Terrorist Spree

[Husar]

A franco-tunisian, thank you colonial empires?

Pretty obvious that the colonialist policies of foreign intervention are backfiring now.

[Greyblades]

Obviously we should have made sure that every person that could have identified with the people we were bombing had been exiled from the country before we started intervening.

[Husar]

Obviously we should have made sure that every person that could have identified with the people we were bombing had been exiled from the country before we started intervening.

Or they could have followed the example set by the Beacon of Freedom™ and put them into concentration camps.

telling France they were asking for it? Victim blaming in my opinion

So when you touch a hot oven and it burns you, it's victim blaming to say you shouldn't have touched a hot oven? I was saying that colonializing countries may have consequences, even late ones. Have you not noticed that the former and current colonial empires are hit far more often by terrorist attacks than the countries that barely had any or no colonies? Has noone ever noticed that the offspring of people who migrated to the UK or France from their colonies are often the troublemakers today? That these countries had a lot more people of non-white skin color long before the current refugee wave? How many disgruntled polo-africans live in Poland and how many colonies did Poland have in Africa? How many terrorist attacks happened in Poland? How many in Germany? Or in Austria? Should we blame Africans for not wanting to be ruled by Europeans so we don't engage in victim blaming? Is it victim blaming to say that lots of Germans died in Russia and later Germany was the Germans' fault? After all it was the nasty Russians who shot them, no?

And where did I blame the victims of this attack? I blamed the politicians and the country as a whole for its politics and its politics of the past since people here seemed to assume that everyone who is a terrorist now in France came due to the Schengen agreement or the recent refugee wave. I don't know how or why all the colonials moved to Britain and France over the years, but if you really want to source it, you could just as well blame the ones who drove that colonialization for not having the foresight to see that future generations would be ashamed and open the borders. The world would generally be better off today if politics had stopped evolving in the early 17th century.

I'm saying that in the grand scheme of things we often are the bully blaming the victims for fighting back. We want to do with them what we want and want competition but we don't want them to fight back. It seems shizophrenic. We fish away all the fish in front of the African coast so we can make more profit than the local fishers and then wonder why they become pirates instead of trying to turn the sand, which is basically all they have left now, into gold via alchemy. We are like the noblemen of the French revolution who wondered why the peasants, whom they tried to get more and more taxes out of for nothing in return, suddenly wanted to cut off their heads...

Where was this islamic terrorism before we colonized the Middle East and Africa?

[Pannonian]

Where was this islamic terrorism before we colonized the Middle East and Africa?

Knocking on the gates of Vienna?

The Muslim world began in the deserts of Arabia. They didn't become so widespread through peaceful debate.

[Greyblades]

Or they could have followed the example set by the Beacon of Freedom™ and put them into concentration camps.

You get the zyklon, I'll get the lye.

So when you touch a hot oven and it burns you, it's victim blaming to say you shouldn't have touched a hot oven? I was saying that colonializing countries may have consequences, even late ones. Have you not noticed that the former and current colonial empires are hit far more often by terrorist attacks than the countries that barely had any or no colonies? Has noone ever noticed that the offspring of people who migrated to the UK or France from their colonies are often the troublemakers today? That these countries had a lot more people of non-white skin color long before the current refugee wave? How many disgruntled polo-africans live in Poland and how many colonies did Poland have in Africa? How many terrorist attacks happened in Poland? How many in Germany? Or in Austria? Should we blame Africans for not wanting to be ruled by Europeans so we don't engage in victim blaming? Is it victim blaming to say that lots of Germans died in Russia and later Germany was the Germans' fault? After all it was the nasty Russians who shot them, no?

And where did I blame the victims of this attack? I blamed the politicians and the country as a whole for its politics and its politics of the past since people here seemed to assume that everyone who is a terrorist now in France came due to the Schengen agreement or the recent refugee wave. I don't know how or why all the colonials moved to Britain and France over the years, but if you really want to source it, you could just as well blame the ones who drove that colonialization for not having the foresight to see that future generations would be ashamed and open the borders. The world would generally be better off today if politics had stopped evolving in the early 17th century.

I'm saying that in the grand scheme of things we often are the bully blaming the victims for fighting back. We want to do with them what we want and want competition but we don't want them to fight back. It seems shizophrenic. We fish away all the fish in front of the African coast so we can make more profit than the local fishers and then wonder why they become pirates instead of trying to turn the sand, which is basically all they have left now, into gold via alchemy. We are like the noblemen of the French revolution who wondered why the peasants, whom they tried to get more and more taxes out of for nothing in return, suddenly wanted to cut off their heads...

Where was this islamic terrorism before we colonized the Middle East and Africa?

So... Where's the non islamic colonial inspired terrorism? We have a tonne of indians and chinese in our nation and none of them have sought to kill us in the name of thier forebears.

I think you are using the word "Colonial" wrong.

[Husar]

Knocking on the gates of Vienna?

The Muslim world began in the deserts of Arabia. They didn't become so widespread through peaceful debate.

Now you're equating the typical conquests of that time to the modern terrorism, well done!
What about knocking on the gates of Jerusalem? Or knocking on the gates of Moscow?
Does that mean Christians and French people are inherently violent and want to subjugate the world?
How often did the Mamelukes send suicide terrorists to Europe to kill as many people as possible to spread the terror again?

So... Where's the non islamic colonial inspired terrorism? We have a tonne of indians and chinese in our nation and none of them have sought to kill us in the name of thier forebears.

I think you are using the word "Colonial" wrong.

When was the last time you overthrew an Indian government in favor of a dictator due to a dispute over oil exports?
When was the last time you supplied a Chinese dictator with weapons so he could continue to serve his interests and keep his people down?
Not all colonies were treated in the same way and not all of them served the same purposes. Not all of them were let go the same way.
Like how many borders did you arbitrarily re-draw to include fighting tribes within the same nation in Asia? I thought you were such experts on what constitutes a nation and why a nation is the greatest thing ever. Why then are all the Middle Eastern nations whose borders you drew after colonialism so internally rotten, full of distrust and conflict? Why are they always shown with maps of which ethnicity doesn't like which other ethnicity and a dozen more ethnicities that want nothing to do with them?

I'm NOT saying it was all peaceful there before colonialism, I just don't recall them sending terrorists over to kill and scare us before that. How could they fight back in another way? Boycott McDonald's? Vote for another dictator? Set up an army and expell all foreign lobbyists after defeating the government that we equipped with high-tech weaponry? Tell me what a Saudi Arabian who is not happy with all the oil being sold off to the US for the profit of the Saud family can do to stop it that actually has an impact, other than kill a lot of people in Europe? Stage a peaceful protest in Riyad?

[Pannonian]

Now you're equating the typical conquests of that time to the modern terrorism, well done!
What about knocking on the gates of Jerusalem? Or knocking on the gates of Moscow?
Does that mean Christians and French people are inherently violent and want to subjugate the world?
How often did the Mamelukes send suicide terrorists to Europe to kill as many people as possible to spread the terror again?

You're blaming European colonialism for everything the Muslims do. However, the Muslims did more than a spot of colonising themselves. And they did the old form of colonising, ie. killing everyone who used to live there before repopulating with their own. Why do you not blame them for this? Because the west is to blame for everything, as per the bleeding heart liberal line. TBF, the colonised didn't get up to much terrorism at the time, probably mainly due to the fact that they were dead. Rubbing out the native population is an effective way of ending resistance in that generation and for generations to come.

[Brenus]

France had a huge Colonial Empire in Indochina. Not a single Vietnamese exploded himself on a French market... Colonialism is not the answer...

[Husar]

You're blaming European colonialism for everything the Muslims do.

No, a lot of muslims do things that noone needs to be blamed for, I'm not blaming anyone for those. And I don't blame the West for all the wars Muslims had between themselves before colonialization? I could swear that I mentioned that the region wasn't exactly peaceful before it got colonized, it just didn't send suicide attackers to Europe around that time...

However, the Muslims did more than a spot of colonising themselves. And they did the old form of colonising, ie. killing everyone who used to live there before repopulating with their own. Why do you not blame them for this? Because the west is to blame for everything, as per the bleeding heart liberal line. TBF, the colonised didn't get up to much terrorism at the time, probably mainly due to the fact that they were dead. Rubbing out the native population is an effective way of ending resistance in that generation and for generations to come.

Or maybe because it is not relevant to the topic? Were we talking about muslims who decide to kill civilians in Europe or the USA today, why would I bring up muslim military conquests from 200+ years ago? 200 years ago everyone was conquesting someone. Why do you never blame Christianity for Charlemagne genociding all the Saxons who refused to convert to Christianity? Maybe because that is not relevant anymore? Maybe that's why I didn't bring it up either?

France had a huge Colonial Empire in Indochina. Not a single Vietnamese exploded himself on a French market... Colonialism is not the answer...

Maybe they just don't have a handy ideological excuse or already had vented their anger when they embraced communism and kicked you out? Vietnam is not currently an ally of the West in the way several Middle Eastern dictatorships or "kingdoms" are, who don't always treat their people with the values we embrace for ourselves. Its borders were also not redrawn by you to include completely different competing tribes etc. And then they already had their share of terrorism while they were getting rid of your influence:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viet_C...ed_struggle.22

Ami Pedahzur has written that "the overall volume and lethality of Vietcong terrorism rivals or exceeds all but a handful of terrorist campaigns waged over the last third of the twentieth century"

So nice try, but apparently not such a good point in the end.

[Beskar]

So when you touch a hot oven and it burns you, it's victim blaming to say you shouldn't have touched a hot oven?

The US ruled on this. A women went into mc Donald's and poured coffee over herself, she was scalded and sued Maccy D's and won. So now, coffee needs a warning label 'contents may be hot'. You shouldn't victim blame at all.

Some argue we should follow the US's courts decision and make Terrorists wear warning labels which say 'warning, may kill people' and then apply this on all those who follow terrorist characteristics to be on the safe side.

[Hooahguy]

The US ruled on this. A women went into mc Donald's and poured coffee over herself, she was scalded and sued Maccy D's and won. So now, coffee needs a warning label 'contents may be hot'. You shouldn't victim blame at all.

Should mention that she got third degree burns from the coffee so it was more than a case of just "ouch thats hot coffee" and probably why she won the case.

[Beskar]

Should mention that she got third degree burns from the coffee so it was more than a case of just "ouch thats hot coffee" and probably why she won the case.

I was trying to disguise a pointed political argument within a joke.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

You can chicken and egg the historical antecedents of these things ad nauseum.

The core concern is really rather simple -- How do we defeat them? As with much that is simple, simple does not equal easy.

[Strike For The South]

So when you touch a hot oven and it burns you, it's victim blaming to say you shouldn't have touched a hot oven?

It's interesting you use this analogy. Deep down you fear Muslims, as evidenced by you equating them to a hot oven. This is quite the insight into your psyche. The self blame is really just an extension of the self hate you wear on your sleeve. That parts not as interesting.

Of course your colonial argument is total nonsense.

[Husar]

It's interesting you use this analogy. Deep down you fear Muslims, as evidenced by you equating them to a hot oven. This is quite the insight into your psyche. The self blame is really just an extension of the self hate you wear on your sleeve. That parts not as interesting.

Of course your colonial argument is total nonsense.

Thank you Dr. Freud.
Do you have anything to say on my argument or did you just want to let me know that you didn't study psychology?
Showtime's post made me think about my argument, which is why I didn't reply with a rebuttal, yours just makes me sad because there's nothing to think about other than your suggestion that I would hate myself. Shall I think about whether I should become depressed now or what's the point?

[Strike For The South]

Thank you Dr. Freud.
Do you have anything to say on my argument or did you just want to let me know that you didn't study psychology?
Showtime's post made me think about my argument, which is why I didn't reply with a rebuttal, yours just makes me sad because there's nothing to think about other than your suggestion that I would hate myself. Shall I think about whether I should become depressed now or what's the point?

Just like Hertzog

[Strike For The South]

A franco-tunisian, thank you colonial empires?

Pretty obvious that the colonialist policies of foreign intervention are backfiring now.

telling France they were asking for it? Victim blaming in my opinion