Bird mafia [Concluded]

[Zack]

And to reiterate a point that was completely ignored.

In fact, I think it's weird you keep saying referencing "the cat" as if we're dealing with a serial killer, when the setup explicitly says this is mafia v. town and the d1 writeup even mentions a "bird mafia". Combined with the cat carrying out a lynch, which makes no sense for the mafia to do, I'm not convinced there even is a cat that's mafia. The nightkill attempts don't say anything about cats; if anything, it seems to imply the "bird mafia" are birds shooting other birds.

Leads me to why I think Takhisis was killed.

How do we know that the cat is the only scummo, again?

DING DING DING! One of the last posts Barto/Takhisis made. And right after his death, enter Beskar -- "oh my, what a strange kill! of course I would never do such a thing! now back to that evil cat again..."

Beskar keeps talking about "the cat" when the cat is not even the enemy! The very first post in the game says "this game will contain birds and bird byproducts", there is nothing about the possibility of other animals. The mafia are birds with guns. The cat is an NPC who carries out the lynches, not nightkills. And the first person who pointed this possibility out was promptly killed, despite the fact that they were lynchbait.

And Beskar ignored all of this and tried to shut me down by misconstruing my words and arguments and painting me as an illiterate buffoon.

[Zack]

Upon re-consideration I think Al Sips might actually be town. There is a stark difference between his behavior here and in barto's recent game (where al was mafia) and he is acting too flagrantly "bad townie" to be scum. An Al Sipsclar wagon is really low-effort.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Believe that's end of round. Tallying...

[Askthepizzaguy]

Al Sipsclar: 4 GH, Beskar, edse, Bsmith
Beskar: 3 Zack, Winston, Al Sips
Zack: 2 Khaan, atheotes

Not voting: Double A, Pelican

[Askthepizzaguy]

End of Day Three

Bird went wandering too close to habitat gate, which was still open. But bird had excellent vision, and spotted the cat.

Bird began to make his getaway.

Bird was quite speedy, and you'd think that bird would take flight and be rid of the cat once and for all, even if cat is good at climbing tree.

But Bird has tiny wings. Can't fly.

Lol flightless birds, amirite?

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Alive and predatorial birds:

Kiwikhaan
BirdSmith
Resplendent quetzack
Pelican
aletheotes
edseedsnipe
Winstone-curlew
General Hawkerchief
Besrakar
Doubleday's hummingbird


Dead:

Pigeon
Emu- Sooh
Turtle Dove- Autolycus
Turtle Dove- Jolt
Greater sage-grouse- El Barto
Flightless Cormorant- Al Sipsclar


BEGIN NIGHT THREE!

[Zack]

remember only mafia change their vote

[Zack]

10 living players, 5 dead townies

2 Town: Zack (duh), Winston (duh)

2 Scum: Beskar (been there), BSmith (lurking, jumps in on low-effort bandwagon --> bsmith is mafia)

4 Undecided: GeneralHankerchief (lean scum), atheotes (lean bleh), khaan (lean town), edse (lean town)

2 Inactive: Double A, Pelican (lean scum)

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I assume there's 3 scum in a 15 player game. {Beskar, BSmith, x} where x ≠ Zack, Winston Hughes. Right now my gut says GH and the scum piled on al sips to save beskar, but that does seem a bit foolhardy. I can see Pelican as mafia since Beskar mentioned him being inactive somehow automatically made him town and tried to move votes off him.

This GH post is really weird, I'd like him to explain it:

Anyone heavily involved with yesterday isn't scum, we need to go looking elsewhere.

Vote: Pelican

How do you define someone "heavily involved with yesterday" and why aren't they scum?

[GeneralHankerchief]

How do you define someone "heavily involved with yesterday" and why aren't they scum?

The D1 argument mostly revolving around Winston and Barto. Seemed like town vs. town.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Also why do you have Winston as lock town? Because of the Barto nightkill?

[GeneralHankerchief]

FWIW I have both you and Beskar as likely town, with you as slightly more likely. You made a decent case against him yesterday but Beskar's behavior does seem to be in line with how he usually plays as town - most notably publicly appearing as in the know and also claiming certain predictions of his were correct when said predictions were never made in the thread.

[BSmith]

2 Scum: Beskar (been there), BSmith (lurking, jumps in on low-effort bandwagon --> bsmith is mafia)

Nope. I was offline this weekend and didn’t want to give a throw away vote this morning. I also thought there was less time left in the day. As scum I will shy away from making a decisive vote. I do feel that you and Beskar are both town. (and really, what are the chances you rand scum three times in a row?)

[GeneralHankerchief]

(and really, what are the chances you rand scum three times in a row?)

Since we're not taking odds at the start of the three-game stretch but rather 2/3 of the way through it, his chances are precisely the same as his chances of being scum in one game.

[Zack]

The D1 argument mostly revolving around Winston and Barto. Seemed like town vs. town.

So... winston? At that point why bother to say "anyone"? And to be so sure of it.

Also why do you have Winston as lock town? Because of the Barto nightkill?

His behavior mostly, though the barto kill is a factor. What do you think about that kill choice? I don't see any other explanation than what I have proposed.

FWIW I have both you and Beskar as likely town, with you as slightly more likely. You made a decent case against him yesterday but Beskar's behavior does seem to be in line with how he usually plays as town - most notably publicly appearing as in the know and also claiming certain predictions of his were correct when said predictions were never made in the thread.

How would he act differently if he were mafia?

Nope. I was offline this weekend and didn’t want to give a throw away vote this morning. I also thought there was less time left in the day. As scum I will shy away from making a decisive vote. I do feel that you and Beskar are both town. (and really, what are the chances you rand scum three times in a row?)

Why Beskar town?

It wouldn't be in a row, fwiw. Barto's game here and the two mini games on CFC I was town.

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GH and BSmith, who do you actually suspect?

[Winston Hughes]

Also why do you have Winston as lock town?

Because he's scum.

But you already knew that, didn't you?

[GeneralHankerchief]

So... winston? At that point why bother to say "anyone"? And to be so sure of it.

I thought there was a third person siding with one of the two. Might've even been you.

What do you think about that kill choice? I don't see any other explanation than what I have proposed.

Bit odd, but I generally think devoting attention to making anything out of kill choices is a waste of time, especially this early on in the game. Endgame, fine, but not now.

How would he act differently if he were mafia?

Less like that?

GH and BSmith, who do you actually suspect?

I did suspect Al Sips until about two hours ago when Pizza posted the lynch. Beyond that I think our scum is some combination of BSmith, one or two of our inactive players, and maybe atheotes.

[Beskar]

Less like that?

Very obvious, but yes, you are correct with that GH.

[Winston Hughes]

I think our scum is some combination of BSmith, one or two of our inactive players, and maybe atheotes.

I think our scum is some combination of you, Zack and Beskar.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Zack/Beskar scum combo would be interesting. Wonder if they're the type to bus each other that hard, this early.

[Beskar]

Zack/Beskar scum combo would be interesting. Wonder if they're the type to bus each other that hard, this early.

If it was true, I would use my night kill on Zack at this point (even if he was my 'partner'). Now, I can only pray for such an outcome.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Is that even allowed?

And why bring up an unnecessary WIFOM?

[Beskar]

Is that even allowed?

I would actually be surprised if it would ever be allowed in a mafia game. Would only work if there were different factions.

[Zack]

Is that even allowed?

And why bring up an unnecessary WIFOM?

I've done it before. Well, kind of. It was a cult. And a personal daykill ability with limited uses.

[Zack]

If it was true, I would use my night kill on Zack at this point (even if he was my 'partner'). Now, I can only pray for such an outcome.

what would possess you to even say such a thing, it doesn't make sense from any perspective

[Winston Hughes]

Am I dead yet?

[Zack]

are we bird, or are we dancer?

[Beskar]

what would possess you to even say such a thing, it doesn't make sense from any perspective

Admittedly, it was to try stop a possible night kill on myself.

[Zack]

thought you wanted to die to prove all your reads correct?

[Beskar]

Unfortunately, they are not correct. There were a couple of factors I failed to involve which GH corrected me of. I would like to try another re-read in the future, just for ego-sake. So dying wouldn't show much at this point, and getting wrong reads means it would put weight into my reads, which would be advantageous to the scum (thus, saying this now to dispel that reasoning if I die).

Though in a "before I die" moment, some of my early game discussion about the cat was confusion on my part, as I thought the cat was the mafia, then at the 2nd night kill, I realised there is no cat involvement in it, but another bird and re-read the first night kill, thus 'change of tone'.

[Askthepizzaguy]

End of Night Three

Bird is a very curious and courageous bird. Bird has no fear of humans, for example. And Bird had never even met a feline.

So you can imagine how Bird was feeling when Bird saw something approach that night.

First Bird let out very friendly greeting honk. But there was no reply.

Bird waddled right up to this new friend, tiny wings outstretched.

And Bird is very popular in entire world. Bird is even major Hollywood movie star. One of cutest Birds of all. In Antarctica, Bird commands respect and admiration. Bird pretty much own the land and the sea. You see, in Antarctica, Bird has no natural predators.

But Bird not in Antarctica anymore, is Bird?

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Bird was shot so much, Bird now unrecognizable.

Alive and predatorial birds:

Kiwikhaan
BirdSmith
Resplendent quetzack
Pelican
edseedsnipe
Winstone-curlew
General Hawkerchief
Besrakar
Doubleday's hummingbird


Dead:

Pigeon - narrator
Emu- Sooh
Turtle Dove- Autolycus
Turtle Dove- Jolt
Greater sage-grouse- El Barto
Flightless Cormorant- Al Sipsclar
Penguin- atheotes

BEGIN DAY FOUR!

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