Vote: Al Sipsclar
Please don't make me regret this switch Pizza.
Granted, he's going to be his lovably insufferable self either way.
you should have stayed
anyways, i think al sips is scum with pizza
That might have been the clutchest vote switch. Everything rides on Al Sips' flip.
Round ended at 1pm my time, right? Or is the round still in play?
#Winstontoostrong
#Montytoostronger
somebody post a tally please
i have no idea how to work that thingo
It's ended, waiting on Visor now.
Lynch votes
4 votes: Askthepizzaguy (Al Sipsclar, novice, Montmorency, atheotes)
5 votes: Al Sipsclar (seireikhaan, Askthepizzaguy, Renata, bsmith, newyn)
1 votes: Montmorency (El Barto)
al sips lynched, dead town
23 hours for night orders 24 hours for night
Alive: 9
1. Renata
3. ATPG
4. BSmith
6. El Barto
7. Montmorency
8. Khaan
12. Newyn
13. Atheotes
14. Novice
dead
5. Dp101 town d1
15. Scarlett Aria town n1
11. Choxorn town d2
2. Stork town n2
10. Zack town n2
9. Al Sipsclar town d3
'gah, town' style comment
novice dead town
Alive: 8
1. Renata
3. ATPG
4. BSmith
6. El Barto
7. Montmorency
8. Khaan
12. Newyn
13. Atheotes
dead 7
5. Dp101 town d1
15. Scarlett Aria town n1
11. Choxorn town d2
2. Stork town n2
10. Zack town n2
9. Al Sipsclar town d3
14. Novice town n3
48 hours for day
vote: Askthepizzaguy
Newyn is a teammate, known it since that Al Sips vote, fucking ignored it.
OK, so that was storybook nonsense, and it throws quite a lot of shade.
Renata, that did not look good overall.
Atheotes more or less did what was expected, but those analysis posts didn't have a lot of substance.
As we all witnessed, Newyn clutched that whole round, and BSmith technically helped, but given the timing and sequence I can conclude that there is no way they are partners. No more than one of them could be scum now.
This is the Era of Bad Feelings, and somehow El Barto is the closest thing to null I have now.
So let's stick with what I know, which is two things:
1. Khaan must be lynched.
2. Pizza must be lynched.
Vote: Khaan
Pizza can't serve as the immediate consensus wagon, as we learn little from its course. I will probably be voting him by the end of the day, but by Khaan's own admission I should not let the pressure slide from him.
Once we have set out those things which we know, namely that Khaan and Pizza are scum, we at least have a little more time to discover the final, deep, scum.
Vitiate Man.
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no Lylo (or potential lylo) notice?
surprised with the novice kill...
Newyn's vote is scummy. Has he even come back for EOD before? Will check later.
Vote: Pizza
Other than the Riedquat self-pres posts and that one post where you labeled almost everyone alive at the time as scum, here is what you had to say:
You have barely even said anything about Pizza specifically. You could easily be his partner by the same token.
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I'm actually more convinced of Newyn than of Khaan at this point, but we'll cross that bridge when we come to it. I think the bit at end of day with Newyn first voting Pizza, then switching, was a bit of theater to make him look not quite so much like a teammate, enabled by BSmith changing his vote. Look at Pizza talking about Newyn throughout this game and tell me you don't see mafia tiptoeing around a teammate.
I don't understand why you would go Khaan today and risk splitting votes at LYLO.
vote: Pizza or Newyn.
Always meet on the level, act by the plumb and part on the square.
2B1ASK1
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I'm not sure it means anything, but they're clearly different. Pizza ignored Khaan until he started saying he was obvious town for meta reasons and would never lynch him. After that, he proceeded to continue to ignore him.
With Newyn, Pizza first liked my case against him, then ignored it, then reversed course into saying my logic sucked, then held forth at length on the virtues of Newyn's gameplay without giving any read at all, then ignored him again. Something like that.
But to sum up, Pizza's never expressed a read on Newyn, while he's been unwavering on never-lynch Khaan ever since he first expressed an opinion.
I remember the "better liar" post, though I think it was earlier in the sequence than you placed it.then held forth at length on the virtues of Newyn's gameplay
Here are all the posts referencing Newyn that I can find by Pizza (from newest to oldest):
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I can't agree with your overall characterization based on Pizza's posts, Renata. There is little to distinguish his treatment of Newyn and his treatment of Khaan, beyond the particulars of who was pushing whom, at what time, and how aggressively. Pizza was consistently nullish about Newyn, but prepared to lynch him if he could get a wagon.
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Btw any bolded text in those posts (other than the vote at the bottom) are my emphasis.
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That 'if you say so' post was referencing being willing to lynch Al Sips, not Newyn. Take that out of the equation and see if you still buy that Pizza's got any intention of sending Newyn to the gallows. He's got Newyn as a fourth in a game with three scum, that's as close as you get.
That actually reinforces my point, which is that Pizza was effectively nullish in regard to Khaan and Newyn.
The only demonstrable difference is that Pizza claimed willingness, in hypothetical, to back your case on Newyn, and comments regarding Khaan's lynch were more universally disapproving.
Vitiate Man.
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I feel like we're talking past each other or something. He was nullish on Newyn, but strongly never-lynch on Khaan. You wanted differences between, I'm not even sure why right now, that's the difference.
This issue was raised in connection to one (or both) of these guys' relationship to Pizza.
This is the significant difference I see in the posts I quoted:
1. The case on Newyn is not very strong but Pizza will back you if it means gaining your support.
2. The case on Khaan is unclear, and until he hears otherwise Pizza will treat that slot as town.
And as I hinted, much of this depended on when the cases were being advanced and by whom. Clearly Pizza has been more interested on bringing you onto his side than he has with me, and you didn't broach the subject much after early D3 so he could afford to let it slide.
I do not see the above as painting Newyn a more-likely partner than Khaan.
Vitiate Man.
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