Pokemon Nuzlocke FireRed Mafia [Concluded]

[Jabbz]

I'd vote SV, but formatting on phone is impossible.

If you want an official vote just say that and one of us can point it out to ATPG.

[Csargo]

Vote: SeveringViper

Okay success!

[Montmorency]

Avert Viper lynch. What is this, deja vu?

[novice]

Tally as of post 1233:

Lynch votes
3 votes: SeveringViper (Zack, Logic, Csargo)
3 votes: El Barto (Jabbz, novice, Montmorency)
1 votes: Logic (Champ)
1 votes: Jabbz (El Barto)
1 votes: Zack (SeveringViper)

Voting history:

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Logic

Jabbz

SeveringViper

Zack

El Barto

El Barto

SeveringViper

El Barto

SeveringViper

SeveringViper

[Manasi]

What is your best guess for the scum team?

Not 100% sure.

Really not liking how Monty is interacting ITT but it oculd be a personal thing against his tone, same reason I didn't like barto but different tone.


I'd say aorn Monty/Barto etc

I kinda see the case on SV but i haven't read it nearly closely enough to know

[Manasi]

literally everyone in my village circle is voting SV lol

temptation to just sheep is high

[GeneralHankerchief]

So as it turns out, I have to do RL catchup work too after I've been away for a while.

Will try to hammer out a reads list and see where we're at before deadline. We'll see if I can't do that and also realtime with anyone around.

[Montmorency]

Not 100% sure.

Really not liking how Monty is interacting ITT but it oculd be a personal thing against his tone, same reason I didn't like barto but different tone.


I'd say aorn Monty/Barto etc

I kinda see the case on SV but i haven't read it nearly closely enough to know

Pls clear help vote barto

[Champ]

oh this is a thing
why is no one voting logic

[Champ]

literally everyone in my village circle is voting SV lol

temptation to just sheep is high

how do you have logic as villager

[novice]

oh this is a thing
why is no one voting logic

Because Jabbz thinks he's Vanilla town.

[Jabbz]

how do you have logic as villager

Because your "reason" for voting logic is bad. I'd say it's poorly explained, but I don't even think it qualifies as that. You dislike a vote he places so that "locks wolf." No one else is going after votes in a manner quite so haphazardly.

[Jabbz]

Because Jabbz thinks he's Vanilla town.

Heavens help us all if you guys are taking your cues from me.

[SeveringViper]

You're going to have to wait for tomorrow to mislynch me over being "sensitive" and "mindlessly abrasive", I'm afraid.
Vote: El Barto

At least try to make it entertaining when you come at me again, please~

[GeneralHankerchief]

novice
Manasi

Zack
El Barto

Csargo
Logic
Champ
Montmorency

SeveringViper

Jabbz




novice is my top town read. There was some hesitancy on part re: him early on in D1, but that has completely evaporated. He's been active, prodding, and generally consistent, plus it certainly appears like he's trying to solve. Checks off all my boxes.

Manasi is the only other player who I have no hesitation about her towniness. While I haven't played/interacted with her as much as Zack and probably Champ, I have done so to a reasonable extent and her tone is very strong and unforced, and there's no agenda behind it that I can detect.

There's two reasons why Zack isn't in my top tier: the respect I have for his scumgame and the performance of Choxorn before Zack subbed in. Zack's picked fights with people in the thread, but it's also what he does and they seem to be coming from a natural place. He's got a healthy level of suspicion towards people that right now I think I'd label more as "townie paranoia" than "mafioso throwing shade".

I'm doing a turnaround on El Barto and calling him "probably town". There's always the paranoia that he's playing us, but I'm looking at his posts and beyond the RP and comments and everything there's more focus here rather than him just meandering around and commenting on stuff. He's got drive here, and even though I suspected him earlier for the softing of poisoning Manasi I still have a hard time seeing that progression coming from mafia. A note that Barto is a busser, and Viper flipping red won't clear him for me. If anything it might make me a bit more suspicious, really.

Csargo is dropping for me, we had a mindmeld or two earlier on but having ISO'd his posts during the period where I was gone they're pretty underwhelming. The auto case was weak and a misfire, but I'm not holding it against him too much. Tone could go either way, he hasn't hit the "Csargo town" or "Csargo scum" notes yet. The one thing I'd keep an eye on here is if Viper's the lynch. Since Csargo pushed that case here fairly early on and then didn't take any exit ramps (the phone thing, voting him much later in the round), if Viper flips red I'll be very close to clearing him. If Viper flips green though, I'm taking a hard look at Strawberry next round.

Logic I don't really have an impression of. Since I see Champ is pushing him right now, looking at Logic will be my first priority if I have time after doing this list/explanations.

Champ's lack of activity could go either way in my experience. Don't think he'll bus here so if Logic is somehow the lynch anytime soon I think we can put Champ in the town pile. Lazy lynch choice today IMO.

Monty has tunneled all game, and at least in one case incorrectly so. I've read his posts during the period when I was absent but haven't done a specific reread on him due to lack of time (and it's not gonna happen today while I'm under the gun), but as exasperating as he's been and as bad as his arguments are (which is why he's so far down this list) my gut's telling me it's "incorrect Monty" instead of "malicious Monty". Incidentally, I think his recent posts where he's trying to take command and swing the lynch towards Barto are the best he's looked all game.

SeveringViper looked great on D1 but yeah, he's dropped off since as many people have mentioned. Pot, kettle, etc, but it's still there. In my experience, especially when there's been a chain of mislynches with no correct hits like we've had here to this point, it does become harder for mafia to post because the worlds they've so expertly crafted are less able to hold up with each successive mislynch. A point in Viper's favor was the counterclaim of Monty, which seemed like a town reaction, but the other column is getting more entries added to it, and I hated his snap vote of Zack. To me it felt like scum-frustration bubbling over.

Jabbz is still my top pick for scum. Aside from what I've already touched on with him, I don't like the fact that he took pains to point out the fact that his reasoning was consistent here. This is a very, very mafia-leaning thing to do. Mafia need to make sure that their reasoning is consistent because they know all of the cases they're formulating on people are fake, so that's their fallback plan. Consistent reasoning is far from a townie's mind. There's no reason for townies to be self-conscious about that sort of thing, all they're trying to do is lynch scum.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Vote: Jabbz

I'll switch to Viper if we can't get some more action on Jabbz's wagon, but in the meantime let's do this.

[GeneralHankerchief]

I'll take a look at Champ and Logic now, will keep an eye on the new posts as well.

[Champ]

we can lynch jabbz
Unvote
Vote: Jabbz

[Zack]

I think it's interesting Viper honed in on me for "pushing this half-baked case" when I was not the first person to voice concerns and certainly not the only person to do it overall.

[Zack]

You're going to have to wait for tomorrow to mislynch me over being "sensitive" and "mindlessly abrasive", I'm afraid.
Vote: El Barto

At least try to make it entertaining when you come at me again, please~

Literally no one is voting you for that.

[Zack]

literally everyone in my village circle is voting SV lol

temptation to just sheep is high

please make a vote instead of disappearing for eod

[SeveringViper]

Literally no one is voting you for that.

Right, right.

As long as I get to waste scum's time mislynching me another day and people actually keep in mind what I have been able to offer, I trust town might just win.

[Zack]

I mostly agree with GH, except I am not quite as high on Manasi or novice or as low on Jabbz and Logic.

[Zack]

Right, right.

As long as I get to waste scum's time mislynching me another day and people actually keep in mind what I have been able to offer, I trust town might just win.

What does that even mean

[GeneralHankerchief]

I mostly agree with GH, except I am not quite as high on Manasi or novice or as low on Jabbz and Logic.

I'm reading through Logic now, but now that I'm focusing on him he's looking better.

[El Barto]

As of right now, the tally stands at

4 votes: El Barto (Jabbz, novice, Montmorency; SeveringViper))
3 votes: SeveringViper (Zack, Logic, Csargo)
3 votes: Jabbz (El Barto; GeneralHankerchief; Champ)
1 votes: Logic
1 votes: Zack

Which dictates that I must vote: SeveringViper to tie it, provisionally, at 4-4.

[Manasi]

please make a vote instead of disappearing for eod

I knowwwwwwwwwwww bby.

SeveringViper

eep

[Manasi]

As of right now, the tally stands at

4 votes: El Barto (Jabbz, novice, Montmorency; SeveringViper))
3 votes: SeveringViper (Zack, Logic, Csargo)
3 votes: Jabbz (El Barto; GeneralHankerchief; Champ)
1 votes: Logic
1 votes: Zack

Which dictates that I must vote: SeveringViper to tie it, provisionally, at 4-4.

I knowwwwwwwwwwww bby.

SeveringViper

eep

s p i c y

[SeveringViper]

What does that even mean

It means there are people here I trust to use their heads if I draw scum attention for one more day. ^^

[El Barto]

s p i c y

With extra cinnamon. Now I must read a half-hundred posts and see what can be gleaned and how such a ridiculous counterwaggon has been formed.