Futuramafia [Concluded]

[Murska]

I've a gut feeling Vote: Al Sipsclar is scum.

I'll probably return to vote for one of the likely-to-pass wagons before I go to sleep though.

[novice]

Pizza and Monty are pretty much my two biggest townreads at this point for a couple of reasons and it's my belief that the mafia are just laughing their butts off right now and have been for the entire dayphase.

I really, really want there to be a third option.

What reasons?

If you all want the easy way out, just lynch Al Sipsclar and if he flips town, blame him for losing the game for town.

[novice]

X-posted with Murska.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Lynch votes
3 votes: Montmorency (Dp101, Al Sipsclar, Cuthillius)
3 votes: Askthepizzaguy (Montmorency, Winston Hughes, Pelican)
1 votes: Unvote (Murska)
1 votes: Cuthilius (GeneralHankerchief)
1 votes: Cuthillius (Askthepizzaguy)

Assume I'm never getting the three votes on me. Cuth's not voting himself, that's 4 who won't vote there. Murska unwilling to commit, Dp doesn't want to go there. Al voted his one time all round, so that's probably where it will remain. I could only get five on Cuth, and I pretty much need literally all five to make that happen.

So I'd need atheotes, johnhughthom, and Reidquat. Reidquat technically has no need to vote for anyone in particular.

GH, the tally won't cut it unless minds change.

[Pelican]

Didn't you think Monty was scum at one point, Pel mel? What happened with that?

My only real case against Monty was that he was being vague and general, and then he stopped being vague and general and started going after my top scumread, so I dropped it. He's not ruled out as a suspect, but stronger evidence has presented itself for other targets, so Monty's not a top priority for me anymore. Like I said, If you're town, I'll have to reevaluate.

If you think he's scum, Pelican, prove it with your vote.

I'd still rather lynch you, but if EOD comes and I still can't get the support, then I will settle for your scum pal Cuth.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Would you actually show up for this end of day?

[novice]

ATPG, you can sway Winston, and Pelican's other suspects are Cuth and Al.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Also pretty sure you're going to get the needed support to lynch me. Way to not take a bold stand.

[Pelican]

Murska, why did you take your vote off Pizza?

[Askthepizzaguy]

ATPG, you can sway Winston, and Pelican's other suspects are Cuth and Al.

I think Al's a compromise easy town lynch. I'm willing to compromise on my suspects, not merely change the order of the mislynches.

I don't know if Winston's swayable. I'll try, just in case.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I mean if it's Al 4, Pizza 4, I vote Al. But that's not gonna nab a scum, imo. The scums are here right now taking advantage of the fact that town is divided and couldn't agree on the color of shit.

[Askthepizzaguy]

It's numerically very difficult to lynch a scum this round, if only because of the number of townies with opinions that don't overlap.

I basically need the support of some of my own suspects just to get anything done.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I gotta vote Monty if another vote doesn't appear on Cuth before I go to bed, GH.

I'll give it 3 hours, maybe 4.

[Winston Hughes]

Started doing a little reading on the alternatives.

I thought maybe atheotes, but he actually looks pretty good in iso.

Al has given us so little to work with that it's very difficult to make any kind of call.

john is john.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Winston, I can't lynch a scum without your help this round. I need your vote on Monty if you won't go to Cuth.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Would you actually show up for this end of day?

Pelican.

[Winston Hughes]

Winston, I can't lynch a scum without your help this round. I need your vote on Monty if you won't go to Cuth.

Saying stuff like this does not help to convince me.

On Monty, I'm wondering why a scum would be so resolutely wrong about you and me. When either of us shows up town, he's going to look terrible. Unless the pair of you are pulling one of those insane bussing gambits (and this would be a pretty extreme version even for you), I just don't see the motivation for sticking his neck out so far.

On Cuth, I guess I could go there. I recall a few townie moments, but he's capable of the faking and the general flow of his posting doesn't scream town at me.

[Askthepizzaguy]

It doesn't matter if he looks terrible. By then, the body count will have been worth the trade.

[Winston Hughes]

It doesn't matter if he looks terrible. By then, the body count will have been worth the trade.

The body count in question is just one. And there's also the fact that keeping us as main suspects would give scumMonty good reason not to nightkill us, which is dumb given the threats our powers represent (well, mine doesn't represent much of a threat anymore, but it might have looked that way before I revealed).

What would make sense of it, I suppose, is Monty and GH being scumbuddies. At this point, I'm finding myself coming around to GH as the scummiest player remaining, based both on tone and actions. So I'm not entirely writing off that possibility. But you now seem convinced that GH is town, so I don't really know what to think.

[Askthepizzaguy]

The hardest argument is the one where I try to tell a skeptical audience that not only do I need them, but they actually need me.

In politics, it's hard to get a coalition of people with non-conflicting interests to even give a shit about one another's interests for long enough to get anything done, because the "no" faction has a simpler message. It's simpler, and it's always united, because saying no to the idea that we need one another can apply to pretty much any situation. And since the ideology is that simple, it's easy to keep like-minded people as friends.

Complicated ideas, contradictions, exceptions, that's harder. Townie work is harder and people get hurt along the way.

I'm trying to make that argument to a skeptical audience right now.

Monty's argument is pizza is scum, and that's all he's saying.

Cuth's argument, until a few moments ago, was pizza is scum, and that's all he's saying.

They have an easy argument and they don't even need to convince you. I can't prove they are scum, I can only ask you to look at their behavior. Post count high, actual involvement tapering off, actual footprint of suspects low.

They are giving you fewer agenda items to disagree with them on. It works, it's just crowd control. It's always crowd control, that's why I make the footprint argument.

People are intelligent on their own but as a group, it's so much easier to manipulate them, and all you need to do is be less disagreeable.

Come on, guys. This is the purest beating heart of me. This is the way I play town.

If you mislynch me today, as I know I said before, it's not over. But it's still two voices gone. And we're having trouble agreeing as it stands.

One of us can't help you tomorrow, maybe two. We have to get it together here.

If you have to lynch me first, then please, look at the size of the accusation footprint of those who remain. Not from here onward, in the past. Before this round and including this one.

And you will have to vote together, you can't just skip off on a suspect that you can quickly check the math and go, that's only ever going to get a minority of the votes, and won't beat the suspect that everyone agrees on.

You have to mind the tally.

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...post2053685414

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This is what happens when you don't.

I don't know what else to say. I'm trying to be relatable and explain the gravity of the situation, but I've got all the charisma of Hillary Clinton this game and I've called half of you deplorable. I get it.

I'm still the best you've got on the chopping block. Get someone scummier in it.

[Dp101]

What relevance does the linked thread have? Just an example of you getting mislynched?

[Cuthillius]

It's numerically very difficult to lynch a scum this round, if only because of the number of townies with opinions that don't overlap.

I basically need the support of some of my own suspects just to get anything done.

And when I offer to follow you you tell me no you're scum and unvote the chap you were voting.

If you're so convinced about Monty, that shouldn't stop you from lynching him.

I want you to be town, and if Monty were scum and you were town that would be great.

Today my vote is at your disposal, as long as you don't tell me to vote myself and let me self-pres if needed.

[Askthepizzaguy]

What relevance does the linked thread have? Just an example of you getting mislynched?

Look at the players not voting. Look how it's 3 suspects with more than one vote.

At the time, I had named something like 4 people scum and 3 of them were, and I called their factions correctly. I got one wrong.

The one I got wrong, also got votes.

The townies that people agree to lynch will always get votes.

Townies aren't guaranteed to show up. And they aren't guaranteed to mind the tally and vote together when necessary.

[Winston Hughes]

Today my vote is at your disposal

I reckon pizza could have talked forever and not convinced me to follow him here, and yet with one short phrase you've done the job for him.

vote: Cuthillius

[Askthepizzaguy]

DP, I need your vote on this one.

[El Barto]

I don't know what I'd get from a Monty flip, necessarily, and I don't really think he's a wolf at this point. But if Pizza flips town, I'll have to reevaluate.

At this point there's no way in which Pizzaguy and Monty are on the same team. If either flips town, are you willing vote the other's matte organic ass into oblivion, no matter what?

For the record, I hate both of these lynch choices. I know, lolmafia maneuvering for brownie points afterward, but Pizza and Monty are pretty much my two biggest townreads at this point for a couple of reasons and it's my belief that the mafia are just laughing their butts off right now and have been for the entire dayphase.

I really, really want there to be a third option.

No lynch is always allowed.

[Winston Hughes]

I mean, seriously, Cuth....

If you're town, what the hell are you doing offering to sheep someone you were calling scum earlier in the day just so long as they don't lynch you?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Cuth is my number 2, I need GH's vote to get Monty down.

I need DP's vote to get Cuth down.

I'll do either one, but I have to have the support of the other person in both circumstances.

[Winston Hughes]

The only thing townie about Cuth's offer is how incredibly ill-advised it is as either alignment.

But while I can just about imagine a scumbag going there in desperation, the idea of a townie doing so is mindblowing to me.

[Cuthillius]

I mean, seriously, Cuth....

If you're town, what the hell are you doing offering to sheep someone you were calling scum earlier in the day just so long as they don't lynch you?

it's not a measure to keep him from lynching me

i could keep that from happening otherwise by actually making cases on other targets or something

i don't want to screw up and mislynch pizza again

i've done it many times