Futuramafia [Concluded]

[Stork]

specifically addressing pelican in that post because he was talking about ATPG being UtR

and i don't get the feeling that ATPG ever would really play UTR

and i didn't want the people who haven't played with him to start having that idea

but they are playing the same game, if he is utr he is utr, it doesn't matter whether that is normal or not.

how does their idea of him matter whatsoever?

[Cuthillius]

Vote: El Barto

could see both barto and spaceman being wolves given the unvote here actually though

note

[Pelican]

Cases cannot contribute without external information, primarily from lynches and night kills/deaths in juxtaposition.

Your behavior is a phantom case hiding behind that precise lack of information. The "not contributing" angle looks extremely bad as an argument, worse even than if you just declared a crusade on lurkers or something.



Live by your principles or die behind them, Mr. Crimson-looks-jumpy-plus-maybe-someone's-lying-low.

I see no conflict in principle. The whole reason I'm voting you is because I think the overall general and hypothetical nature with which you are presently approaching the game suggests an attitude that is at odds with what I expect from village.

The fact that I said attitude trumps content means that I think it doesn't matter weather someone's ideas are wrong or right, but rather that the attitude with which they are made seems villagery or not. That doesn't mean I don't care if people post their cases. I don't like the "need more information" angle because it has no utility. We don't have more information, but that doesn't mean we can't do the best we can with what we do have. I tend to run off of tone more than vote analysis anyways though, and I know some people prefer to come to conclusions by analyzing lynches, kills, bandwagons etc... so that's valid.

Also my question wasn't a rhetorical accusation that you aren't contributing, it was a genuine invitation to you to prove to me that your approach, though different than mine, also has merit. That invitation still stands. Essentially I'm asking you to consider "How are my actions helping me achieve my goals" and in the context of this game the only goal for village is finding the mafia.

Going to drop this for now and go to bed. Hopefully in the morning I can return with a fresh perspective something more productive to add than an argument which I worry is beginning to veer off track.

[Cuthillius]

but they are playing the same game, if he is utr he is utr, it doesn't matter whether that is normal or not.

how does their idea of him matter whatsoever?

if people focus on something they shouldn't be because they don't know better that is -ev right?

[Montmorency]

UtR

Thank you. In this instance you lowercased the "t", allowing me to infer 'Under the Radar'.

Now all of you, cut the jargon.

[Cuthillius]

What?

he is lock town to you for reasons you can't explain because you can't define what his villager and scum game looks like?




why is your read so strong?

i literally explained my reasoning

[Stork]

if people focus on something they shouldn't be because they don't know better that is -ev right?

so you are telling people about his meta, which he isn't playing to, in order to get them to focus on what???

[atheotes]

oh forgot the last part...

The spaceman speculation was because he was Leela nothing more.

She seems like she might be a vig character as she kicks people and holds a blaster a lot.

Also because i think my role is not obviously THAT useful and since i've seen odd/even vig setups before it seemed logical that there is another partial vig or stronger than me vig out there. SInce there was no other kill besides barto, i don't think that anymore unless they too are hampered like me.

hmm...i do see the possibility but it still seems like a stretch. But thanks for explaining.
Only VTs are allowed to post after death. Do we know if Spaceman not available or is he not allowed to post?

I literally just explained that a page back.

Yeah. i saw it..after posting. I am just a little behind

[Dp101]

Thank you. In this instance you lowercased the "t", allowing me to infer 'Under the Radar'.

Now all of you, cut the jargon.

Best post made by you in the entire thread (kidding, but seriously, I'm tired of googling words every 5 seconds).

[Cuthillius]

so you are telling people about his meta, which he isn't playing to, in order to get them to focus on what???

other things

[Dp101]

Yeah. i saw it..after posting. I am just a little behind

I understand, every time I take the time to post 5 more appear (like this one, which is why no multiquoting).

[Cuthillius]

Best post made by you in the entire thread (kidding, but seriously, I'm tired of googling words every 5 seconds).

then please just ask

[Cuthillius]

visor

was thinking about it

pizza has no agenda

never seen that as maf

never really seen it as town much either

but i don't think he adopts it as scum

given the player that he is

[Dp101]

then please just ask

I don't like clogging up the thread with constant questions, plus googling is faster.

[Stork]

other things

like what?

i am reading that page and no one is focussed on pizza and his posting so i don't understand how you are saying people needed to be unbogged by you bringing it up, when it seems likely that your post did the complete opposite (at least fmpov)

[Cuthillius]

meh

stork

you might be town actually

i still think your choices of comments are a little unusual

but i think you have been pushing me from a towny pov

looking at eod and now

[Stork]

cuth, i really think you are just a wolf because as a villager you would just handwave that off as a non-challant non-impactful comment, which is what it is, rather than attempting to doube down on it being a GOoD POaST with many merits

[Stork]

meh

stork

you might be town actually

i still think your choices of comments are a little unusual

but i think you have been pushing me from a towny pov

looking at eod and now

ok, well you are still a wolf

[Cuthillius]

like what?

i am reading that page and no one is focussed on pizza and his posting so i don't understand how you are saying people needed to be unbogged by you bringing it up, when it seems likely that your post did the complete opposite (at least fmpov)

literally anything else

oh well

[Cuthillius]

ok, well you are still a wolf

nope

[Stork]

literally anything else

oh well

you know when someone says "dont think about X", the first thing everyone thinks about is "X"

[atheotes]

wel;l that's just it, palsy-walsy...i may not resolve as anything.

what do you mean?

[Cuthillius]

and while i do see why you think so

you haven't played with me wolfing for a long time not counting turbos and even then

[Montmorency]

visor

was thinking about it

pizza has no agenda

never seen that as maf

never really seen it as town much either

but i don't think he adopts it as scum

given the player that he is

!!!

But we see it frequently enough with Pizza. It's just that he is fluid enough not to pin it to a single alignment.

I see no conflict in principle. The whole reason I'm voting you is because I think the overall general and hypothetical nature with which you are presently approaching the game suggests an attitude that is at odds with what I expect from village.

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I don't like the "need more information" angle because it has no utility. We don't have more information

That's exactly what the Mafia uses against the Town: non-information and doublespeak. This is what you are doing. This isn't a difference between general and particular but an active attempt to avoid making any effort beyond a regurgitated vortex of sophistry. You could deploy it against anyone you like, and I'm sure you have a few more formulas like it tucked away.

And the audacity to frame it as a question of merit, when no concrete method or individual player has a record on the caliber of what you imply, is just too much. What are your objectives, and say something more useful than "town victory" or "find scum".

[Cuthillius]

you know when someone says "dont think about X", the first thing everyone thinks about is "X"

cool

i don't care

i misjudged a post

silly me

[Stork]

and while i do see why you think so

you haven't played with me wolfing for a long time not counting turbos and even then

i don't care about meta

[Cuthillius]

!!!

But we see it frequently enough with Pizza. It's just that he is fluid enough not to pin it to a single alignment.

I'm sorry, you see what often with Pizza?

[Cuthillius]

i don't care about meta

okay

[Stork]

as much as you might think i do*

wolfy things are wolfy regardless of who does them

meta can be manipulated

[Cuthillius]

as much as you might think i do*

wolfy things are wolfy regardless of who does them

meta can be manipulated

nevertheless my game is completely different than it was then

so things that may have been indicative at another time