Pokemon Nuzlocke FireRed Mafia [Concluded]

[novice]

Vote: khaan

Will share my actual thoughts later.

[Montmorency]

Tally plz GH is making a play for the badge.

[SeveringViper]

Tally plz GH is making a play for the badge.

Votes?:

Novice - 1: seireikhaan
Montmorency - 2: autolycus, BSmith
Manasi - 1: Choxorn
GH - 1: Barto
Sooh - 1: Raith
Raith - 1: Logic
Seireikhaan - 3: Csargo, GH, novice
SV - 2: Jabbz, Montmorency

[Cuthillius]

vote:Jabbz

less because i think he's independently wolfy, more that there are a lot of people i think are town

jabbz hasn't provided me with any reason to feel good about his alignment

[Champ]

What time does this day end

[Champ]

Oh 6pm
Ok I'll be home soon and read

[Cuthillius]

Oh 6pm
Ok I'll be home soon and read

please

[Logic]

vote:Jabbz

less because i think he's independently wolfy, more that there are a lot of people i think are town

jabbz hasn't provided me with any reason to feel good about his alignment

Yo. Narrator says votes must also be in RED to count.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Yo. Narrator says votes must also be in RED to count.

Just a heads up that I'm counting it, but yeah. If you want me to miss your vote entirely, with no automatic vote count script, a black vote in a sea of black text posts is a good way to hide it.

Bold, red, use "vote" or "unvote" plz.

[Jabbz]

vote:Jabbz

less because i think he's independently wolfy, more that there are a lot of people i think are town

jabbz hasn't provided me with any reason to feel good about his alignment

In my defense, everything I've been doing in game has been slapped together in a minimum amount of time. As I stated early I don't have much time for d1. Final inspection of my house is Tuesday at 2pm though, so after that I'm good. I promise to do better in the future :)

Honestly the only real argument I've made so far was about poking a bear to see his response, so I could see how I look less than stellar. Give it time though please.

Not a bad vote. I've misread and mislynched Jabbz a lot though, and was hoping to avoid that in this game. He's also maybe the player here who knows me the best, so I was secretly hoping we could form a town block. Doesn't look likely at this point. Anyway I think he's a fine lynch, don't take my misgivings as a defense of him, but I will try to look elsewhere for now.

I'm liking you so far novice, you seem engaged. With your brother being gone however, I'm not sure if things are the same or different when it comes to reading you, as the interaction between the two of you often gives some information. Time will tell I suppose.

As above, give me some time before you write me off. I've been lynched day 1 the last two games I played in a row. Not adding a third would be kind of nice :p

[novice]

Hey Momty, what's with the bolded statement:

Doesn't inspire much sentiment. And Khaan has another semi-character here:



On the other other hand, this post is like his first Futuramafia posts in that he's complaining about certain tactical decisions for the early game:



But Khaan did always say the best way to play scum roles is to do that which the gut wouldn't believe.

Tally plz GH is making a play for the badge.

This reads like you're holding the door open for a Khaan lynch. Yet in your next post GH is making a play for the badge?

[Montmorency]

But Khaan did always say the best way to play scum roles is to do that which the gut wouldn't believe.

This is a Khaan quote from Futuramafia, where Khaan was scum. I wanted to see how GH would respond in light of his case against Khaan.

He didn't respond, instead saying this to Cuthilius (WHO WAS AGAINST THE CASE AND DIED N1):

If khaan's town, and I point out his lack of character schtick is somewhat worrisome (believe that's the exact phrase I used), and that's his recent history, is that how he hits back at me?

So I tried to warn everyone about GH going for the Pokemon badge, i.e. killing all townies.

Here are my notes on Cuth, btw (I have no other notes):

Cuth: Liked Sooh, novice; liked by novice; weirded by Manasi/Chox; disliked Khaan case by GH; voted Jabbz for non-town but not scummy; Viper sees Cuth-Mont, Logic too?; voted Chox; scumlean by Chox; voted Khaan

[novice]

This is a Khaan quote from Futuramafia, where Khaan was scum. I wanted to see how GH would respond in light of his case against Khaan.

He didn't respond, instead saying this to Cuthilius (WHO WAS AGAINST THE CASE AND DIED N1):

So I tried to warn everyone about GH going for the Pokemon badge, i.e. killing all townies.

How did you want town GH to respond then?

[Montmorency]

How did you want town GH to respond then?

[SeveringViper]

He didn't respond, instead saying this to Cuthilius (WHO WAS AGAINST THE CASE AND DIED N1):

If khaan's town, and I point out his lack of character schtick is somewhat worrisome (believe that's the exact phrase I used), and that's his recent history, is that how he hits back at me?

I read that as his trying to defend the case to Cuth by claiming that Khaan wouldn't have responded to him that way as town.

Here are my notes on Cuth, btw (I have no other notes):
Viper sees Cuth-Mont

Wait, eh? Where do you see this?

[novice]

Tally as of post 832, including Champ's vote:

Lynch votes
3 votes: GeneralHankerchief (Montmorency, El Barto, Logic)
2 votes: Champ (BSmith, Csargo)
1 votes: Autolycus (novice)
1 votes: Zack (Jabbz)
1 votes: Montmorency (Zack)
1 votes: Manasi (Champ)

Voting history:

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GeneralHankerchief

GeneralHankerchief

GeneralHankerchief

Champ

GeneralHankerchief

Autolycus

Zack

Montmorency

Champ

[Zack]

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

[GeneralHankerchief]

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Jabbz thanked this post so he's clearly reading the thread but hasn't posted anything in 18 hours.

He's fine with me going down and wants an easy day.

He doesn't want to solve.

Vote: Jabbz

God formatting sucks on mobile.

[Montmorency]

I still don't follow your thought process. If GH was going for the badge, that should mean that Khaan seemed town to you, right? But aren't you yourself pointing out a good reason to suspect Khaan here?

Here's a run-down:

GH soft, Khaan response

khaan hasn't done a character schtick yet to start the game which is mildly concerning.

Got tired of people wanting to lynch me for rp'ing.

GH incites: Khaan shouldn't be talking about character shticks.

khaan's most recent past games on the .Org, in reverse order:

- French Revolution Mafia: town, had a character schtick, not lynched
- Visor's Small Mafia Game: town (subbed in), sort of had a character schtick (speaking nothing in smilies, but only for a few posts), not lynched
- Tokens of My Confection: town, made two posts, not lynched
- Futuramafia: mafia, did not have a character schtick, not lynched (was vigged though IIRC)
- Polandball Mafia: town, made two posts, not lynched
- IKEA Mafia: town, did not have a character schtick, not lynched
- Bird Mafia: town, did not have a character schtick, not lynched

This goes back to March 2016. Does not compute.

I was struck by the argument's lack of a nail: Khaan only needs to have taken this consideration at some - any - point in his Mafia career, which has lasted a decade. What was the special significance of recent history?

I wanted to see if GH was willing to make comparisons between Khaan's form and content this game and those of earlier games where he was scum, in particular Futuramafia. The "do what your gut would not believe" line from Futuramafia does not IMO point to Khaan's guilt in this game, certainly not on its face. I wanted to see how GH would interpret it in service of his case.

What turned me against GH was the apparent willingness to ride on the stakes he had already raised. He didn't want or need a more detailed case, just attention and votes on Khaan. Town GH should have seized on the chance to explore Khaan's past behavior.

@Viper: I'm sorry, that was Logic in post 338. I don't know why I thought you first voiced the thought. The second person to bring it up was in fact Choxorn at EOD.

Responding to Cuth: slight alarms going off here. Feels like a forced joke about breaking the spirit or the letter of the rules. If Monty turns wolf, I would not be surprised if Cuth is one as well.

Cuthillius- lean scum, partly for some things Logic pointed out between him and Monty and I'm getting weird vibes from him, too.

[Montmorency]

zack what's going on

[Zack]

He did explore khaan's past behavior, and saying otherwise seems really nitpicky.

[Csargo]

Monty is looking worse today imo.

Zack is here, and looks okay so far. Probably slightly less active than I would expect, but I'll give it time.

Unvote:, Vote: Champ I think he deserves some pressure at this stage. Just dropped a vote on Manasi, and disappeared. Is this how Champ plays?

[novice]

Unvote:, Vote: Champ I think he deserves some pressure at this stage

I agree, and it bugs me that there are several players for which this is true. Scum can just direct us onto the one who's town.
What do you think of Autolycus?

[Csargo]

I agree, and it bugs me that there are several players for which this is true. Scum can just direct us onto the one who's town.
What do you think of Autolycus?

This is how auto plays, I don't think there's enough to get a good read on him. It's hard to say conclusively with so little information, I have him as null for now.

[novice]

Tally as of post 828:

Lynch votes
3 votes: GeneralHankerchief (Montmorency, El Barto, Logic)
2 votes: Champ (BSmith, Csargo)
1 votes: Autolycus (novice)
1 votes: Zack (Jabbz)
1 votes: Montmorency (Zack)

Voting history:

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GeneralHankerchief

GeneralHankerchief

GeneralHankerchief

Champ

GeneralHankerchief

Autolycus

Zack

Montmorency

Champ

[novice]

This is how auto plays, I don't think there's enough to get a good read on him. It's hard to say conclusively with so little information, I have him as null for now.

Do you agree that he was quick to vote Montmorency for his odd GH reasoning, and that asking Monty for clarification would have been more natural?

[novice]

He (Champ) can play like this. Easy mislynch when I'm scum.

This is how auto plays, I don't think there's enough to get a good read on him. It's hard to say conclusively with so little information, I have him as null for now.

[Zack]

Monty is looking worse today imo.

Zack is here, and looks okay so far. Probably slightly less active than I would expect, but I'll give it time.

Unvote:, Vote: Champ I think he deserves some pressure at this stage. Just dropped a vote on Manasi, and disappeared. Is this how Champ plays?

He can play like this. Easy mislynch when I'm scum.