Futuramafia [Concluded]

[Montmorency]

Not exactly, but let's wait to hear the news.

maybe i just won't shoot anybody, how bout that

[Stork]

dp101 and bsmith likely wolves then right?

or we had v/v/v/v wagons day 1

[Stork]

wolves probably not killing el barto because its pro-village

don't know why people assume that

[Montmorency]

or we had v/v/v/v wagons day 1

What do you mean?

[Montmorency]

wolves probably not killing el barto because its pro-village

don't know why people assume that

Who assumes what now? Please be clearer in your writing.

[Stork]

What do you mean?

elbarto (confirmed v)/spaceman (confirmed v)/Crimson (likely v)/bsmith (unknown)

if they are all villagers people played pretty poorly overall day 1, could happen but seems less likely than one of them being a wolf

[Stork]

Who assumes what now? Please be clearer in your writing.

el barto assumes that he is dead by someone other than crimson fox

when it seems more likely fox shot him (since no scum faction would) and the scum kill was unused/blocked/prevented/etc.

[Dp101]

dp101 and bsmith likely wolves then right?

Why am I a wolf?

[Stork]

Why am I a wolf?

i just kinda think you are a wolf rn

[Montmorency]

Ok, I thought you were using "v" as "villain". I'm not down with your profesh lingo.

As for Barto's death, my complaint would be that all indications were that Fox would choose to pursue a lynch of Bart over a kill, if either at this point. Can you find comments otherwise?

[Dp101]

i just kinda think you are a wolf rn

Well, the feeling was once mutual, and apparently is again.

[Stork]

Ok, I thought you were using "v" as "villain". I'm not down with your profesh lingo.

As for Barto's death, my complaint would be that all indications were that Fox would choose to pursue a lynch of Bart over a kill, if either at this point. Can you find comments otherwise?

the most simple answer is that:
he said he was thinking of shooting el barto
others suggested the same thing
there was one kill
el barto was unlikely to be killed by scum
el barto died

could be more convoluted, though obviously that will be evident when he comes to the thread and says something

if he wanted to lynch him because he thought he was scum there isn't really a reason to not just shoot him, given he can (presumably). More value killing him asap, gaining the information for the town, resolving the wagons etc.

[Stork]

Well, the feeling was once mutual, and apparently is again.

why did you think i was a wolf?

why did you not think i was a wolf later?

and then why do you think i am a wolf now?

[Dp101]

why did you think i was a wolf?

why did you not think i was a wolf later?

and then why do you think i am a wolf now?

Early on I dislike your tone. Your really short responses and quiet start sounded to me like a mafia trying just barely to stay in as an active participant. Then, earlier today, when I made my post about how I felt that I really screwed up the lynch, for some reason you stuck in my mind as someone who was a voice of reason, probably because it was novice's criticism of me that made me realise I was an idiot, thus making me trust him, and he thought you were solid town. Now, you think crimson did the kill, which to me feels very odd given his (seemingly) pacifistic comments, how close El was to the lynch, and crimson IIRC not thinking that El was that scummy, on top of you thinking I am now a wolf for no reason. So there, that is my thoughts around you.

[Stork]

Who do you think killed el barto?

[Montmorency]

if he wanted to lynch him because he thought he was scum there isn't really a reason to not just shoot him, given he can (presumably).

Yes, but he clearly had other scum leans, and he was rather vocal about them. He could probably expect you, novice, DP, and others to join or at least consider a Bart lynch.

Also, he never explicitly said he would vig Bart, or anyone specific. His posts tapered off soon after the reveal.

[Stork]

should generally play for the team, not yourself as the vig imo

i learned that once

[GeneralHankerchief]

Checking in.

I agree that Barto probably wasn't a mafia kill due to him being lynchbait.

Checking out, 'night all.

[Montmorency]

should generally play for the team, not yourself as the vig imo

i learned that once

So are you saying a Bart vig would be for the team, or for vendetta? And people once called me cryptic.

Looking back at Crimson's posts, he actually speaks almost entirely for brief and vague comments about BSmith and GH (early on), sniping at Bart, and reacting to his own wagon. Still...

[Dp101]

Who do you think killed el barto?

No clue. Kind of leaning to scum to frame crimson, but we'll see.

[Visor]

Vote: choxorn

[Stork]

So are you saying a Bart vig would be for the team, or for vendetta? And people once called me cryptic.

Looking back at Crimson's posts, he actually speaks almost entirely for brief and vague comments about BSmith and GH (early on), sniping at Bart, and reacting to his own wagon. Still...

its for the team because it gives information about how the eod played out, information about the people that voted el barto, information about el bartos reads

if he had of shot off wagon and hit a vt, the info gained would be worth far less

[Stork]

No clue. Kind of leaning to scum to frame crimson, but we'll see.

well thats dumb lmao

[Montmorency]

its for the team because it gives information about how the eod played out, information about the people that voted el barto, information about el bartos reads

if he had of shot off wagon and hit a vt, the info gained would be worth far less

No. You know the saying "two birds with one stone?" If there's valuable information to be obtained from flips, then you force a secondary flip through your vig and then lynch the primary candidate who's lined up anyway. This strategy is the most appropriate, all the more so when it's the first night.

[Riedquat]

No clue. Kind of leaning to scum to frame crimson, but we'll see.

Why frame instead of kill him? O.o

[Dp101]

Why frame instead of kill him? O.o

Because there is a possibility of town doctors believing his claim and protecting him, and also it wastes the lynch.

[Stork]

No. You know the saying "two birds with one stone?" If there's valuable information to be obtained from flips, then you force a secondary flip through your vig and then lynch the primary candidate who's lined up anyway. This strategy is the most appropriate, all the more so when it's the first night.

but now we get to play a whole day without having to wonder about el bartos alignment, which we already did yesterday

[Montmorency]

el bartos alignment, which we already did yesterday

And so now we will search for another lynch candidate, about whose alignment we will wonder. This clearly gives town less absolute information then the approach I outlined.

[Stork]

And so now we will search for another lynch candidate, about whose alignment we will wonder. This clearly gives town less absolute information then the approach I outlined.

yeah but we have more information for a longer amount of time

and in this information centric text based game i think thats reasonably valuable

we can discuss the specific gto approach of it at some other point, i think your approach has merit though so does mine

[Visor]

crimson is self resolving anyway

i wouldn't worry about it