Brexit Thread

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

A world away. He's living inside the EU, whilst assuring Brits that living outside the EU is preferable. If he believes it that strongly, all he has to do is move across the water (and it may be the North Sea at that point) and make his home in the post-EU utopia that he keeps assuring us is here. He's less bad than that hypocritical arsehole Farage in that he isn't actively trying to get out of here, but his constant reassurances about the UK are no less tiresome and for the same reason.

That's a very mercenary view - maybe he's like Kadagar and wants freedom for his own people, and not just the Brits? Or maybe you forgot there's a difference between being English and being Dutch?

If so I suggest you spend some time outside the big cosmopolitan cities.

[Pannonian]

That's a very mercenary view - maybe he's like Kadagar and wants freedom for his own people, and not just the Brits? Or maybe you forgot there's a difference between being English and being Dutch?

If so I suggest you spend some time outside the big cosmopolitan cities.

One of liberalism's ideals is self determination, something that English culture also strongly believes in, although in that case it's known as minding one's own business. I've spent some time in Holland, and I enjoy the place, but I wouldn't dream of telling them what's right for them. Their affairs are their own business, not mine.

[Sarmatian]

One of liberalism's ideals is self determination, something that English culture also strongly believes in, although in that case it's known as minding one's own business. I've spent some time in Holland, and I enjoy the place, but I wouldn't dream of telling them what's right for them. Their affairs are their own business, not mine.

That's a healthy attitude in life, I agree, but if all did so, there would no point in this board. It would be a very boring Ukraine thread if only Gilrandir is allowed to post there.

[Pannonian]

That's a healthy attitude in life, I agree, but if all did so, there would no point in this board. It would be a very boring Ukraine thread if only Gilrandir is allowed to post there.

Then there's some place for outsiders to have their say as well. But AFAICS Frag is the most frequent commenter on how things will be better for the UK outside the EU. I've talked before about how the neolibs imposed their theories on Yeltsin's Russia whilst living outside the scope of their effects. I despised them then, and I despise their equivalent now.

[Fragony]

Then there's some place for outsiders to have their say as well. But AFAICS Frag is the most frequent commenter on how things will be better for the UK outside the EU. I've talked before about how the neolibs imposed their theories on Yeltsin's Russia whilst living outside the scope of their effects. I despised them then, and I despise their equivalent now.

I don't tell you what to do, only what I think. How does my optimism compare to Brussel's eurocrats who were wrong about all doom-scenario's of a possible vote for a brexit, nothing what they were furiously screaming is actually happening. I know the real brexit has still to happen but the fearmoning makes eurocrats look really stupid and I like that because I dispise the EU

[Beskar]

I don't tell you what to do, only what I think. How does my optimism compare to Brussel's eurocrats who were wrong about all doom-scenario's of a possible vote for a brexit, nothing what they were furiously screaming is actually happening. I know the real brexit has still to happen but the fearmoning makes eurocrats look really stupid and I like that because I dispise the EU

Actually, the impacts are still happening over here and Brexit hasn't even started or happened yet officially. The pound has dropped significantly to that of the euro, all prices are rising at a minimum of 10%, in some cases, 40% We are getting the fabled "even more Austerity" being imposed upon us by the government. Scotland now pushing forward with a 2nd referendum. Our government went through a period of real instability, and the ramifications have had a profound impact on the political climate.

[Fragony]

Actually, the impacts are still happening over here and Brexit hasn't even started or happened yet officially. The pound has dropped significantly to that of the euro, all prices are rising at a minimum of 10%, in some cases, 40% We are getting the fabled "even more Austerity" being imposed upon us by the government. Scotland now pushing forward with a 2nd referendum. Our government went through a period of real instability, and the ramifications have had a profound impact on the political climate.

Short-term consequences were to be expected, and screw the political climate really, instability isn't always bad

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Actually, the impacts are still happening over here and Brexit hasn't even started or happened yet officially. The pound has dropped significantly to that of the euro, all prices are rising at a minimum of 10%, in some cases, 40% We are getting the fabled "even more Austerity" being imposed upon us by the government. Scotland now pushing forward with a 2nd referendum. Our government went through a period of real instability, and the ramifications have had a profound impact on the political climate.

Price rises of between ten and forty percent?

Given that inflation is only just tipped into 1% positive I'd like some data on that, please.

Also not seen "even more austerity", noises from Hammond point in much the opposite direction.

As to the government having a period of "real instability" that's just cobblers - at no point was there not a Prime Minister, at no point did we suffer mass-resignations from the Front Bench. That happened on the OTHER side of the chamber.

You're right about Scotland, though, but then the SNP have been sounding off like a bunch of shut in cats since the election.

[Gilrandir]

It would be a very boring Ukraine thread if only Gilrandir is allowed to post there.

A correction:
It was a very boring Ukraine thread until Gilrandir was allowed to post there.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

A correction:
It was a very boring Ukraine thread until Gilrandir was allowed to post there.

Nothing like having a healthy self concept......