Brexit Thread

[Husar]

Moving into a good direction presupposes some steps amounting to fulfulling Minsk agreements. None of those were taken, starting with point 1 - ceasefire. So they will have to invent something more credible - or disregard possible uproar completely. Especially if uproar is going to be small as you expect.

Uproar where?
https://scontent.ftxl1-1.fna.fbcdn.n...24&oe=582D3A73

This one claims 2/3rds of Germans are against stationing troops near Russia and 9 of 10 wish for more dialogue with Russia.
Even if the numbers are inflated, I think you would hardly find anyone in (Western) Europe against it willing to start an uproar even if politicians claimed it was a mistake in the first place.

The problem with such governments as the EU has is that they take all decisions by consensus. Having politically diverse members with historically different ties makes the whole machinery very unwieldy and easily subject to outward influences piecemeal. As a result, decisions favored by most (but not all) are harder to take and easier to botch. Corporations, on the other hand, are under one hand, so their decision taking process isn't that complicated. Thus, it is hard for corporations to influence the EU government as a whole (which isn't true of national governments), but they can prevent some steps they don't like by working with national factions within the united goverment.

The goal is political integration, given that most member countries have very similar democracies and democratic "traditions", I'd assume that shouldn't be too hard once nationalism is out of the way. If it breaks apart due to nationalism before that, well, too bad...You get what you vote for as a people.

Since they aren't good at either of those, the example is good - just think how an organization this big and clumsy would govern anything.

You keep assuming that it would have to be big and clumsy, or were you arguing that we'd all be better off if efficient super corporations ruled over us?