IMMIGRATION thread

[Seamus Fermanagh]

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I mean I see your point and I like it, it's just once a sizeable majority uses the freedom to think what they want to think and express that others should be barred from those same freedoms that I think the freedom sort of defeats itself...

I cannot argue that what you say is impossible. I can assert that USA culture, from inception to present, does NOT lend itself to such. A tyranny of the majority would have to be profound majority to re-cast things in a fascist mold given our system. And yes, it is the cultural difference above all that spells the difference.

Different places, with different traditions and cultural views HAVE taken the "boot on the neck" approach and used it successfully for decades at a stretch. That is why I expressed myself as I did -- I am not going to claim that I am so knowledgeable of your culture that I could judge the rightness of such laws in that context. I only expressed reservations.

[Papewaio]

I cannot argue that what you say is impossible. I can assert that USA culture, from inception to present, does NOT lend itself to such. A tyranny of the majority would have to be profound majority to re-cast things in a fascist mold given our system. And yes, it is the cultural difference above all that spells the difference.

Different places, with different traditions and cultural views HAVE taken the "boot on the neck" approach and used it successfully for decades at a stretch. That is why I expressed myself as I did -- I am not going to claim that I am so knowledgeable of your culture that I could judge the rightness of such laws in that context. I only expressed reservations.

I'm not convinced this is as true as we would like it to be. At inception the U.S. had slavery, it had a bloody civil war, various fiddling with elections in South America, racial segregation, and most closest to the current situation was the era of Joseph McCarthy.

Just replace Joseph McCarthy rhetoric of Reds with Muslims and the current situation could easily devolve into a similar situation.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

I'm not convinced this is as true as we would like it to be. At inception the U.S. had slavery, it had a bloody civil war, various fiddling with elections in South America, racial segregation, and most closest to the current situation was the era of Joseph McCarthy.

Just replace Joseph McCarthy rhetoric of Reds with Muslims and the current situation could easily devolve into a similar situation.

Yet forces struggled throughout the history of the republic to right those injustices, even at the cost of 600k+ dead. We have our demagogues (Trump, Coughlin, Long) and they do enjoy success for a time but there is too much cultural pull towards individual rights and liberties for it too last. May take us longer than it should in terms of ideal morality choices to correct our problems....but we do.

McCarthy was an opportunist who did a good bit of fear-mongering to make himself a "player." That too faded when the public found him going too far.

Though it should be noted that he was actually a lot more accurate in his predictions that we were riddled by the Chekists than modern sensibilities like to recall. Once the CCCP stopped being a going concern, their old records were quite revealing.

[Hooahguy]

Watch yourselves Gentlemen. That video about the people who had their houses raided came too close to advocating the works of a Holocaust denier for comfort so I decided to delete it from this thread. In the future, refrain from posting such things.

[Gilrandir]

Watch yourselves Gentlemen.

Chauvinism!! What if there are some ladies around here?

[Fragony]

Fine but that was not what was in there, guy just liked a picture

[Legs]

Fine but that was not what was in there, guy just liked a picture

False.
As was pointed out to another person who made that claim, the video proves that to not be true in the first 10 minutes.

[Fragony]

Well it has been deleted so I'm not in plain sight anymore phew. There are no more than 10 minutes that is roughly how long the interview is. And it isn't there.

[Greyblades]

Watch yourselves Gentlemen. That video about the people who had their houses raided came too close to advocating the works of a Holocaust denier for comfort so I decided to delete it from this thread. In the future, refrain from posting such things.

You might want to update the FAQ, for I was under the impression that "Any subject is open for discussion in the Backroom"

The main reason I come here and not elsewhere is because we are allowed to discuss political issue without being interfered by mods using thier powers to suppress a political viewpoint. The deletion is an extreme overreaction and if this is a sign of a change in the way this board is moderated then I will lose my main reason to stay.

[Gilrandir]

I will lose my main reason to stay.

Somehow the British are repeating themselves. After Bexit we will witness Greyblaxit?

[Fragony]

Kinda torn on it, should be some limits, you can have a nazi-forum in no-time, if someone really feels the need to deny the holocaust it belongs in the monestary I think. How it's treated if someone does here.

[Hooahguy]

You might want to update the FAQ, for I was under the impression that "Any subject is open for discussion in the Backroom"

The main reason I come here and not elsewhere is because we are allowed to discuss political issue without being interfered by mods using thier powers to suppress a political viewpoint. The deletion is an extreme overreaction and if this is a sign of a change in the way this board is moderated then I will lose my main reason to stay.

As moderator I felt it better to delete the video to stay on the safe side. Overreaction on my part? Perhaps, but you have also been here long enough to know this is a rare occurrence so I feel you might be overreacting as well.

[Greyblades]

As moderator I felt it better to delete the video to stay on the safe side.

Safe side of what? What rule does it break?