Futuramafia [Concluded]

[novice]

If Crimson is scum and scum want to kill El Barto - then surely Crimson would have done the kill and then claim to have vigged him?

Crimson as scum only makes sense as a double bluff.

[Dp101]

still looking for your big blob.

It is post number 575.

[CrimsonFox]

Ok, so reads wise right now I like Pelican for having generally solid ideas that are logical. Past that, Cuthillius looks like wrong town, I still kind of dislike stork's extremely brief responses, and I really don't like general's seemingly random tunneling on me around lynch time. I am not a fan of El Barto's posts so far due to how none of his posts feel like they make a case himself, and instead he just jumps onto whatever wagon looks half decent while posting random jokes, but if that is how he normally plays as village I will let it slide for at least one more day. Visor frustrates me, his short posts with definite accusations that have no discernible logic behind them make him seem like mafia just trying to make a case on anyone, but again, if that is how he plays as village then I'm not sure what I'm meant to do because I have nothing to read him on. Winston doesn't feel that great to me right now, his posts again feel a bit non-committal. Novice has kind of fallen off of my radar right now, and no one else has really posted enough for me to have a read on them

ah okay...missed it as it was a big stream of consciousness paragraph that i didn't read. :)
was looking for an ordered list.

thanks for finding it for me bud

[Dp101]

ah okay...missed it as it was a big stream of consciousness paragraph that i didn't read. :)
was looking for an ordered list.

thanks for finding it for me bud

NP, still working on figuring out a standardised format for read lists. I really dislike the ones that are literally just a sequence of names from most to least scummy, but I have yet to find a good alternative.

[CrimsonFox]

If Crimson is scum and scum want to kill El Barto - then surely Crimson would have done the kill and then claim to have vigged him?

Crimson as scum only makes sense as a double bluff.

single bluff really. i mean. "if i'm not vig at all"
then again i've just suffered through a game where everyone claims seer not as the seer and were not scum..

but why wouldn'ti just claim seer.

[CrimsonFox]

but that's irrelevant. I'm not going to force ideas on what i am to you.
Because I know it means nothing coming from me. You guys form your own conclusions.

[CrimsonFox]

NP, still working on figuring out a standardised format for read lists. I really dislike the ones that are literally just a sequence of names from most to least scummy, but I have yet to find a good alternative.

something like

A - scummy because X

b - Slightly scummy because

C- towny because Y


something like that

[CrimsonFox]

your reads dp have mimicked mine at various times during this game. Some of my views have changed however

[CrimsonFox]

oh and this one changed again...
third time's the charm

vote: bsmith

[CrimsonFox]

taking a shower and then maybe a snack and tv.

bbl

[Stork]

DP is still lock town in my books and shall continue to be.

I think Stork is a bit wolfish for "dp and bsmith likely wolves then"

a bit more shade than necessary

visor could be scum

i don't like his behavior before eod

Vote:Stork

wanna tdome?

[Stork]

Vote: Cuthillius

[novice]

so that's his power....talk while dead?

All vanilla townies can talk while dead.

I have Barto as null for the most part, but after going back and checking the Cuthilius/novice exchange I think it's a good look on him, especially if the flips go correctly.

What did you mean here, GeneralHankerchief?

[novice]

Ah, Pelican was the one who agreed on Cuthillius' lock town read on Dp101.

Cuthillius feels off but his GitP play (which I'm more used to) is always way different from his play in these fast paced games and it throws me off every time. What's messing with my head especially this time is that I very strongly agree with him on DP. That's my only really strong town lean right now.

Do you still think DP is town, Pelican?

[novice]

In other news, I should let you all know that I've been summoned to a military training exercise starting tomorrow and lasting until Tuesday afternoon. My ability to participate in this game will be spotty at best. So I may miss night 2 and day 3 in its entirety. Sorry about this, it wasn't on my radar when I signed up.

[Murska]

anyone wanna guess why i didn't shoot?

may or may not tell you if you are right

Because you're not vig?

Vote: Montmorency for now, because I generally agree with Pelican.

[CrimsonFox]

All vanilla townies can talk while dead.

*blink blink*

[atheotes]

time to catch up. Whats happening?

[Montmorency]

So, now we have a wagon of out-of-towners on me because their thought processes align beautifully and they demand specific and regular reports on reads. Well first of all, let me tell you that I will not cater to your preferred playstyle. I don't do reads. I might give out a hunch here and there, but generally I have little faith in "reads", far less even than the elaborate full-blown cases a player might make later in the game. Lump it.

I do not believe you all are a hive mind or scum group, just similar enough as to be interchangeable. Give the same courtesy to your critics.

And DP, what is your position on Bart now, in light of Crimson's claim? Was he or was he not lynchbait?

[Dp101]

I think he was still lynchbait.

[Riedquat]

My hunch is the exactly the opposite Monty, first a wagon over Barto with people who never played with him, then mafia killed Barto (Why???) and now a bunch of people who never played with you are wagoning you and I don't have a clue why... :(

The vigilante didn't kill just because and now we all are wondering if he is another thing... good logic... no!

All newbie are scum or they have hive mind you mentioned! Very improbable I know... but that is the feeling!

[GeneralHankerchief]

Moderator note: I've edited some posts for content. No game-worthy information has been altered. Please try to be more courteous with each other in the future and tone down the language somewhat.

[GeneralHankerchief]

What did you mean here, GeneralHankerchief?

The way the votes went down at the time I made that post, I said that because of what my reads were (Cuth town, novice scummy) and where Barto's vote was, it was a good look on Barto if the flips matched my reads. This has mostly petered out by now.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Other musings:

I think the wagon on Monty is off base. This is his style. That said, Pelican is still town here.

I'd still like to hear an explanation from DP about his discrepancy regarding his read on CrimsonFox.

CrimsonFox is probably town by this point.

Vote: DP101

[BSmith]

you tilt me so much with your hypocritical bullshit

you weren't even here during lynchtime

this is dedicated to you

This post too pisses me off. No...you are not allowed to tell me when to be here and then decide I am a wolf when i don't follow your bullshit orders. You were not here yesterday at lynchtime....why not?
real life?

gee welcome to the damn club

You are beginning to cross the line here in my opinion. Play the game, not the player. Attack the post, not the poster. And please multi-quote or compose your thoughts before posting. There is no need for 5 consecutive posts in 5 minutes from a single poster.

I think my suggestion was perfectly acceptable. You made a claim that I am asking you to prove – that you are a Vig. You were online and very active in both RL days during D1 in the hours leading up to the end of the phase. It is a logical assumption that you would be online at the same time the next day during the night phase. Your absence could certainly be due to RL. I get that. But an alternative scenario is that you avoided posting at all so that you could avoid having to respond to my request. Your edginess and defensiveness is leading me to believe the latter is the case. My activity or timeline for being online has absolutely no bearing on when you can be online and posting. You made the claim to be a vig. I’m asking you to prove it.

On the matter of being a vig… A vig should always kill. Not doing so is abdicating a powerful tool that the town has to find and eliminate the mafia. Sure there is a high chance of getting a villager in the early stages, but if you don’t use it there is zero chance of finding a wolf. Just about any reasoning or logic behind the target selection will also reduce the risks of hitting a villager and will only increase the chances of getting a wolf. Always. Kill.

Same thing for the lynch. The town should always lynch. Period.

Claiming vig and then not using the ability is even worse than just sitting back and quietly not killing as a vig. It draws a lot of attention to you and has a significant potential to draw a doctor or watcher/tracker to you, potentially wasting their efforts as well – especially if you don’t use your ability.

A doctor is going to protect you so you can use the ability – not so you can sit on your hands and dither. A tracker/watcher is likely to check you out to verify your claim. Not killing wastes their time and prevents them from tracking/watching someone else, and potentially finding a real wolf.

Fake claiming vig also wastes these role’s abilities as they attempt to verify/protect you when they could be out doing real work. It is also a very selfish move that focuses attention on you and not on finding the real scum. If you fake claimed, please fess up now (or did you already do that but weren’t that clear about it?).

As much as I don’t like your posting, I don’t think scum would play like you have. So, unvote for now.

[Montmorency]

I think he was still lynchbait.

Good. Yes. Now, who were the likeliest voters?

Evidently you, Crimson, novice, Stork - and Winston Hughes. Riddle me that.

[Montmorency]

I like your post, BSmith, but I have to qualify that (in the late-game), zealous vigs have a very mixed record. Vigs who "save" their kills for their later hunches have a high chance of being misled and wiping out town voting blocs. In other words, they should be killing regularly from the beginning, until they have reason to stop.

And speaking of voting blocs...

[Dp101]

I think the wagon on Monty is off base. This is his style. That said, Pelican is still town here.

I'd still like to hear an explanation from DP about his discrepancy regarding his read on CrimsonFox.

Vote: DP101

Again, I said that they might be more scummy if it looked like they claimed vig just to be able to kill freely, but also, remember my post during the night about how everything I posted around lynchtime was horrifically bad and I no longer supported most of the things I said there? I was an idiot for even posting my stupid thoughts about the claim, as all it has led to is people like you thinking that they represent my entire read on that person.

Also, getting really tired of every time I vote for someone "Oh no, he always plays like that". Not entirely sure how I am meant to play if I'm seemingly not allowed to vote for half the things I see. You guys agreed before the game only to let offsiters lynch offsiters and locals lynch locals?

[Montmorency]

You just said in the same breath the things you saw were wrong. What changed for these new things you see?

[Dp101]

Good. Yes. Now, who were the likeliest voters?

Evidently you, Crimson, novice, Stork - and Winston Hughes. Riddle me that.

Huh, I get your case now. Still, not everyone on that lineup is necessarily agreeing with each other, Winston was off on his own before he went silent. I disagree with the implied pairing of me and crimson here. If you hadn't noticed, my posting towards him was primarily intended to untilt him so I could actually see how he posts without half the town jumping down his threat (more like a third, but you get my point). If we were mafia, I would be trying to calm him down in the mafia thread rather than here.

As for Novice, you are right, I have been rather close to him. But, as you may have noticed from my reads post, I really don't know how to interpret the play of a lot of the people here, so is it any wonder I gravitate towards someone I understand? Right now I am a little worried that my familiarity is blinding me, but I'm really trying hard to find someone I can rely on, so I have to take chances.

For Stork, yesterday I really wasn't agreeing with him much at all, would I really switch completely to secure just one mislynch (evidently you do as that's what you think I'm doing now, but for the sake of argument)? The fact that El is dead and IIRC thought that Stork was town makes him look much better in my eyes, and without that he might still be in my scum camp.