Futuramafia [Concluded]

[Montmorency]

The closest Winston Hughes came to scumreading Cuth is this, at the transition of D2/N2:

Obviously I've got a lot of reading to do, but right now I've got Cuth, Visor, GH and Crimson in my 'here be scum' category.

[Dp101]

Uh huh. Pizza was the first case at day-start, and Stork came afterwards. Which is reacting to which?

I was referring to the first post you made on this page, the one that I originally quoted, as a defence of the wagon after it looked like a competing one would replace it. I don't see why the order of the wagons matters.

[Montmorency]

??

You could ascribe that to any candidate at any time in any game, then.

[Zack]

**** KILLBOTS ROLL OUT ****





**** KILLBOTS ROLL OUT ****

[Zack]

CrimsonFox has been killed.


Brannigan's law is like Brannigan's love: hard and fast.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

25-Star General Zapp Brannigan


Player: CrimsonFox

Role: Zapp Brannigan (https://theinfosphere.org/Zapp)

Faction: TOWN

[Dp101]

I think we are completely misunderstanding each other then. I'm saying that my "Monty is distracting us from Stork by pushing Pizza" post was a response to your #1577 post, and then you responded to my post by then claiming that neither wagon was that important, followed by you posting something in #1568 about the order of the wagons that I still don't fully understand, since again, the order appears to have nothing to do with the validity of our arguments. I tried to respond by clarifying that I was responding to your first post on the (now previous, might have caused some confusion) page, and then we got here. I still don't understand your point about the Pizza wagon coming first, are you saying that the Stork one is an attempt to save Pizza? Because I don't see it, most of the people behind it have been not so friendly towards his position fairly consistently over the last day or so.

[Zack]

Alive: 16

Al Sipsclar
Askthepizzaguy
atheotes
Choxorn
Cuthillius
Dp101
GeneralHankerchief
johnhughthom
Montmorency
Murska
Newyn
novice
Pelican
Riedquat
Stork
Winston Hughes

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Lynched: 2

d1 - spaceman98 - Leela
d2 - BSmith - Amy (can talk)

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Killed: 4

n1 - El Barto - Flexo (can talk)
n2 - Visor - Hermes
n2 - seireikhaan - Larry
d3 - CrimsonFox - Zapp Brannigan

[Dp101]

OK WHAT. Dayvig with flavour? Robot revolution?

[Montmorency]

DP, cut the confusion and understand that I'm saying Winston is taking up the wagon against Stork because he is tricking you AND protecting Pizza.

Now this.

[Dp101]

DP, cut the confusion and understand that I'm saying Winston is taking up the wagon against Stork because he is tricking you AND protecting Pizza.

Now this.

Look fine, I'll make a deal with you. If Stork flips town, I will help you lynch Pizza and Winston.

[Montmorency]

Look fine, I'll make a deal with you. If Stork flips town, I will help you lynch Pizza and Winston.

That's not much of a deal if you were leaning that way already.

Now:

http://futurama.wikia.com/wiki/Killbots

Killbots are robots whose sole reason for existing was to kill things. There is a kill limit of 999,999 kills installed into them along with a reset button. Zapp Brannigan once defeated an army of these by sending wave after wave of his own men at them until they shut down. While deadly, they lack intelligence, never stopping when firing their weapons and prone to turning to face others when they can't hear them over their constant firing. This causes great collateral damage in the process.

[Dp101]

Think Crimson's assigned character is relevant to the kill? Seems odd to have a role that only kills one specific player, but I guess anything is possible.

[Cuthillius]

oh sorry dp i must have confused you

i was talking about stork when you were talking about winston

thanks for pointing that out monty

[Cuthillius]

If I had to guess mafia dayvig.

[Dp101]

If we assume it was specifically targeted at Crimson, anyone want to hazard a motive? Past eliminating a power role, his last suspects were the General (voted) and Winston (slight, but there). It doesn't really make sense for mafia to shoot him just to remove his vote from the general when it seems unlikely that he would die, but maybe it is just preemptive stopping of a wagon? Either that or Winston's mafia and his team thought he might need help to survive tomorrow, but that doesn't really make sense given that Winston was only experiencing slight pressure. If it was a town dayvig, you best have a pretty good explanation.

[Riedquat]

What the heck? Crimson is town and daykilled... oki doki I understand less than before now!

Cuthillius, i tend to agree more with Monty than you on this situation, I don't see the scumminess on Stork while I can see his point pseudo-presuring/arguing with you about your post about Atpg being town, you have said on day1 I believe, he was like visor reading people but with more analisys or something like that if I'm not wrong, and yesterday you still maintained he was townish, what changed? In the best scenario he wrong-read you... There you have town visor, almost all his reads were wrong.

Other thing, am I the only thinking probably El Barto wasn't killed by scum but by visor? All those posts saying shots in your direction tonight or tonight we shot Barto...

[Cuthillius]

What the heck? Crimson is town and daykilled... oki doki I understand less than before now!

Cuthillius, i tend to agree more with Monty than you on this situation, I don't see the scumminess on Stork while I can see his point pseudo-presuring/arguing with you about your post about Atpg being town, you have said on day1 I believe, he was like visor reading people but with more analisys or something like that if I'm not wrong, and yesterday you still maintained he was townish, what changed? In the best scenario he wrong-read you... There you have town visor, almost all his reads were wrong.

Other thing, am I the only thinking probably El Barto wasn't killed by scum but by visor? All those posts saying shots in your direction tonight or tonight we shot Barto...

I thought he was scummy, then I didn't, now I did.

I'm talking about the posts yesterday. I was purposefully making posts that were easy to make telling responses to. He's been scumreading me all game, and then he comes in, agrees with me, when I insinuate that Pizza might be more self conscious than normal he says "yeah you and me both" It's the definition of buddying. It's the definition of shading.

[Dp101]

I thought he was scummy, then I didn't, now I did.

I'm talking about the posts yesterday. I was purposefully making posts that were easy to make telling responses to. He's been scumreading me all game, and then he comes in, agrees with me, when I insinuate that Pizza might be more self conscious than normal he says "yeah you and me both" It's the definition of buddying. It's the definition of shading.

After the game, could you point out how you made those posts traps? I'm interested in getting better at playing town, and I think learning about that kind of thing might be useful.

[Cuthillius]

After the game, could you point out how you made those posts traps? I'm interested in getting better at playing town, and I think learning about that kind of thing might be useful.

I'll try. Remind me.

[Dp101]

Cuth, you going to comment on the apparent dayvig?

[Cuthillius]

Cuth, you going to comment on the apparent dayvig?

Apart from saying that I think it's probably a maf dayvig no

I have no idea why it was used, except to get rid of a highly active towny killing power role

[Cuthillius]

Much anything else is unhelpful speculation

[Zack]

Official Tally

6 Stork (novice, cuth, murska, dp101, Winston Hughes, jht)

2 ATPG (monty, pelican)

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6 Not Voting: @Askthepizzaguy, @Choxorn, @GeneralHankerchief, @Newyn, @Riedquat, @Stork

2 Not Posting: @Al Sipsclar, @atheotes
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Voting ends in:

[atheotes]

what is the case on Stork?
Did Crimson get shot by Quat?

[Stork]

cuth you are roleplaying a blithering idiot if town this game, and thats saying something because i already didn't have a high opinion of your game

hope you aren't for your sake

[Stork]

actually, wait.

you are roleplaying a blithering idiot town either way actually

[Murska]

Possibly maf gets a vig on people who claim their role too clearly?

[Stork]

I thought he was scummy, then I didn't, now I did.

I'm talking about the posts yesterday. I was purposefully making posts that were easy to make telling responses to. He's been scumreading me all game, and then he comes in, agrees with me, when I insinuate that Pizza might be more self conscious than normal he says "yeah you and me both" It's the definition of buddying. It's the definition of shading.

this post is incomprehensibly moronic for obvious reasons

if you are a wolf and giving a true read on someone, what makes you think i wouldn't agree with you? i have watched you bus in (imo) terrible spots before.

if you can point out a single instance since i started thinking you were scum where i implied you are town, then congrats, but thats not how it works and you SHADING (see, i can use meaningless buzzwords too) me for it is obviously lolterrible.

i don't imagine for a second you would consider it out of character for me to make a joking read off one of my scumreads because you have played with me enough to know that i do that, particularly as town (probably)

overall 1/10, you tried your best

[Stork]

i got a few off site things to do so i will be absent for a while, will try to check in to continue this later if possible

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'm back, baby.

Me full claiming adds little to town's knowledge and gives the scums too much data, or I would have full claimed before I left. Right now, it's a bad idea but I also wasn't going to be around for the first half of the phase and the latter half is typically too late to do anything about a big no reason wagon.

It's enough that I have a role that they have to shoot. If they don't believe me and leave me alive, so much the better. I won't even make it to mid-game, guys. Just leave me be, and hold me to this later. If you can't trust me that far, for whatever reason, force a full claim now, I guess. It's just a bad idea.

ISOs by myself next, or I'll talk to whoever's here.