Representative Democracy [Concluded]

[Winston Hughes]

In case you hadn't noticed, Jabbz, there's only ~15 minutes to the deadline.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Just got back, here for the final 15.

Need me to do anything real quick?

[Monstrdude]

I spent most of the last two days drugged to the gills. Pinched a nerve in my neck. Pretty sure I posted about it, if not, my apologies.

No probs. Post away friend, reads are appreciated

If you did post that I didn't see it

[Cass_]

Ok, now Cuth/Barto ?


I'm currently strategically for going Barto since he's contributed the least out of Zack/Cuth/GH/Barto and they seem to where we're actually currently at.

Am I even making sense?

And ftr the pulling back from Zack is mostly because Visor seems Villagery as hell Turbo-read-styles to me right now and wanted to give Zack another day.

Am I crazy?

[Zack]

No worries, it was literally I think a 2 sentence post in the sea of day 2. Pains down enough now where I don't have to be on drugs, so that's a plus. On the plus plus side, I don't have to do anything on my "two days before christmas honeydo list."

Caught up, should have a more constructive vote post than I placed a bit ago. No time for ISO's so will be more general thoughts.

I think you only have 15 minutes or so fyi

[Visor]

It's my impression at this point in the game. I'm not going to harvest posts rn @ EOD. But it's no more and no less generic than your thoughts on GH when I asked you on D1.

I posted more about him later that day

At that time.you asked he had nothing at all so idk why you care

[Schema]

Just got back, here for the final 15.

Need me to do anything real quick?

Nah, we're good with what you've given us.

[Monstrdude]

Ok, now Cuth/Barto ?


I'm currently strategically for going Barto since he's contributed the least out of Zack/Cuth/GH/Barto and they seem to where we're actually currently at.

Am I even making sense?

And ftr the pulling back from Zack is mostly because Visor seems Villagery as hell Turbo-read-styles to me right now and wanted to give Zack another day.

Am I crazy?

Nah I agree with give Zack another day

[Winston Hughes]

Ok, now Cuth/Barto ?


I'm currently strategically for going Barto since he's contributed the least out of Zack/Cuth/GH/Barto and they seem to where we're actually currently at.

Am I even making sense?

And ftr the pulling back from Zack is mostly because Visor seems Villagery as hell Turbo-read-styles to me right now and wanted to give Zack another day.

Am I crazy?

You're making sense and don't sound crazy to me.

[Zack]

yeah seems fine

[GeneralHankerchief]

Barto's on my list of people to shoot, so I'm 100% okay with his lynch should our Chancellor go that route.

[Cass_]

Cuth.

My latest thought is more annoyance that he addressed everything in my reply to him but my actual case against him.

Zack has taken a bit more of a balanced view of the game, questioning everything.

What's your case against him?


Honestly, if someone can explain to me why Cuth is scum beyond attacking Visor or voting a claimed PR I could consider going there.

Both those options seem like suicide to me if Scum and easy pickings for votes against him if he's Town.

[Zack]

Just got back, here for the final 15.

Need me to do anything real quick?

thoughts on cuth/me/barto

those are the possible lynchees other than yourself

[Zack]

What's your case against him?


Honestly, if someone can explain to me why Cuth is scum beyond attacking Visor or voting a claimed PR I could consider going there.

Both those options seem like suicide to me if Scum and easy pickings for votes against him if he's Town.

it's not that he did those things, it's how

there was no logical progression

[Cass_]

Nah I agree with give Zack another day

Monstr, this is probably total tinfoil but you sketch me out. Generally <3

Ily though

[Monstrdude]

Monstr, this is probably total tinfoil but you sketch me out. Generally <3

Ily though

Stop smoking so much pot then

[Schema]

Ok, now Cuth/Barto ?


I'm currently strategically for going Barto since he's contributed the least out of Zack/Cuth/GH/Barto and they seem to where we're actually currently at.

Am I even making sense?

And ftr the pulling back from Zack is mostly because Visor seems Villagery as hell Turbo-read-styles to me right now and wanted to give Zack another day.

Am I crazy?

No more crazy than the rest of us.

Let's put it this way. @Visor

I have LESS desire to lynch Zack than others. I haven't had time to read back through D2 to build a case on his overt towniness or scumminess, and so what I have to go on is my impression. If it were me in your shoes, I would too be giving him another day but keeping an eye open.

I think the fact that both the GH and Cuth wagons have been nice and full and going all day means that there's something there to pursue.

Renewed interest in Barto not bad, either.

[GeneralHankerchief]

thoughts on cuth/me/barto

those are the possible lynchees other than yourself

In order of personal preference:

- Cuth will provide resolution to the most things
- Barto's been around but hasn't been as much in the thread, not sure if this is a mafia tell for him or not but it probably isn't a good sign. See my most recent post.
- You're most likely town IMO.

[Winston Hughes]

You want me to switch Zack for Cuth, Cass?

It seems like I'm in a very small minority thinking there's anything to be suspicious about with the Z man.

[Cass_]

it's not that he did those things, it's how

there was no logical progression

Ok, is that reason strong enough for you to make him scum?

For me it begs the questions

But what's the logic behind it as scum anyway?
And do scum go nuts going loudly illogical ITT D1 ?

[Jabbz]

Ok. Zack ISO wrt scum hunting.

Pushes Jabbz for OMGUS/intro post.
Questions/disagrees with Dp on Jabbz and BSmith.
No reasons why ZACK would have them in his scum leans apart from Jabbz OMGUS that I can see.
Questions of why people are understanding Monty's Visor push.


So Zack.

I can see who, but apart from Jabbz OMGUS and Monty's Visor push not making sense - both of which were early on, there's nothing in the thread that shows us WHY you have them top scum.


I haven't seen any reasons to here in ISO why Jabbz. IIRC the reason was OMGUS to start with.

I think this is part of why I'm pretty down on Zack. I get an omgus on day 1, and I did make a rather egregious mistake, which was the grounding of my vote against him in the first place. What I don't get is him being on my case for the next 96ish hours. I will give him credit for not focusing solely on me, but despite the arguments he's put against others for why they might be scum, some of which are fairly solid, he still has me at the bottom of his list with nothing new to add.

The other part is that he is just making the game less fun to play. He's raging at people for daring to question him. I'm totally down with getting indignant as town when people call you on stuff that you feel 100% doesn't make you look scummy, but this is well beyond that. To each their own and all that, but I find it hard to give credence to arguments that are rooted in ad hominum attacks, ignoring entire posts, and claims like "look at how much I've posted" when a large portion of his posts are like the inside of a twinky, all fluff and filler, and bad for you if you ingest too much.

That being said however, I think there are much better options on the board for day2 lynch. Mainly this is because while I don't care for his style, and there are certainly questions about his arguments, I don't find them inherently scummy, just not overly effective for town, and other posts of his are. I do find him questionable enough however that I wouldn't be sad to see him and his angry posts go away, especially if they showed a nice red tag in the process. On the other side, if he popped town, that's a crapload of confusing posts to go through to try to extrapolate his takes on others in looking for future scum.

[Monstrdude]

Ok, is that reason strong enough for you to make him scum?

For me it begs the questions

But what's the logic behind it as scum anyway?
And do scum go nuts going loudly illogical ITT D1 ?

I agree with this assessment in 9/10 cases btw

(Which is why I've been village reading cuth)

[Montmorency]

Differences from first tally formatted with underline and italics.

Tally # B3 (Post 2211)
	Blue	Green	Red
DISTRICT ONE	Rep	Chancellor	Lynch
Schema	Dp101		Cuth
Cuthillius	Dp101		General Hankerchief
Renata	Dp101		Montmorency
Dp101	Dp101		GH
Jabbz	Dp101		BSmith
dicetosser1			El Barto
DISTRICT TWO
Winston Hughes	Winston Hughes		Zack
BSmith	Winston Hughes		Cuthilius
Visor	Winston Hughes		Visor
Csargo	Winston Hughes
Riedquat	Winston Hughes		GH
El Barto	Visor
Monstrbro	Monstrbro		General Hankerchief
DISTRICT THREE
Montmorency	Cass		Cuthilius
Al Sipsclar	Cass		Monty
Cass_	Cass		El Barto
GeneralHankerchief	Cass		Cuthilius
Zack	Zack		Cuthilius
atheotes	Cass		GH

it was rhetorical

i assume you think he's null just because of who it is

he's done nothing even remotely villagery and has shown zero interest in anything game-related

so i'm wondering what it would take for you to actually scumread him instead of just saying "null, it's barto"

I'm saying null not because of who he is, but precisely because he has done nothing of note in either direction. Granted, he could be trying to differentiate from last game, but I'll call it similar to old town Barto.

To directly answer the question, if/when he gets real cases going later on, examine them closely as that's where the real cracks should show.

[Cass_]

You want me to switch Zack for Cuth, Cass?

It seems like I'm in a very small minority thinking there's anything to be suspicious about with the Z man.

Personally, no, I'd rather not.

But if it comes down to it I'm probably voting Barto over both of them for strategy because none of them are clearly scummy.

I'd hero shoot at Zack but doubt and giving him time and *shrug*

Preferences please @all

[Zack]

Ok, is that reason strong enough for you to make him scum?

For me it begs the questions

But what's the logic behind it as scum anyway?
And do scum go nuts going loudly illogical ITT D1 ?

yes clearly

i mean it's a oversimplification of things but there's no time for anything else

[Montmorency]

Differences from previous tally, that is.

[Visor]

My issue is cuth makes a lot of bad in game decisions so him doing one isn't clearing

[Monstrdude]

Personally, no, I'd rather not.

But if it comes down to it I'm probably voting Barto over both of them for strategy because none of them are clearly scummy.

I'd hero shoot at Zack but doubt and giving him time and *shrug*

Preferences please @all

This is a logical choice

Idk if it will be right but I believe in you

[Schema]

What's your case against him?


Honestly, if someone can explain to me why Cuth is scum beyond attacking Visor or voting a claimed PR I could consider going there.

Both those options seem like suicide to me if Scum and easy pickings for votes against him if he's Town.

The Visor-Cuth interactions weren't alignment indicative for me for either of them. It was his EOD maneuvers. That said, they aren't everything either. For his interactions with me, I didn't like how quick he was to make a read on me since I tend to be a scummier townie. A pocket attempt or whatever, it was too decisive. Lacked proper paranoia.

Cuth has a few town points for how engaging he has been, and posting old games threads. I caught that after my vote on him.

No meta to go off? Ehhh... GH/Barto probably the safest shots?

[Zack]

Personally, no, I'd rather not.

But if it comes down to it I'm probably voting Barto over both of them for strategy because none of them are clearly scummy.

I'd hero shoot at Zack but doubt and giving him time and *shrug*

Preferences please @all

so much for democracy eh