Brexit Thread

[Pannonian]

Multi ethnic being 60% white. How many carribbean and pakistanis do you think actually live or even visit the rich neigbourhoods?

Among the less white boroughs that I know of, Newham, Tower Hamlets, Redbridge and Waltham Forest all voted Remain. But then you've already got your argument ready: the EU is where the immigrants come from, so naturally they voted Remain. Actually, checking the figures further, the 10 least white boroughs all voted Remain. The least white borough that voted Leave was Barking and Dagenham, which is 14th on the list. The whitest borough in London also voted Leave, as did the 4th whitest borough. So the actual figures, as opposed to your imagined theory, suggests that the more multi-ethnic a borough is, the more Europhilic it is.

BTW, you must be one of the very few who reckons that 40% non-white is not multi-ethnic. The national figure is 12.8%.

[Legs]

Among the less white boroughs that I know of, Newham, Tower Hamlets, Redbridge and Waltham Forest all voted Remain. But then you've already got your argument ready: the EU is where the immigrants come from, so naturally they voted Remain. Actually, checking the figures further, the 10 least white boroughs all voted Remain. The least white borough that voted Leave was Barking and Dagenham, which is 14th on the list. The whitest borough in London also voted Leave, as did the 4th whitest borough. So the actual figures, as opposed to your imagined theory, suggests that the more multi-ethnic a borough is, the more Europhilic it is.

BTW, you must be one of the very few who reckons that 40% non-white is not multi-ethnic. The national figure is 12.8%.

When more than 20% of the "whites" are not British where does that leave his multi ethnic theory?

[Greyblades]

Among the less white boroughs that I know of, Newham, Tower Hamlets, Redbridge and Waltham Forest all voted Remain. But then you've already got your argument ready: the EU is where the immigrants come from, so naturally they voted Remain. Actually, checking the figures further, the 10 least white boroughs all voted Remain. The least white borough that voted Leave was Barking and Dagenham, which is 14th on the list. The whitest borough in London also voted Leave, as did the 4th whitest borough. So the actual figures, as opposed to your imagined theory, suggests that the more multi-ethnic a borough is, the more Europhilic it is.

1st whitest borough is havering, which is one of the cheapest to live in, IE poorest, same with 4th, bexely. Newham Tower Hamlets, Redbridge and Waltham Forest, also poor but with a non white majority voted remain.
Third whitest, bromley, is as poor as redbridge and voted remain by a very narrow margin, 6th largest sutton, poor, voted leave, Greenwich Poor 68% white, remain won by <10%, Hounslow same as greenwich with 51.4% white, Hillingdon, poor, white, voted leave, Barking and Dagenham, poor, white, voted leave,

Second whitest richmond on thames was pricier to live in than the previous examples by a half and voted remain, Wandsworth, Waltham Forest, was same as richmond, Kensington a very rich, very white neighbourhood voted remain by large degree, same with Islington, Hammersmith & Fulham, Camden, Hackney, Merton, Lambeth, Barnet, Westminster, Southwark, Lewisham, Ealing, Haringey and Tower Hamlets.

The trend is clear, prices high vote remain wins, prices low, vote leave gains ground and the outliers to this include all the poor minorty white boroughs.

BTW, you must be one of the very few who reckons that 40% non-white is not multi-ethnic. The national figure is 12.8%.

Until an area gets below 50% in any one demographic, to say it is multi anything is giving too much credit to the minority's presence.

Have you ever been to those boroughs do you know many people living there?
Come to think of it, have you ever been to London???????

I recently spent 3 years attending university in london whose side course in theatre included visiting areas of the city of varying levels of well-to-do at different hours in the day and night, I have seen my share of london's grime and grandure.

When more than 20% of the "whites" are not British where does that leave his multi ethnic theory?

Non british include american, new zealand, australian and various other anglo offshoots which I count among what can be called the british ethnicity.

[Legs]

1st whitest borough is havering, which is one of the cheapest to live in, IE poorest, same with 4th, bexely. Newham Tower Hamlets, Redbridge and Waltham Forest, also poor but with a non white majority voted remain.
Third whitest, bromley, is as poor as redbridge and voted remain by a very narrow margin, 6th largest sutton, poor, voted leave, Greenwich Poor 68% white, remain won by <10%, Hounslow same as greenwich with 51.4% white, Hillingdon, poor, white, voted leave, Barking and Dagenham, poor, white, voted leave,

Second whitest richmond on thames was pricier to live in than the previous examples by a half and voted remain, Wandsworth, Waltham Forest, was same as richmond, Kensington a very rich, very white neighbourhood voted remain by large degree, same with Islington, Hammersmith & Fulham, Camden, Hackney, Merton, Lambeth, Barnet, Westminster, Southwark, Lewisham, Ealing, Haringey and Tower Hamlets.

The trend is clear, prices high vote remain wins, prices low, vote leave gains ground and the outliers to this include all the poor minorty white boroughs.


Until an area gets below 50% in any one demographic, to say it is multi anything is giving too much credit to the minority's presence.

I recently spent 3 years attending university in london whose side course in theatre included visiting areas of the city of varying levels of well-to-do, I have seen plenty of london's grime and grandure.


Non british include american, new zealand, australian and various other anglo offshoots which I count among what can be called the british ethnicity.

Well where to start with that pile of crap?
You really don't know London at all. you call "the village" the 4th poorest
I find it hilarious that you define "poor" simply by average house price.
Could you tell me why a "white "neighbourhood" has so many ethnic social clubs? Or all the eastern churches, the temple, the mosque and the synagouge?
Until something gets below 50%????are you insane?
You have seen grime and grandure? You know that they exist in London on the same streets you can walk from one world to the next by crossing a road or turning a corner. You must know than that your simplistic attemt at justifying your views just doesn't fly.

Non british includes non british which you count as british? Is that because you are making no sense and feel the need to grasp at straws

[Montmorency]

I recently spent 3 years attending university in london whose side course in theatre included visiting areas of the city of varying levels of well-to-do at different hours in the day and night, I have seen my share of london's grime and grandure.

[Pannonian]

1st whitest borough is havering, which is one of the cheapest to live in, IE poorest, same with 4th, bexely. Newham Tower Hamlets, Redbridge and Waltham Forest, also poor but with a non white majority voted remain.
Third whitest, bromley, is as poor as redbridge and voted remain by a very narrow margin, 6th largest sutton, poor, voted leave, Greenwich Poor 68% white, remain won by <10%, Hounslow same as greenwich with 51.4% white, Hillingdon, poor, white, voted leave, Barking and Dagenham, poor, white, voted leave,

Second whitest richmond on thames was pricier to live in than the previous examples by a half and voted remain, Wandsworth, Waltham Forest, was same as richmond, Kensington a very rich, very white neighbourhood voted remain by large degree, same with Islington, Hammersmith & Fulham, Camden, Hackney, Merton, Lambeth, Barnet, Westminster, Southwark, Lewisham, Ealing, Haringey and Tower Hamlets.

The trend is clear, prices high vote remain wins, prices low, vote leave gains ground and the outliers to this include all the poor minorty white boroughs.


Until an area gets below 50% in any one demographic, to say it is multi anything is giving too much credit to the minority's presence.

I recently spent 3 years attending university in london whose side course in theatre included visiting areas of the city of varying levels of well-to-do at different hours in the day and night, I have seen my share of london's grime and grandure.


Non british include american, new zealand, australian and various other anglo offshoots which I count among what can be called the british ethnicity.

You really don't know anything if you think Havering is poor.

[Gilrandir]

We're currently in the uncertainty period. That period will begin to end with the triggering of article 50. The certainty period begins when the deadline invoked by article 50 ends.

I have an impression that the current government are trying to procrastinate and prevaricate hoping that somehow people will forget about the referendum and everything will be as it used to.

[Husar]

I have an impression that the current government are trying to procrastinate and prevaricate hoping that somehow people will forget about the referendum and everything will be as it used to.

They now have a ministry for the Brexit.
People work there in cozy jobs which they will probably lose if they do them well.
I mean according to every stereotype, they will try their best to stall and fail, no?

If the job were in private hands, they could hire an adventurous Pakistani manager to find the best way to stop immigration without losing EU benefits. But due to it being a ministry, they can obviously not choose people based on merit but have to go with a British national who can't get a job in the superior private sector...

[Brenus]

Once is no habit, I agree with Gilrandir.
The problem UK got is to get out of EU without getting out. Sun newspapers and affiliates are printing optimistic titles about Brexit and access to EU market but stopping freedom of movement whereas all European leaders coming here told the BBC it won't happen and UK will have to eat its cake. So May is in hurry not to go too fast in this, and choose the perfect trio to do so as they hate each others wit a vengeance...

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Guys, could we try to maintain a level of decorum here?

Also, why am I asking for this and not a mod?

Play the ball not the man.

Greyblades, to his credit, has at least dug up some statistics, and whilst house-price is not the be-all and end-all it IS an indicator of both the desirability of an area and it's average disposable income.

It should also be noted that a Commonwealth Citizen within the UK is functionally the same as a British Citizen. that relationship has become strained in the opposite direction, which is another reason why people voted leave.

Fun fact - about 58% of Britons polled are in favour of the lifting of tariffs and Freedom of Movement restrictions with the other "White Dominions", which are Canada, Australia, and New Zealand and we are by far the least enthusiastic Dominion. White Commonwealth Citizen have a vested personal interest in Brexit because it means better access to the UK for them - Britain will inevitably enter into a Freedom of Labour and Movement Pact with the other three. In fact, if you ask the average Briton who isn't politically knowledgeable they'll assume we already have one.

You see, the EU isn't our natural club. It's sort of like we joined with our wife, then got divorced and now we've finally decided we'd much rather go back to spending Sunday afternoon at the pub.

[Greyblades]

You really don't know anything if you think Havering is poor.

Romford's an unswept hole in the ground dotted with rusting factories and decaying offices choked with congested roads and plaugued by homicidal traffic light sequencers. The rest of havering must be a dream land if it's supposed to shake off romford's shell.

[Pannonian]

Romford's an unswept hole in the ground dotted with rusting factories and decaying offices choked with congested roads and plaugued by homicidal traffic light sequencers. The rest of havering must be a dream land if it's supposed to shake off romford's shell.

So you don't know about the suburbia that is Upminster, Hornchurch, and the rest of Old Havering. There are areas where houses are near mansion size. The reason why Havering may be relatively cheap, house wise, is because the rail lines only serve the borough sparsely. The bits that used to be farmland, pre-war, are far away from any rail service. And of course, areas like proper, really Ye Olde Havering (such as the village that gives the borough its name) don't even pretend to have rail service. These areas have properties that are nearabouts an acre per as standard, each supporting several cars (including a minimum of one Rover, Land or Range). I don't know about their house prices, but I wouldn't call them poor.