Futuramafia [Concluded]

[Askthepizzaguy]

Pizza should have been lynched by now theory is a great way of not needing to state why I'm scummy when I'm not scum and haven't been scummy.

This is the entire case against me.

That plus inertia plus half-consensus. That's why no one is burying me. I'm already dead, in the scum's mind. Town is that easy to manipulate.

Someone voting me right now is town and unlikely to ever change their vote. That's p much all they need.

[Askthepizzaguy]

You're only accusing me though...

Fair point, anyway. I haven't really been solving this game much. Too busy, I've limited my participation to being around, reading the thread and trying to vote on scum.

You've been amazingly good at finding another townie to vote for when it's town/town wagons.

Like, no one has actually lynched a scum this game, so all things being equal, we're all equally scummy. But we're not.

You've somehow managed to ID two townies, call them scummy, and vote a third townie.

That's amazing.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'm also accusing Monty and atheotes, specifically. If either of them were town, I'd be risking alienation of a critical vote I need. And I'm also referring to previous rounds.

[Askthepizzaguy]

@Pelican

get a grip on yourself, flappy bird, the amount you don't care about this game could be written on the great wall of china and run out of space.

Read what I wrote about murska and change your vote!

[Askthepizzaguy]

No one is burying me because I'm already dead. No one is burying me because I'm already dead.

A townie doesn't know that.

A townie doesn't know, and thus, would think there's a chance scum-Pizza gets away with this entire game and fricking BURYS ME with A CASE.

REASONS WHY I AM SCUM.

Nope. Just vote and cross your fingers.

No need for superstition here, because I'm already dead.

The game is over until a vote changes.

[Murska]

You've been amazingly good at finding another townie to vote for when it's town/town wagons.

Like, no one has actually lynched a scum this game, so all things being equal, we're all equally scummy. But we're not.

You've somehow managed to ID two townies, call them scummy, and vote a third townie.

That's amazing.

I like how you're calling all three of these individuals townies when two of them are still alive. I also don't see what sort of scum train of thought would leave one going "Huh. There's wagons on people, I'm currently voting for Town and they're likely to be lynched. I should probably switch off this wagon now and vote for a third person".

As opposed to a Town player going "Huh. I thought to open a counterwagon because I'm not sure whether my original target actually is scum. But the counterwagon gathered steam way too fast and from some odd people. I should not keep my vote here, but I'm still not sure whether my original target is scum or not. I suppose I'll vote for someone I do think is scum."

[Askthepizzaguy]

They know I'm already dead, so there's no need to overdo it, no need to push me.

Scum have no reason to be desperate here. The critical vote they needed to lynch Murska did what they thought he would do, and is voting me.

[Murska]

Ever considered that scum might just be silent because there's yet another day of double town wagons?

[Askthepizzaguy]

I like how you're calling all three of these individuals townies when two of them are still alive. I also don't see what sort of scum train of thought would leave one going "Huh. There's wagons on people, I'm currently voting for Town and they're likely to be lynched. I should probably switch off this wagon now and vote for a third person".

As opposed to a Town player going "Huh. I thought to open a counterwagon because I'm not sure whether my original target actually is scum. But the counterwagon gathered steam way too fast and from some odd people. I should not keep my vote here, but I'm still not sure whether my original target is scum or not. I suppose I'll vote for someone I do think is scum."

One of them is me, and the other one is the reason why I've been able to track.

It's kinda obvious. Only GH can be scum out of the two of us and you're pushing the wrong one. And imo both are the wrong one.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Ever considered that scum might just be silent because there's yet another day of double town wagons?

Not remotely.

Describe that universe, for shits and giggles.

[Murska]

Nobody ever votes for GH when I do, so pushing him is kind of futile.

[Askthepizzaguy]

They know I'm already dead, so there's no need to overdo it, no need to push me.

Scum have no reason to be desperate here. The critical vote they needed to lynch Murska did what they thought he would do, and is voting me.

To explain, because I wrote this sentence really fast:

They have to predict who's going to vote where. Al is kind of a maybe. Pelican is like a sure-fire pizza voter.

Now, if Pelican were to change his mind, all of a sudden, the count is wrong and they're in trouble.

Pelican votes, and reasons why I'm scum vanish, and people don't care anymore.

Scum pizza isn't going to get away with all this murder, they don't actually think to themselves, because we've got it in the bag.

Pelican tunnel on pizza won't vanish, he's going to hit back next time he's here with a case on pizza. Literally zero chance he changes his mind, because he's barely playing this game.

Al maybe votes Murska. GH, maybe. Me, definitely. Dp101, perhaps, but he's waffling. But without that fifth vote, it's not an issue.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Nobody ever votes for GH when I do, so pushing him is kind of futile.

It's futile only because I made it so today.

If (expected) I came in here and went, welp, GH is obviously the scum blocker, vote GH, and he votes me, that's game.

That is the whole point of hitting Winston, isn't it? Unless Winston can solve it with his power, there's no reason to hit Winston.

[Askthepizzaguy]

If I came in here and didn't think, this game would have been quite done.

You'd have had five GH votes in that scenario.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Or at the very least, an exactly zero chance I don't get lynched. That's a win-win.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Pelican thinking he's gotta come back here and bury me with a case tells me everything I need to know about him.

The poor guy actually thinks I'm going to get away. That the votes to lynch me aren't already extant.

That's a townie mindset. That pizza might actually get away.

[Montmorency]

The problem with Pizza's logic on Mafia not needing to bury him because he's burying himself is that one of the only Mafia teams that could successfully operationalize it is a scum team with Pizza on it.

[Montmorency]

Pelican thinking he's gotta come back here and bury me with a case tells me everything I need to know about him.

The poor guy actually thinks I'm going to get away. That the votes to lynch me aren't already extant.

That's a townie mindset. That pizza might actually get away.

More non-sequiturs

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'm literally putting Monty on ignore mode.

Murska, describe your meta as accurately and in as detailed a manner as possible.

Tell the newer players here, or the folks that haven't played with you much, what Murska is all about.

Town meta, scum meta, overall meta, in your own words. I'm not looking to twist them.

If you leave it up to me, I'd put it like this:

Town Murska and scum Murska look similar, because you don't do walls very much, and your post count is never that high.

You're a good scum hunter, but not finding scums doesn't make you scum.

What makes you scum, to me, here, is that at critical points of the game, you didn't take a stand and bury a suspect. Even a small bit of aggression.

It still could have been gentlemanly, and all that. You don't appeal to the crowd, for example. You just state your case.

You haven't bothered to do that ever this game, and took no stance on your own suspects' lynches yesterday. The non-sequitur was saying there's too many people on the Cuth wagon, when you were the only one who added to it.

How does a townie think... this wagon was fine before I added to it, but now it feels dirty?

That's someone trying to not vote Cuth, and then vote Pizza the next day. That's literally the only thought that I can think of which leads to that sequence of events.

It was scum Murska trying to be less wrong.

[Askthepizzaguy]

All I've done for most of this game was try to bury people. I have a lot of blood on my hands.

At no point did I ever think... would voting here make me look bad?

I deliberately put the after-the-deciding vote on BSmith. That's not pizza looking to avoid blame.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I've got my autograph engraved on those lynches. Those dead bodies say Pizza on it. Some of them even thought I was scummy for it, and they could TALK.

Pizza has NOT been trying to avoid blame, or to look good. And that's why votes started picking up on me mid-game, and they've been coasting on that shit ever since.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Scum pizza's plan for this game is easy as hell. I'd bus someone. Then I'd claim tracker if I were ever under pressure, which means I die soon after, but I could always claim to be blocked forever and ever after that. That's the simplest explanation. And then if someone else claims to have been blocked, I lynch their ass. Then I die, having caused maximum damage.

I'd get several scummy townies lynched, and talk a lot with the dead townies and play to them, because if they think someone is scummy, that's a known confirmed townie saying it. And they'd have reasons to be hateful toward those who lynched them. I would have been a coward and a con man, and it would be written all over everything I've done all game long. But I'd be dead and proven scum, not trying to play for an endgame.

That's so generic but it would have worked. People avoiding blame for lynches have been trying to avoid dead townies saying "Lynch him! He did it!"

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'm going to have to walk away from my computer. Otherwise, it's just going to be scroll past, scroll scroll scroll. Probably already is.

[Riedquat]

I'm going to have to walk away from my computer. Otherwise, it's just going to be scroll past, scroll scroll scroll. Probably already is.

Vote: Pizza for now... Or Murska... Or Pizza... I'm not sure!


Now, come back and give us the picture of the entire scum team, preferable in a very big and condensed wall of text!

[Dp101]

Thank you Pizza for laying out how Murska has been staying back and not in the thick of it enough, that was what my example was getting at but I wasn't sure if that was his standard playstyle or not.

[Montmorency]

Thank you Pizza

he will whisper as Pizza cackles while choking the life out of him.

'Thank you for allowing me not to witness the abyss of my degradation.'

[Dp101]

Look, I'm getting really tired of this. I thanked him because I literally have no idea what Murska's baseline is and needed a second opinion to be sure. Also, if you hadn't noticed, I'm kind of getting frustrated with this game, which erodes my patience and the time I'm willing to spend hunting back through this giant thread, so having someone else look at someone's beheviour over the whole game can be useful. Now, are you going to keep making small jokes and comments, or are you going to actually try and solve the game?

[Montmorency]

Pizza and Al Sipsclar, I guarantee you. Simple as that.

[GeneralHankerchief]

I'll finally have some time to look at this in an hour.

[Murska]

I'd probably try thinking about the game around now but there is no real chance to get anyone else lynched and no matter how pocketed I still prefer a Pizza lynch to myself.