Futuramafia [Concluded]

[Zack]

Voting ends in:

not voting - al sips, atheotes, pelican, riedquat

[GeneralHankerchief]

Okay, give me time to process this.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Pizza, I think I liked your walls better.

[GeneralHankerchief]

@Riedquat, correct me if I'm wrong, but your rationale for putting Murska firmly in the scum pile is that (theoretically) his cover role is human and that all of the dead good'uns have been robots, right?

[Dp101]

General, you gathered your thoughts yet? Got a list of mafia?

[Riedquat]

@Riedquat, correct me if I'm wrong, but your rationale for putting Murska firmly in the scum pile is that (theoretically) his cover role is human and that all of the dead good'uns have been robots, right?

Rationale? What the flying heck are you talking about, I admitted it is/was pure paranoia, I just wanted to know who was who given all the reveals and the info at hand, and as I don't have a clue about the show's characters followed the link on Murska's claim and found about the killbots and his relation with Larry/Khaan and later on the mafia is MomCorp, Mom being his wife... at the time I didn't think about the cover role, so in favor of Murska towniness is the lack of a cover role or his cover is like mine or yours I'd assume? I'm a vanilla townie Bender! So no, it is not firmly there.

I would just like to state for the record that when we inevitably lose, you can all blame me. I have done way too much waffling and sheeping this game, and I don't really know how to break out of it.

If this guy is scum, he deserves a statue or something!

Honestly, the scum played flawlessly! Town has played terrible (me included of course), look back at the dead townies, all pointing to lynch other townies... If town wins, it would be 45% accident, 40% luck and 10% the kumquat effect!

Of course, if we lose we can also attribute it to the kumquat effect!

[GeneralHankerchief]

Rationale? What the flying heck are you talking about, I admitted it is/was pure paranoia, I just wanted to know who was who given all the reveals and the info at hand, and as I don't have a clue about the show's characters followed the link on Murska's claim and found about the killbots and his relation with Larry/Khaan and later on the mafia is MomCorp, Mom being his wife... at the time I didn't think about the cover role, so in favor of Murska towniness is the lack of a cover role or his cover is like mine or yours I'd assume? I'm a vanilla townie Bender! So no, it is not firmly there.

Rats, I was hoping for a nice easy "my night actions said he is scum" round. I have to do work this phase? isufhgoiuashdigas

[Riedquat]

Rats, I was hoping for a nice easy "my night actions said he is scum" round. I have to do work this phase? isufhgoiuashdigas

Yes! And do not be lazy!

[Murska]

I unvoted Pizza because people I was suspicious of, specifically Cuth, voted for him and I thought to give it time and see what'd spring up from a counterwagon. The wagon on Cuth started way too fast so I moved on GH whom I still think is definitely scum instead.

[Murska]

I would note that the only way Town is doing this poorly is that someone has been actively leading us astray, and that I haven't done that, having hardly been active all game.

[Dp101]

As you say, someone, not necessarily the whole team. Some might play different roles.

[Dp101]

Please someone I feel good about make a case I can feel good about.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Please someone I feel good about make a case I can feel good about.

Basically me right now.

(I'll be more active tomorrow during work hours, hopefully)

[Montmorency]

Ultima ratio: Town Pizza doesn't act like this and survive to the endgame. Town Pizza would have been lynched long ago with this behavior.

[atheotes]

Ultima ratio: Town Pizza doesn't act like this and survive to the endgame. Town Pizza would have been lynched long ago with this behavior.

this i tend to agree with.

What is your take on GH?

[Montmorency]

GH has been town, even if he looks too lazy. Perhaps even because of it.

Look, GH is as experienced a player as Pizza, and he has his own way of doing things. The only way the space taken by GH here could be scum is if Pizza has based his whole strategy on making his relationship to GH a headgame.

But GH isn't just a body to fill space, and he wouldn't go with such a crude or Pizza-centered plan. He would be carrying on a separate strand of activity. His behavior taken alone just doesn't make sense with a GH-Pizza team.

[Pelican]

Pretty must dropping in to put a vote on Vote: Pizza just in case I can't be around tomorrow. I know this is shitty given my last post, but I genuinely will not have a spare moment that isn't taken up by work, class, or schoolwork until probably around 7 or 8 o clock tomorrow.

Quick answers to the things I addressed earlier: I guess I can see why you think Pizza meltdown would be town, DP, but it could also be the death-throes of a maf who expects to swing today. Based on the theatrics and Antics™ the whole thing feels artificial to me (the song lyrics and videos and stuff...I don't buy as part of a frustrated townie meltdown) Winston's theory about a Monty and Pizza elaborate bussing scheme is also fresh in my mind and something I want to consider; maybe there's something to it, maybe not. I need to look at their reactions to it when it was initially brought up and reread some of their interactions to see how genuine this all looks.

As for Murska, explanation was not what I was expecting, but it represents a townie attitude well enough. If we're not willing to bet the game on lynching Pizza, I'd rather bet on someone other than Murska. Like I could maybe support an Al Sips lynch as he's my top contender for Pizza teammate, potentially GH, but I need to reread him first and understand the case against him better, I haven't been paying much attention to his posts, especially since his claim came right as my ability to commit time to this game radically decreased. But this is only if we still can't get a Pizza lynch for whatever ungodly reason.

[Dp101]

Arrrgh, I hate having to waffle like this. I can't really imagine a mafia breaking down at this stage, where they have basically already won. But then again, I really don't understand Pizza, so anything is possible. I agree with the Al lynch, and am not entirely sure on the "Pizza should have been lynched by now" theory, it assumes the mafia have had way more power than seems reasonable. I guess my main reason why I don't really want to kill Pizza is it will mean that I have completely failed in this game, letting part of my supposed town core lynch the other half and then finding out that half of it was mafia. I really don't want to be that wrong about things, but it increasingly looks like the only possible choice. Only definite thing I want to state right now is that there is no way the Monty/Pizza interaction is v/v, at least one of them will need to swing for us to win.

[Murska]

Vote for one of them?

[Askthepizzaguy]

As i already said, i did not understand Winston's role either. Hence i was convinced his claim was fake.
The scum dont need a tracker. If Pizza is scum, he is probably not the tracker. Do we have any verifiable results from his tracking?
Hopefully i will have some time to read up on a few things tomorrow.

Winston flipped town and I said exactly where he was moving the night prior.

I can't know that in any other way other than I'm a tracker, I'm a scum tracker, or there's a scum tracker on my scum team and they told me.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I see Pizza as town because his little mental breakdown while I was sleeping didn't feel like mafia. Murska is again because of his odd comments on the abortive Monty wagon yesterday, and a general scummy feel from his posts. If pizza is mafia then I want to say mafia are Murska Monty GH and maybe you, but past the first 2 that list is uncertain.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

I was in a manic state yesterday. I'm bipolar, and for the past 2 weeks or so I've been at a low point where I didn't want to do a whole lot.

So yesterday, I was at an unnatural high point. Then I wanted to play M2 for the first time in forever.

Last night I had dreams that I can remember for the first time in a long while, and I feel like... normal today.

Not game related, hope that explains that.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Pizza should have been lynched by now theory is a great way of not needing to state why I'm scummy when I'm not scum and haven't been scummy.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I would note that the only way Town is doing this poorly is that someone has been actively leading us astray, and that I haven't done that, having hardly been active all game.

You haven't been trying to
solve the game. You've been keeping your mitts off of the mislynches when it's been town/town on the block, for example.

Your vote for neither leading train hours before end of day yesterday....

fricking paragraph error

[Askthepizzaguy]

(Dp101, Al Sipsclar, Cuthillius)

All of these people are terrible.

Vote: Cuthillius

Fifth vote on Cuth, which takes a stand.

Nothing happens in between.
Nothing happens in between.
Nothing happens in between.
Nothing happens in between.
Nothing happens in between.
Nothing happens in between.
Nothing happens in between.

Now there's a surprising amount of people on the Cuth wagon.

Vote: GeneralHankerchief

Look at the time stamps, there were only a few hours before end of day and the lynch was always going to be town pizza or town Cuthillius and then he voted town Generalhankerchief. Or in some universe where GH is deliberately not blocking, distancing from hankerchief SAFELY.

GH is never going to get lynched in this situation.

This is a townie who literally thought pizza is scummy AND cuthillius is scummy and the best move would be to not push either with his vote?

So that one would lynch yesterday and one would lynch today.

Town mindset = Murska does not have it.

You know who looks really bad this game? Townies who have tried to win the game for their team.

You know who looks better than pizza, simply by default? Murska, who is not trying to win the game for town.

He's pretty much exactly the scum roleblocker at this point. You need to lynch him so GH can block someone's death!

[Askthepizzaguy]

@GeneralHankerchief
@Pelican
@Al Sipsclar @Riedquat
@Dp101

That's all you need to see. ISO Murska first, before you vote me. Is he solving or skating?

He's skating. He's doing no work. He doesn't care about the outcome.

Everyone keeps saying I'm only concerned about saving my own ass. Pardon me, but if that were my concern, I'd tunnel one candidate and not accuse five at once.

Examine literally any scum endgame I've ever played. How many suspects do I EVER HAVE????

[Askthepizzaguy]

"I think pizza is scummy, I think Cuth is scummy, so I'll vote for neither of them with only a couple hours to go and it being vaaaastly unlikely the trains will shift."

How many of you have ever had such a thought when town?

How many times have you moved your vote in that manner when you've been scum, though?

Think about what YOU would have done if you were scum. Scum you does what Murska did, village/village wagon, vote off-wagon even when you said both were scummy.

It's not even a hard decision, guys. It's only hard because I'm alive and I cannot control that part, but the scums can.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'll just sit and wait for responses here. Otherwise I'm just going to drown out any actual point I just made and people will scroll right past it.



LOOK UP.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'll at least give atheotes credit, his vote was when GH had another vote. That's riskier if GH-atheotes.

Not very because this is the .org.

Murska's vote on the other hand is just plain wrong for a town mindset. If he thinks both are scum, town murska would never vote off wagon.

Town anyone would never vote on a candidate with no votes at that time of the phase, when 98% of it had passed and people were settled on 2 wagons.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Like, if you don't care about the game anymore, and just dropped your only vote you ever intend to make, I understand.

This is a casual hobby for some people.

I'm probably caring about it too much. I'm asking everyone to care for five seconds and think.

[Murska]

Everyone keeps saying I'm only concerned about saving my own ass. Pardon me, but if that were my concern, I'd tunnel one candidate and not accuse five at once.

Examine literally any scum endgame I've ever played. How many suspects do I EVER HAVE????

You're only accusing me though...

Fair point, anyway. I haven't really been solving this game much. Too busy, I've limited my participation to being around, reading the thread and trying to vote on scum.