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    Vote: Al Sipsclar

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    Quote Originally Posted by Newyn View Post
    Not sure if I'm more scared of Pizza actually been town or getting fooled by him more.
    Tell me about it.

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    Please don't make me regret this switch Pizza.

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    Granted, he's going to be his lovably insufferable self either way.

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    you should have stayed
    anyways, i think al sips is scum with pizza

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    That might have been the clutchest vote switch. Everything rides on Al Sips' flip.

    Round ended at 1pm my time, right? Or is the round still in play?
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    somebody post a tally please

    i have no idea how to work that thingo

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    It's ended, waiting on Visor now.

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    Lynch votes
    4 votes: Askthepizzaguy (Al Sipsclar, novice, Montmorency, atheotes)
    5 votes: Al Sipsclar (seireikhaan, Askthepizzaguy, Renata, bsmith, newyn)
    1 votes: Montmorency (El Barto)

    al sips lynched, dead town

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    Alive: 9
    1. Renata
    3. ATPG
    4. BSmith
    6. El Barto
    7. Montmorency
    8. Khaan
    12. Newyn
    13. Atheotes
    14. Novice

    dead
    5. Dp101 town d1
    15. Scarlett Aria town n1
    11. Choxorn town d2
    2. Stork town n2
    10. Zack town n2
    9. Al Sipsclar town d3

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    'gah, town' style comment

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    novice dead town

    Alive: 8
    1. Renata
    3. ATPG
    4. BSmith
    6. El Barto
    7. Montmorency
    8. Khaan
    12. Newyn
    13. Atheotes


    dead 7
    5. Dp101 town d1
    15. Scarlett Aria town n1
    11. Choxorn town d2
    2. Stork town n2
    10. Zack town n2
    9. Al Sipsclar town d3
    14. Novice town n3

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    vote: Askthepizzaguy

    Newyn is a teammate, known it since that Al Sips vote, fucking ignored it.

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    OK, so that was storybook nonsense, and it throws quite a lot of shade.

    Renata, that did not look good overall.

    Atheotes more or less did what was expected, but those analysis posts didn't have a lot of substance.

    As we all witnessed, Newyn clutched that whole round, and BSmith technically helped, but given the timing and sequence I can conclude that there is no way they are partners. No more than one of them could be scum now.

    This is the Era of Bad Feelings, and somehow El Barto is the closest thing to null I have now.

    So let's stick with what I know, which is two things:
    1. Khaan must be lynched.
    2. Pizza must be lynched.

    Vote: Khaan

    Pizza can't serve as the immediate consensus wagon, as we learn little from its course. I will probably be voting him by the end of the day, but by Khaan's own admission I should not let the pressure slide from him.

    Once we have set out those things which we know, namely that Khaan and Pizza are scum, we at least have a little more time to discover the final, deep, scum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renata View Post
    vote: Askthepizzaguy

    Newyn is a teammate, known it since that Al Sips vote, fucking ignored it.
    Wouldn't that be so neat, that Newyn would expose himself at the last minute, and take the lynch from some inconvenient other target.

    I will vote to lynch the two scum-in-hand before any prospectives. The endgame has arrived. You know what that means.
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    no Lylo (or potential lylo) notice?
    surprised with the novice kill...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Montmorency View Post
    OK, so that was storybook nonsense, and it throws quite a lot of shade.

    Renata, that did not look good overall.

    Atheotes more or less did what was expected, but those analysis posts didn't have a lot of substance.

    As we all witnessed, Newyn clutched that whole round, and BSmith technically helped, but given the timing and sequence I can conclude that there is no way they are partners. No more than one of them could be scum now.

    This is the Era of Bad Feelings, and somehow El Barto is the closest thing to null I have now.

    So let's stick with what I know, which is two things:
    1. Khaan must be lynched.
    2. Pizza must be lynched.

    Vote: Khaan

    Pizza can't serve as the immediate consensus wagon, as we learn little from its course. I will probably be voting him by the end of the day, but by Khaan's own admission I should not let the pressure slide from him.

    Once we have set out those things which we know, namely that Khaan and Pizza are scum, we at least have a little more time to discover the final, deep, scum.
    My analysis proves that pizza is scum!
    What are the odds that you are scum with pizza again? hmm..if so, you have played a different game and hats off to you. Dropping the tinfoil for now.

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    Newyn's vote is scummy. Has he even come back for EOD before? Will check later.

    Vote: Pizza

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    Quote Originally Posted by atheotes View Post
    My analysis proves that pizza is scum!

    Other than the Riedquat self-pres posts and that one post where you labeled almost everyone alive at the time as scum, here is what you had to say:

    Quote Originally Posted by atheotes View Post
    I cant shake the feeling that pizza is scum. the fact that he has claimed 1-shot gives me pause.
    He chose to shoot Zack, whom he has claimed he was unable to read. I cant understand the choice.

    We are 10 alive now.
    if we have 4 scum - mislynch today and game over possibly. it doest make sense unless there are some town PRs that can reduce kill power or atleast aid in catching scum.
    But we have a claim for additional kill power and 1-time limited save.
    It makes me believe that we have 3 scum with an additional 1 shot kill ability.
    Vote: Pizza

    You have barely even said anything about Pizza specifically. You could easily be his partner by the same token.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Montmorency View Post
    Wouldn't that be so neat, that Newyn would expose himself at the last minute, and take the lynch from some inconvenient other target.

    I will vote to lynch the two scum-in-hand before any prospectives. The endgame has arrived. You know what that means.
    I'm actually more convinced of Newyn than of Khaan at this point, but we'll cross that bridge when we come to it. I think the bit at end of day with Newyn first voting Pizza, then switching, was a bit of theater to make him look not quite so much like a teammate, enabled by BSmith changing his vote. Look at Pizza talking about Newyn throughout this game and tell me you don't see mafia tiptoeing around a teammate.

    I don't understand why you would go Khaan today and risk splitting votes at LYLO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by atheotes View Post
    Newyn's vote is scummy. Has he even come back for EOD before? Will check later.

    Vote: Pizza
    Yeah, he was here to witness dp's death and not change his vote to Riedquat despite finding me scummy (he said).

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    vote: Pizza or Newyn.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renata View Post
    I'm actually more convinced of Newyn than of Khaan at this point, but we'll cross that bridge when we come to it. I think the bit at end of day with Newyn first voting Pizza, then switching, was a bit of theater to make him look not quite so much like a teammate, enabled by BSmith changing his vote. Look at Pizza talking about Newyn throughout this game and tell me you don't see mafia tiptoeing around a teammate.

    I don't understand why you would go Khaan today and risk splitting votes at LYLO.
    To remind everyone that Khaan is on the agenda. I would of course stick around to ensure that their scum team couldn't ram a third candidate through EOD.

    In principle, can you show how different Pizza's treatment of Khaan was from his treatment of Newyn?
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    I'm not sure it means anything, but they're clearly different. Pizza ignored Khaan until he started saying he was obvious town for meta reasons and would never lynch him. After that, he proceeded to continue to ignore him.

    With Newyn, Pizza first liked my case against him, then ignored it, then reversed course into saying my logic sucked, then held forth at length on the virtues of Newyn's gameplay without giving any read at all, then ignored him again. Something like that.

    But to sum up, Pizza's never expressed a read on Newyn, while he's been unwavering on never-lynch Khaan ever since he first expressed an opinion.

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    then held forth at length on the virtues of Newyn's gameplay
    I remember the "better liar" post, though I think it was earlier in the sequence than you placed it.

    Here are all the posts referencing Newyn that I can find by Pizza (from newest to oldest):

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    Quote Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy View Post
    You know, I'm not sold on Newyn, but I trust the folks who have voted for him. If you need a fourth, that's my fourth.
    Quote Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy View Post
    TLDR version

    Riedquat's vote on d1 and behavior all game doesn't lend itself to a scum read from me.
    GH is less clear, but because reasons, he's also a town read from me.
    And our worst case scenario is when they're both townies, so we have to look at that. I also think it's more than 50% probable. Maybe a lot more.


    Looking at that scenario, you see questionable vote patterns emerge.

    I don't know what Al's doing this game with his vote, but it's not townie stuff. I also think the votes on Al came from townies this game, and weren't picked up on because it's tough to build a case for Al, and everyone was demoralized yesterday, and scums seemed to have a comfortable position, not needing to bus.

    Unless Newyn was scum, in which case, they got pressure recently.


    Atheotes' final vote on d2 is the clear winner of the worst vote of the game contest, I don't need an explanation or even context to see that. That's just clear from the vote tally.
    Vote history cross-examination post, in case it's useful in general

    Quote Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy View Post
    My team of lurking scums I came up with, based on post count.

    1. Renata
    7. Montmorency
    3. ATPG
    6. El Barto <-----4th most talkative living player, guy I accused.
    13. Atheotes <----- 5th most talkative living player, guy I accused.

    14. Riedquat/novice <----Guy I've defended
    8. Seireikhaan <----Guy I'm not pushing
    9. Al Sipsclar <----Guy I voted once and still suspect but am looking other places.
    12. Newyn <----Guy I'm not pushing.
    4. BSmith <------Guy I said is town.


    Look at that team of lurkers I came up with.

    Renata do me a favor and drop all the bullshit and start playing the game in a somewhat straightforward manner.

    Leans post with Newyn and Khaan as null, side by side.


    Quote Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy View Post
    I think the weakest push on me so far is the bit about Newyn. It's pretty clear from the context of my posts that I was giving my impression of his meta, not an assessment of his alignment this game.

    It's nice that folks think it's a slam dunk case, so when it isn't, they should probably have a contingency plan for tomorrow, if they're town and still alive.
    Quote Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy View Post
    If you say so. I think he's a great lynch, and I would definitely lynch him if there was support.
    Quote Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy View Post
    Newyn isn't particularly jumpy.

    Newyn strikes me as a particularly measured, deep thinking, not reveal your cards until the right moment, kind of player. As either alignment.

    As town, he is uncannily like me: Will lie and create gambits that help town. However, he will do it in 10,000 fewer words, which makes it more effective.

    As scum, I can figure out his plan. I can even explain his plan to you. But his plan will still work.

    That's Newyn in a nutshell. I would love to town clear him. I don't know how to do that, but it would be a very strong move. If he lynches scum repeatedly, then him not being dead at final 3 should be a clue. But he should eat a murder instead by then.

    If that helps you read him, great, if you have a better read on him than I do currently, and my experience with him is what he's playing into, then I apologize in advance.
    Quote Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy View Post
    I'm being super slow but I'm only just absorbing this now.

    I kind of get what you mean here, but I'd think it's more important to try to get your scum suspect lynched than to try to create teams, particularly that early.

    Was there something more compelling that I'm missing? Because I wouldn't be surprised.
    Quote Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy View Post
    I'm voting for choxorn with anyone who is. The fact that it's Newyn doesn't enter into it much.
    Quote Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy View Post
    I haven't seen anything that makes me push any of my town reads away from being town.

    On the other hand, I don't have a strong suspect at the moment. Renata's case on Newyn seems fine.

    I'll add pressure to Al Sipsclar until I can come up with a reason not to, or I find something stronger.

    Vote: Al Sipsclar


    I can't agree with your overall characterization based on Pizza's posts, Renata. There is little to distinguish his treatment of Newyn and his treatment of Khaan, beyond the particulars of who was pushing whom, at what time, and how aggressively. Pizza was consistently nullish about Newyn, but prepared to lynch him if he could get a wagon.
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    Btw any bolded text in those posts (other than the vote at the bottom) are my emphasis.
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    That 'if you say so' post was referencing being willing to lynch Al Sips, not Newyn. Take that out of the equation and see if you still buy that Pizza's got any intention of sending Newyn to the gallows. He's got Newyn as a fourth in a game with three scum, that's as close as you get.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Renata View Post
    That 'if you say so' post was referencing being willing to lynch Al Sips, not Newyn. Take that out of the equation and see if you still buy that Pizza's got any intention of sending Newyn to the gallows. He's got Newyn as a fourth in a game with three scum, that's as close as you get.
    That actually reinforces my point, which is that Pizza was effectively nullish in regard to Khaan and Newyn.

    The only demonstrable difference is that Pizza claimed willingness, in hypothetical, to back your case on Newyn, and comments regarding Khaan's lynch were more universally disapproving.
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    I feel like we're talking past each other or something. He was nullish on Newyn, but strongly never-lynch on Khaan. You wanted differences between, I'm not even sure why right now, that's the difference.

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    This issue was raised in connection to one (or both) of these guys' relationship to Pizza.

    This is the significant difference I see in the posts I quoted:

    1. The case on Newyn is not very strong but Pizza will back you if it means gaining your support.
    2. The case on Khaan is unclear, and until he hears otherwise Pizza will treat that slot as town.

    And as I hinted, much of this depended on when the cases were being advanced and by whom. Clearly Pizza has been more interested on bringing you onto his side than he has with me, and you didn't broach the subject much after early D3 so he could afford to let it slide.

    I do not see the above as painting Newyn a more-likely partner than Khaan.
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