Representative Democracy [Concluded]

[Cuthillius]

OK, finally got done reading up on monstrbro. He's got pretty impressive tone and flow. I didn't find the reads inconsistency that I remember someone mentioning; he's good in that regard.

The only single post I had a problem with is 476, where he says it sucks when your biggest wolfread (Monty) has two of the biggest town reads (cass and dp) as his own town reads. This strikes me as possible wolf concerned about consistency -- I don't understand the concern otherwise especially when the reads are so consensus -- but it's not much.

If Monstro is wolf and has a flaw, it's in his lack of confidence on non-town reads compared to his town ones. He's very back and forth on sooh but seems to be leaning town until visor makes his iso-spam, at which point he votes her. As soon as Sooh shows up and starts to AtE he's right back to probably villagery. His other scum read, Monty, is not engaged with much and his latest statement where monty's attack on visor is wolfy but his persistence almost villagery doesn't say much. Keeps talking about possibility the wolves are all in the low posters. To his credit, post 666 criticizing Monty for jumping the gun on sooh's lynch does seem indicative of some ongoing (and hence real) suspicion.

Compare with literally all of his town reads, which are either stated outright as "this is villagery" or progress from minor discomfort to totally villagery in pretty short order (like with winston). I don't know, could be a scum with issues contriving cases.

tl;dr: I could see him as wolf.

this is towny

[Sooh]

Atheotes:

You never said that in terms of putting me in POE. What about El Barto?

[Monstrdude]

I don't disagree with the bold but those two posts only talk about 3 players: Jabbz and Zack, then Renata?
Can't really follow your wording wrt 'every player' 'bunch of townies'

Why are Renata/Visor a)likely b)impossible?

I've looked at links there with Renata - current thoughts are WW isn't impossible but it's possible if he's scum and she's Town he's setting up for excuses to mislynch later, which given my current read on Renata seems more likely. She pushes at him fairly directly for several things. He has called her scummy then backtracked/hedged, not questioned/pushed her further.

Him-Visor idk. IIRC They've both given each other easy and early Town reads.

Because as it stands visor and Renata are on my town list and I haven't found (much) reasoning to go back on either

I was using a bunch of hyperbole to make a point for all of those, and also throwing my reads in there. From my perspective it seems like there's just a bunch of towns in his cross hairs minus the lhf El barto who provides a safe vote buffer that doesn't ruffle feathers

Overall that's kinda just the vibe im getting from him. "Doesn't ruffle feathers"

[Cuthillius]

Actually, Cuth is in the lead. and he will be voting for Visor.

possibly, but that is not a guarantee

[Schema]

Alright, skimming-caught-up, but not very. Feel like I'm reading this game through a thick cloud.

Sooh, from where I read last night, has shown up and felt tonally town to me. Townie reaction to the votes received, not very redirective, which I'm happy about.

I don't think I ever vote Renata today. I don't know anyone's play style, but her consistency in tone and responsiveness to all players is a positive for me. More than anything. I need to do a full ISO on her because of the sheer amount of content. I go from bad to okay, not quite ready to go here.

Monstr's looked good to me since our bit of interaction last night, and pushes feel pretty genuine.

I'm really not feeling good about Visor and his "reaction" push on me last night, and might agree with Zack that his push back on Cuth felt a little forced. I'm not ready to make a read there, but it's a slot I'm watching.

But I also don't know Zack's play at all. Or anyone's.

ISOing Cuth as well.

I noticed Choxorn's three posts. Anyone have thoughts on about how much content I might expect from him?

[Schema]

I might be ready to make a read on Visor. Take that back. Scum leans.

[Zack]

Like, HALF of your reason for voting me was for something dp101 said. When it was determined that I didn't say it, HE did, you completely dropped it. How come you didn't then think dp101 was suspicious? Because it's all just made up crap.

I don't think this was ever addressed or even acknowledged

[Renata]

Examples?

About 90% this for me:

Renata trending up!

It's in response to me casting doubt on choxorn instead of Jabbz, and I can just see a town atheotes finding that to be a positive sign, while it would be easy for a scum atheotes to ignore or to spin as negative -- something I was half expecting in going after such a low poster. It's thin, but it's a read and probably a better one than the OMGUS-influenced one from early in the day.

You should probably ask others individually why their reads, because I'm certain not everyone has given a reason.

[Cuthillius]

renata, i'd be willing to give the representative power to you

i voted for myself and am campaigning not because i trust myself to make the proper decisions, but because i didn't have any townreads in my district other than dp

and i don't want dp to have that vote; not because he's scummy but because he's relatively inexperienced and somewhat pocket-prone

and i don't think has the current mafia personality to use the role properly

if you want it, i'll vote for you for rep

[Cuthillius]

in our district, i could see scumchox electing me just because he thinks i would be a bad rep for town

[Monstrdude]

If Jabbz is a wolf Winston is probably a villager?

I need to reread to make sure of that one

[Cuthillius]

i think schema's about 89% town here

[Sooh]

About 90% this for me:



It's in response to me casting doubt on choxorn instead of Jabbz, and I can just see a town atheotes finding that to be a positive sign, while it would be easy for a scum atheotes to ignore or to spin as negative -- something I was half expecting in going after such a low poster. It's thin, but it's a read and probably a better one than the OMGUS-influenced one from early in the day.

You should probably ask others individually why their reads, because I'm certain not everyone has given a reason.

So basically anti-omgus/pocket read.

[Cuthillius]

i want to say one of gh/winston

but i'm not 100% on that

meh on sooh's posting

it's nothing a wolf couldn't do and i don't really lean either way on it

[Monstrdude]

I might be ready to make a read on Visor. Take that back. Scum leans.

Which posts make you think visor is scum and why?

[Cass_]

Of the content I could actually understand without brainslide/disappointment

Wait, Dp. Are you seriously stating that you want to put the mafia in charge of the lynch? I might have to read the OP to get to grips with this.

Had the same thoughts so considered it could be Towny.
In retrospect he didn't follow up though.

Saw about 250 posts, read two dozen of 'em at most, selected from those related to me:



Hey, we both did that!



It wasn't me, I didn't do it.

Sheeping Renata?

OK, I am not obligated to vote for you anymore. And Dp101 has put Sooh in the lead, so I must abide by lawful custom and Vote: Winston Hughes.

(Cass_, I vote you in spirit).

Didn't like this post, especially the bold.

But I liked most of this, because ?effort ?thought.

I meant he was pocketing you, actually.

Let's see.
It's D1.
I've spent a lot of the day doing stuff and then an hour calculating bets and RPS results.
I read ~250 posts in one go and found my brain melting to a cheese-like consistency.

I'd honestly tell you to vote Sooh just to save my sorry arse and see what I can do in a few days when the RPS game has ended, but honestly, no. You can always burn Monty for having been scum last game, but that would apply only to me.

I'm not sure whether Monstrbro pings me because I've never played with him before or because he's doing something scummy. Beyond that… I always tend to analyse on the basis of votes. I'll see about that tomorrow. The group stage of RPS ends then and then the number of matches is halved every 24 hours. Yay.

Don't understand the Monty comment.

But @Winston Hughes is this post more in the vein of the extra effort you mention he's been putting in? Or is it still scum.

[Cuthillius]

actually

vote: Sooh

i looked back; is scummy

[Sooh]

Who else has Atheotes as town?

[Schema]

actually

vote: Sooh

i looked back; is scummy

Well damn. New informations.

Can you explain your change, please?

[Zack]

in our district, i could see scumchox electing me just because he thinks i would be a bad rep for town

why chox specifically

[Renata]

Because as it stands visor and Renata are on my town list and I haven't found (much) reasoning to go back on either

I was using a bunch of hyperbole to make a point for all of those, and also throwing my reads in there. From my perspective it seems like there's just a bunch of towns in his cross hairs minus the lhf El barto who provides a safe vote buffer that doesn't ruffle feathers

Overall that's kinda just the vibe im getting from him. "Doesn't ruffle feathers"

I'll point out that it's the direct opposite of the vibe you said you had earlier in the game, and I'm not seeing how you get from point A to point B.

[Monstrdude]

Who else has Atheotes as town?

I sort of do, but I'm kind of waiting for that "Aha! There it is!" Moment I get that bolsters my towns for me

[Zack]

wow i shitposted in discord for a minute and a new page happened

[Sooh]

actually

vote: Sooh

i looked back; is scummy

Probably town, because I don't think scum would vote for a claimed PR at this point.

[Monstrdude]

I'll point out that it's the direct opposite of the vibe you said you had earlier in the game, and I'm not seeing how you get from point A to point B.

I made a post about not liking those posts directly to winston before that

This isn't point a to b

It's from a to B back to a

[Cuthillius]

actually

vote: Sooh

i looked back; is scummy

she's making short posts with weak reasons, citing omgus and using WIFOM

also the classic "why isn't <> getting looked at very closely" without really saying much else, in particular when combined with the previous line

also helps me evaluate visor

[Schema]

i think schema's about 89% town here

Why?

[Zack]

i think schema's about 89% town here

why not 90 lol

[Zack]

actually

vote: Sooh

i looked back; is scummy

loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool

[Monstrdude]

Cuth is a villager btw