Representative Democracy [Concluded]

[Winston Hughes]

When does a scumbag ever put that much effort into lynching a teammate, when there's an easy patsy readily available in the shape of Cuth?

If that's wolfing, it's not like any I've ever seen.

[Winston Hughes]

Yeah.

Well, obviously.

But it's Zack I'm asking.

[Winston Hughes]

Post 2911 above was about Jabbz, btw.

[Fenn]

Mea culpa. Sorry for being so obtuse Cuthillius.

Basically no way Monstr isn't town, there's only so deep a deep cover can get before it's self-defeating. Similar for atheotes, it's not impossible that a scum atheotes would assume Cass would choose Barto and thus switch his vote to take the credit, but that's also silly when there's much more plausible theories to look at. Feeling a little better about dicetosser too.

Now that my strongest scum read was actually a villager the whole time I got to step back and reevaluate.

[Fenn]

I don't think it's very likely scum would go to great lengths to bus Barto when they're already a man down on D3. It's not like Barto was an unstoppable wagon you'd look scummy for easing up on either, the votes were close enough one could arguably change their mind midway.

[Winston Hughes]

@Fenn

What do you think of Visor, Zack, and Monty?

[Zack]

Seriously, though, it's a point in your favour.

I'm not out of the tunnel just yet, but there's a speck of light.

Do you think there's any chance I'm scum?

What kind of a question is that?

[Winston Hughes]

What kind of a question is that?

The kind where I want you to give me your read on me.

[Zack]

The kind where I want you to give me your read on me.

That's not the question you asked.

also something something stop being obsessed with yourself, something

[Montmorency]

Yesterday's tally. before atheotes' decisive switch.

Cuth (7): Fenn, Schema, Riedquat, Montmorency, Zack, atheotes, BSmith

El Barto (7): Cuth, Cass, Renata, Al Sips, Jabbz, Dicetosser, Monstr

Monty (1): El Barto

Dice (1): Visor

Zack (1): Winston Hughes

Jabbz, dice, and Monstr were the Barto-voters/switchers that led up to this tally.

BSmith soft-claiming vig just now is influential.

See? Al Sips is the conceivable scum busser, but he voted earlier-on and overall is one of the lowest candidates for scum outside the mass of townies.

[Winston Hughes]

That's not the question you asked.

also something something stop being obsessed with yourself, something

You're being evasive. What's your read on me?

[Zack]

Yeah.



Barto's D3 reads. My POE in bolds.

Why would BSmith or Riedquat not be in your POE?

[Montmorency]

Why would BSmith or Riedquat not be in your POE?

Bsmith nothing, and for today he seems to be soft-claiming vig.

I town-read Riedquat a while ago.

[Zack]

You're being evasive. What's your read on me?

You've been annoying when I tried to talk to you about your read of me so I'm returning the favor.

I also want to know why you care all of a sudden.

[Zack]

Bsmith nothing, and for today he seems to be soft-claiming vig.

I town-read Riedquat a while ago.

Oh, right. I made a mental note not to mention that, with the side effect being I forgot it.

You town-read several people in your POE, that's not a good answer.

[Monstrdude]

Winston, what about Zack is making you scumread him so hard for so long?

[Montmorency]

Oh, right. I made a mental note not to mention that, with the side effect being I forgot it.

You town-read several people in your POE, that's not a good answer.

What, you and Visor? No, I marked Visor as deepscum should Cuth flip town since early D2. As for you, just a possibility. You've been null to me since D2. I've scumread Fenn's slot since D1. Winston and Schema i have at least sussed since D2, surely.

[Fenn]

What do you think of Visor, Zack, and Monty?

Let me get back to you on that. First thoughts without rereading are that Zack maybe improves a little from wanting to lynch Barto in addition to Cuth (who knows if he would heave kept that up) and being the target of Barto's accusations, Visor slides a little with his dicetosser vote - not weighing in on Cuth vs Barto - and Monty, idk.

[Winston Hughes]

You've been annoying when I tried to talk to you about your read of me so I'm returning the favor.

I also want to know why you care all of a sudden.

I never hesitated to give a read of you. Annoying or not, I was being honest.

And I care because I'm still trying to read you.

[Zack]

I never hesitated to give a read of you. Annoying or not, I was being honest.

And I care because I'm still trying to read you.

I'd probably need to re-read which I don't feel like doing right now, before giving a definitive read. From what little I saw when digging up that quote to throw in your face, you halfheartedly had Barto in your POE without really talking about him, choosing instead to tunnel me. Which isn't a good look.

Didn't seem to care before now.

[Winston Hughes]

Winston, what about Zack is making you scumread him so hard for so long?

I've been feeling similar about him as I felt about El Barto D1: that he's been using his meta schtick as a cover for anti-town behaviour (albeit far more successfully).

With El Barto flipping scum, the probability he's scum is reduced significantly I think, but he's nowhere near lock clear yet, which is why I'm trying to talk to him now.

[Zack]

Winston, what about Zack is making you scumread him so hard for so long?

"And this game I can follow your actions as more plausibly win-oriented if you're scum than if you're town."

[Zack]

I've been feeling similar about him as I felt about El Barto D1: that he's been using his meta schtick as a cover for anti-town behaviour (albeit far more successfully).

With El Barto flipping scum, the probability he's scum is reduced significantly I think, but he's nowhere near lock clear yet, which is why I'm trying to talk to him now.

meta schtick?

[Zack]

too many people I don't feel great about and don't feel like combing thread for stuff (yet). Woke up before noon today so I'm a bit slow.

biggest thing to look at is how people talked about choxorn and barto

and also how people delineated between barto/cuth

[Zack]

I don't think I really used that word correctly but you know what I mean.

[Winston Hughes]

I'd probably need to re-read which I don't feel like doing right now, before giving a definitive read. From what little I saw when digging up that quote to throw in your face, you halfheartedly had Barto in your POE without really talking about him, choosing instead to tunnel me. Which isn't a good look.

Didn't seem to care before now.

More evasion, plus a hint of shade for good measure.

I'm really trying to townread you here, Zack, but you're just giving me nothing.

I've been on your case for ages, so how the hell don't you have any kind of read on me for tone or anything?

[Zack]

seems like you're trying a lot harder to scumread me

you continue to just interpret everything I say in the worst way possible

Why didn't you care what I thought of you until now?

[Winston Hughes]

meta schtick?

The bad boy thing.

It's great cover for a lot of sins, town or scum.

[Zack]

wtf are you talking about

[Winston Hughes]

seems like you're trying a lot harder to scumread me

you continue to just interpret everything I say in the worst way possible

Why didn't you care what I thought of you until now?

My interest was piqued by the way you and Monty started the day.

The pair of you caught my attention at the start of yesterday as well.

Something about trying to expand the poe, maybe.