Futuramafia [Concluded]

[Dp101]

You just said in the same breath the things you saw were wrong. What changed for these new things you see?

I calmed down, earlier I was panicking a bit. Still not convinced I'm completely right, but I'm pretty sure I'm not completely wrong.

[Montmorency]

You didn't get my point, which admittedly has to be placed in context of the next phases. First, let me clarify that I'm not saying that you were scum buttressing each other, or even that one of you is scum and relying on these relationships to hide (this could be a separate position, but not one I see currently). What I am saying is that you guys, despite your disagreements, have very similar approaches and work together more often than not. The odd one out being Winston.

[Dp101]

I work with them even though I disagree with some of them sometimes because town can be wrong and their reads still kind of make sense so I am willing to trust them. Really I just want one of them to die so I can figure out their alignment, but unfortunately that would probably come at the cost of losing another town.

[Riedquat]

Also, getting really tired of every time I vote for someone "Oh no, he always plays like that". Not entirely sure how I am meant to play if I'm seemingly not allowed to vote for half the things I see. You guys agreed before the game only to let offsiters lynch offsiters and locals lynch locals?

Sorry, that is not the intention, but is how things are playing out. Yet is probable you people see things scummy perhaps because they are scummy indeed and we don't see them because we got used to them. IMHO Barto was playing as he always did and Monty is doing as-well, but I'm not saying he is town, I lean to think he is but is just my opinion.

[Dp101]

Oh wait, Monty, was your point that Winston is mafia because he is the odd one out?

[novice]

As much as I don’t like your posting, I don’t think scum would play like you have. So, unvote for now.

Way to bury the lead... While also changing your opinion during a post.

[Montmorency]

Preface: Currently Fox is almost certainly town or (at worst) third-party.

Possibly, but to be more specific if Winston were Mafia he could have eliminated the focus of your bloc's attention to generate a new target for mislynch. This would work because your bloc would, even if not uniting on a single candidate, make a concerted push for your own targets, leading to town-on-town wagons for Mafia to hide in.

[Visor]

I think bsmith is town

i think monty is town

i think this wagon is weird

i think novice might be scum

[novice]

Monty, what exactly do you mean by lynchbait?

[Visor]

Vote: novice

[Montmorency]

Exactly what I've been going through, that he would take the center stage for the day.

[BSmith]

Also, getting really tired of every time I vote for someone "Oh no, he always plays like that". Not entirely sure how I am meant to play if I'm seemingly not allowed to vote for half the things I see. You guys agreed before the game only to let offsiters lynch offsiters and locals lynch locals?

Vote for who you think you need to vote for. Damn the rest of us.

Seriously, as long as you are putting forth ideas and discussion, there is nothing wrong with your play. Don’t swallow your own intuition because you think you might not fit in.

I like your post, BSmith, but I have to qualify that (in the late-game), zealous vigs have a very mixed record. Vigs who "save" their kills for their later hunches have a high chance of being misled and wiping out town voting blocs. In other words, they should be killing regularly from the beginning, until they have reason to stop.

And speaking of voting blocs...

Yes, my main point is that a vig should kill at every opportunity.

Way to bury the lead... While also changing your opinion during a post.

Meh. I came to that conclusion after writing everything out. And I don’t think I have changed my opinion. Fox needs to clear the air on his claim. There are a ton of irregularities concerning him and that is what is drawing my attention, for better or worse.

[Pelican]

Ah, Pelican was the one who agreed on Cuthillius' lock town read on Dp101.



Do you still think DP is town, Pelican?

Short answer: Yes.

I think DP has been pretty transparent in a way that would be hard to fake. I just don't see his posts being sneaky rather than genuine.

Meh. I came to that conclusion after writing everything out. And I don’t think I have changed my opinion. Fox needs to clear the air on his claim. There are a ton of irregularities concerning him and that is what is drawing my attention, for better or worse.

Wanted to comment on BSmith's changing of his opinion mid post, because that is something I have often done as town and almost always gotten wolf read afterwards. I think it's a very town thing to do. I think wolves prefer to construct their cases and try to make them look just right, where town have nothing to lose by following a "write to think" approach. I've been on the fence about BSmith, but I'm leaning slightly town.

As for the idea that this is how Monty always plays, I think that it's awfully convenient. Looking at his posts in light of the meta comments, it seems like there are people he thinks might be maf, I just have no idea what he as a villager nor village as a whole has to gain by his refusal to just come out and say it. On the other hand, it's easy to see why as a wolf, he would be afraid of being held accountable for his opinions.

[novice]

Exactly what I've been going through, that he would take the center stage for the day.

Thanks, I was crossposting a bit at the time but just wanted to get the definitions straight.

Good. Yes. Now, who were the likeliest voters?

Evidently you, Crimson, novice, Stork - and Winston Hughes. Riddle me that.

You didn't get my point, which admittedly has to be placed in context of the next phases. First, let me clarify that I'm not saying that you were scum buttressing each other, or even that one of you is scum and relying on these relationships to hide (this could be a separate position, but not one I see currently). What I am saying is that you guys, despite your disagreements, have very similar approaches and work together more often than not. The odd one out being Winston.

Preface: Currently Fox is almost certainly town or (at worst) third-party.

Possibly, but to be more specific if Winston were Mafia he could have eliminated the focus of your bloc's attention to generate a new target for mislynch. This would work because your bloc would, even if not uniting on a single candidate, make a concerted push for your own targets, leading to town-on-town wagons for Mafia to hide in.

Sorry, I'm probably being very dense at the moment but I'm still not sure what you're saying. Spell it out? I mean, if you're testing us to see if we're able to figure it out for ourselves, just flunk me.

Okay, so Winston could have used his bond with us to dispel the El Barto wagon. Assuming that's true, the fact that he didn't tells us... what?

And what timeframe are we talking about here, remember that the deadline was in the middle of the night for Winston and myself, at least I think it was.

[Zack]

Moderator note: I've edited some posts for content. No game-worthy information has been altered. Please try to be more courteous with each other in the future and tone down the language somewhat.

Thank you GH.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Six pages of pure blahblahblah and you failed to lynch bartito? lol

Monty is being monty, as always... same goes for visor, very good reader of people/personalities, very useful when townie but a real pain in the ass when he is scum, good luck reading them!

And honestly El Barto was being himself, as he always does as town and from my experience he usually get lynched early in game for the same behavior.

I'd lynch Riedquat based purely on this post. Not impressed by the content so far, but this post in particular is drive-by scum.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Why frame instead of kill him? O.o

Feels like padding his content here.

[Askthepizzaguy]

time to catch up. Whats happening?

Don't know what atheotes is doing here. This was followed by silence.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Khaan going to go out on a limb and suggest is town based on the spite vote. I don't think that'd be characteristic of his scum style.

When was the last time you were scum in a game, @khaan?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Town murska, to be rescinded if he's only been voting for townies so far.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Don't like any of Newyn's votes so far. If alive in 3 rounds, kill.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Nothing jumps out at me about Al but he seems fine.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Pelican town 461:

"Biggest wolf vibes are from Murska, ATPG, and Montmomrency"

Poking either strong wolves or decent townies who aren't consensus scum here. The fact that it is multiple players in such a category gets him the poking the bear town tell. Never lynch this person.

[Askthepizzaguy]

BSmith's "footprint" is small even though his word count is high. I'm not looking for a high post count but if you have the time to type out that much content it needs to have more content in it. You're focusing too much on one player and that's a great way to be unreadable.

Would consider voting.

[Askthepizzaguy]

@ General

I'm actually taking a third option here, liking Cuthilius the best and he's going after novice.

Vote: novice

Of course, since Barto is also voting for novice I have CrimsonFox more likely to be maf than Barto and will vote that way if it comes down to it.

What did you see before this point in the game that leads to a town lean? There's nothing there I'd consider a positive indicator, and you're making him the most townie person in the game. Walk me through that.

Ugh stupid tally was outdated. Ignore me. Back to fully null for you.

And Crimson, this is pretty much in line with his D1 meta.

What are you seeing/looking for in Barto's posts that causes you to move your opinion about him so quickly? His tone always looks the same to me and he's not super heavy on content. He's someone I'd comfortably put a question mark over and try to read more readable people.

Other musings:

I think the wagon on Monty is off base. This is his style. That said, Pelican is still town here.

I'd still like to hear an explanation from DP about his discrepancy regarding his read on CrimsonFox.

CrimsonFox is probably town by this point.

Vote: DP101

Why do you think the Monty wagon is off base, is he town (if so, why) or is he null and the reasoning is bad?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Winston Hughes town based purely off of page 1 alone. Let me know if I missed something important.

[Askthepizzaguy]

No bet on novice. I don't have any meta and I'm not going to deny myself the opportunity to gain more.

As for Cuth, I'm re-isoing him now.

[Murska]

ATPG flood. I like it.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Murska, where are you on Cuth right now? My feelings are being tempered a bit by this iso.

If he's scum he's got exactly the style that I like from scumbags. I just know he's capable of it.

[Askthepizzaguy]

That's as much as I can do for this 24-hour period. Really low energy all day, didn't even want to look at the thread.

My standard would be to look at all the heavy posters first and engage them first, I was not willing to invest an hour on three talkers and have the rest of the game be blanks.

We'll see if I can do better tomorrow (24hr period).