
Unvote; Vote: Zack

Um, I didn't drop it. What are you talking about? Cuth is a better suspect so I'm voting him.

Look at the thread. Zack and Visor are calling me different alignments and getting annoyed at me because I'm hunting the wrong one, but not going after each other at all. Does that mean anything to you?

Nope.

Chox is dirty yeah. And I'm liking Atheotes. Not sure what to make of Zack's claim.

yeah raith is probably scum, I don't think he is actually an unconvertible townie. Probably skirting a line to really go into the why.

2 cult leaders? What the hell did we walk into?



That question is kind of hard to answer, unless anyone has any idea what the recruitment order was. Especially with 2 leaders.

Make a vote scummo.

(ftr when i say "scum" i'm not referring to a specific alignment of mafia or cult)

[Zack]

lol at cuth's list of night actions. afraid of a tracker calling you out?

The cult might have for all I know, but it's pointless thanks to immunity. And I can't really be cult based on that argument, unless I'm cult leader #3 in this crazy religious war. Otherwise my behavior wouldn't be scummy all game.

we get there are TWO LEADERS OOOH SCARY, you don't have to keep pointing it out. Weird that you keep harping on it.

I don't think I ever specified I was accusing you of being cult, so Idk why that's what you're focusing on.

I could be mafia based on that, but somehow I think I overbussed Al if that's the case. Either way, lynching me is only a decent idea if we fail to flip another evil player in the next phase or so.

If you're unconvertible townie, why would lynching you ever be a good idea?

And bussing exists, it does not prove anything.

Why haven't the mafia killed me? Because my scummy posting and my mistype make me a super easy town lynch for starters.

Tell that to your fan club who keeps creaming themselves over how cleared you are. Kind of a strange answer, since if you really aren't mafia I'd assume the mafia left you alive since you're (supposedly) an anti-cult role, and they've been gung ho about killing off the cult. Not because you're lynch bait, because you aren't.

[Raith Kemmler]

1. Raith Kemmler- Yeah no. Try harder Zack. Your arguments are pretty awful.
2. Choxorn- The stinker this game. Mafia.
3. Jarema- The other Sir-not-appearing this game. Mafia.
8. Zack II- Mafia 3. No way Zack isn't evil, and he really doesn't look like cult.

If one of these guys isn't mafia, it's Jarema.
10. Visorslash- Maybe town. Not mafia.
15. Cuthillius- Doctor claim. Don't care to bother here till tomorrow.
20. atheotes- The towniest of town.

Vote: Zack

[Zack]

and btw all of you are suspicious on some level

it's particularly ridiculous to clear people in a cult game

[Zack]

1. Raith Kemmler- Yeah no. Try harder Zack. Your arguments are pretty awful.
2. Choxorn- The stinker this game. Mafia.
3. Jarema- The other Sir-not-appearing this game. Mafia.
8. Zack II- Mafia 3. No way Zack isn't evil, and he really doesn't look like cult.

If one of these guys isn't mafia, it's Jarema.
10. Visorslash- Maybe town. Not mafia.
15. Cuthillius- Doctor claim. Don't care to bother here till tomorrow.
20. atheotes- The towniest of town.

Vote: Zack

You are not unconvertible town. You and atheotes can go shove this stupid wagon up your collective bumholes. It is a distraction. Neither of you have made a case why I'm scum. YOUR arguments are pretty awful scummo.

[Zack]

Let me repeat that for a third time, with emphasis.

I am a townie who cannot be converted.

Raith Kemmler is NOT an unconvertible townie. He is lying.

[Raith Kemmler]

we get there are TWO LEADERS OOOH SCARY, you don't have to keep pointing it out. Weird that you keep harping on it.

It's my first game with a cult. Lighten up man.

I don't think I ever specified I was accusing you of being cult, so Idk why that's what you're focusing on..

You were pretty muddy with your accusation, so I covered both bases. Also, you're starting to skirt now around actual content.

And bussing exists, it does not prove anything.

Kind of does here. The mafia have to shoot the cult to keep them down and try to lynch them in the thread. Hard bussing is a bad idea currently. I bagged the first mafia. Does that clear me? Hell no. But I'm a weird as hell push for the phase after I actually was on the wagon that got one of them. The timing is all off for bussing, and your universalist statement ignores the context.

I'd assume the mafia left you alive since you're (supposedly) an anti-cult role, and they've been gung ho about killing off the cult. Not because you're lynch bait, because you aren't

A good mafia team does both, they would keep me alive to hedge the cult, and paint me guilty so they can lynch me later when cult is done You're pushing but not voting for me fits that picture like a glove. Or whatever mixed metaphor ya want.

[Zack]

Raith how do you know the number of mafia?

[Zack]

and cuth, you protected sooh? Thought you and her were always pushing each others' lynch? What happened there?

[Zack]

I think raith/atheotes/cuth are actually the scum team, and the cult might be gone. They are trying to push me, as mislynching me will seal the game for them numbers-wise.

SCUM: cuth, raith, atheotes

TOWN: zack, visor, jarrema, choxorn

[Zack]

explains why sooh was pushing cuth - they failed to convert him because he's mafia

honestly there could still be a cultist out there though. gah

[Raith Kemmler]

Raith how do you know the number of mafia?

I don't. I'm guessing based on a worst case scenario.

and cuth, you protected sooh? Thought you and her were always pushing each others' lynch? What happened there?

I'd also like this answered, actually.

I think raith/atheotes/cuth are actually the scum team, and the cult might be gone. They are trying to push me, as mislynching me will seal the game for them numbers-wise.

SCUM: cuth, raith, atheotes

TOWN: zack, visor, jarrema, choxorn

Yeah no. Cuth I can see, but in no world is Atheo mafia.

Zack's wriggling a hell of a lot, and claiming Chox and Jarema as clean is just bizarre.

Hmmm. Actually I'm curious about something.

Can I ask a question based on our role pms? Something Zack would know if he were unconvertible? Was that banned in the rules? I don't see it in the first post, but I need to ask as it's frequently forbidden.

[Zack]

Kind of does here. The mafia have to shoot the cult to keep them down and try to lynch them in the thread. Hard bussing is a bad idea currently. I bagged the first mafia. Does that clear me? Hell no. But I'm a weird as hell push for the phase after I actually was on the wagon that got one of them. The timing is all off for bussing, and your universalist statement ignores the context.

no no no

claiming credit like this is classic bussing

ATPG fingered Al Sipsclar days ago, and it took a long time for him to actually get lynched

[Zack]

You already failed the "something raith would know if he was unconvertible" test. Or else you would know I am telling the truth about my role. I waited to see how you would respond to my claim, and you failed the test.

[Zack]

I could see a jarrema/choxorn/visor scum team, but it seems unlikely. Raith and Cuth I'm pretty sure are mafia, and atheotes is the most logical third member. I was assuming there were only 3 mafia in the game until raith's post where he slipped that the mafia actually have 4 members.

[Zack]

I'm interested in seeing Visor's analysis when he finishes his re-read. I don't have the time atm for such an endeavor, and I wasn't paying super close attention to the thread while I was out.

[Raith Kemmler]

Oh I noticed your Hare Krishna thing. I'm just kind of paranoid about whether you're plucking that from a previous role.

But I think I'd like to play this a different way then.

So Zack, where will you go when you die?

What makes you something other than an unremarkable townie?

Is it your skepticism?

The fact that you're an agnostic?

Still think I'm evil?

[Zack]

Unvote

[atheotes]

Vote: Cuthillius

You smelly cultist. Mad that your conversion attempt failed? This agnostic despises the Hare Krishna. You are Paul Kinsey and I am Harry Crane.

I assume one became the mantle passed to a new leader after the OG died.


Um, I didn't drop it. What are you talking about? Cuth is a better suspect so I'm voting him.

the cult had night kill immunity for the starting phases. And if the leader position is passed down... I refuse to believe that the cult can recruit the same night when their leader is killed. Even if they can recruit, it would be Sooh who tried to recruit you. So your initial case on Cuth for a failed conversion attempt is a lie.

Raith, as there any conversion attempt on you? Did u get any message from the host?

[Zack]

I mentioned the agnostic thing in my original post too. Why did you not believe the claim?