Chess - Game Thread [Concluded]

[Fredwood]

Sup Jerks. So I read all this thread...lol@me I even viewed 7 minutes of the two minute videos posted.

The blowback confused, suss of Pizza for doing what he's doing feels almost concerted and deliberately obtuse to get the early discredit on him. The style is atypical, but I don't feel the content is atypical. (The one game I've played). Interesting how quickly the stance was backed off. I do have an issue with his town read of Rein, but will get into that later.

I like Zack, I also think he's villa, with a conditional hedge so I can move back my knight to starting position later. I've only played with town Zack, and he seems more solvey early in this game then those others. I hesitate to go full town core on him, but I'm not going to vote off top poster day 1.



Reinoe

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Given Zack commenting on pretty much everyone except Logic, he's either scum with him or mason with him or neighbors with him. I think they're talking to each other.

Regardless, Zack's quality vs quantity isn't very good at all. There's almost no gamesolving other than OMGUS.

Unvote: Logic

Vote: Zack

ATPG and GH probably town.

This post isn't accurate, if anything Zack is attacking or picking at people who are town reading him. He attacked both Pizza and GH's town read of him. If you want to get into how attacking your town reads is easy town equity, Well too late, Zack already pointed that out for easy town equity. Rein's post at best means he's not actually reading Zack's posts.


Csargo's agreement with Rein doesn't feel right either, he agrees with the inaccurate part of his post but not the rest of it?

It feels like a stretch to townread CS for his "I'm bad at eveyrthing" line after getting nuked by Zack in an argument. DP seems especially limpber

Can I say the DP/Rein interaction feels fake AF, from either one or both sides I'm not sure which. Read in spoiler if you're interested, otherwise Wall o' Text.

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Rein drops for names in his hot take read post. Has associative reads based on Logic as if Logic has already flipped, but not pushing the actual logic flip. (I think Logic is scum, and I think Zack is scum for not talking to Logic, therefore I shall vote Zack...the F?) Meanwhile mentions Pizza and GH as town with no reasoning.

DP begs for him to drop a read on himself, and Rein has this bajillion word post he drops on DP about lazy and faking confusion...so you had that many thoughts on DP but didn't bring it up in your first post? During all this time he's ignoring Zack's question about his town reads and Monty's question about Winston. As if your town reads aren't just important for viewing your progression as town reads.

Vote: Reinoe

[Zack]

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Sup Jerks. So I read all this thread...lol@me I even viewed 7 minutes of the two minute videos posted.

The blowback confused, suss of Pizza for doing what he's doing feels almost concerted and deliberately obtuse to get the early discredit on him. The style is atypical, but I don't feel the content is atypical. (The one game I've played). Interesting how quickly the stance was backed off. I do have an issue with his town read of Rein, but will get into that later.

I like Zack, I also think he's villa, with a conditional hedge so I can move back my knight to starting position later. I've only played with town Zack, and he seems more solvey early in this game then those others. I hesitate to go full town core on him, but I'm not going to vote off top poster day 1.



Reinoe


This post isn't accurate, if anything Zack is attacking or picking at people who are town reading him. He attacked both Pizza and GH's town read of him. If you want to get into how attacking your town reads is easy town equity, Well too late, Zack already pointed that out for easy town equity. Rein's post at best means he's not actually reading Zack's posts.


Csargo's agreement with Rein doesn't feel right either, he agrees with the inaccurate part of his post but not the rest of it?

It feels like a stretch to townread CS for his "I'm bad at eveyrthing" line after getting nuked by Zack in an argument. DP seems especially limpber

Can I say the DP/Rein interaction feels fake AF, from either one or both sides I'm not sure which. Read in spoiler if you're interested, otherwise Wall o' Text.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Rein drops for names in his hot take read post. Has associative reads based on Logic as if Logic has already flipped, but not pushing the actual logic flip. (I think Logic is scum, and I think Zack is scum for not talking to Logic, therefore I shall vote Zack...the F?) Meanwhile mentions Pizza and GH as town with no reasoning.

DP begs for him to drop a read on himself, and Rein has this bajillion word post he drops on DP about lazy and faking confusion...so you had that many thoughts on DP but didn't bring it up in your first post? During all this time he's ignoring Zack's question about his town reads and Monty's question about Winston. As if your town reads aren't just important for viewing your progression as town reads.

Vote: Reinoe

[Fredwood]

Am I pocketing your or are you pocketing me?

[Logic]

also

logic i think i've always assumed you've played chess because y'know

I haven't played chess since about the time that avatar was made. So, a decade or so? I've never considered myself very good. I'm capable of beating my parents and

i did think dp's been a bit weird and the reaction test was really... stiff and ???

Hmm. Why do you get a feeling that no one else seems to?


Logic's 10-minute take:
DP is town. DP is not teamed with Pizza, or Zack.

Csargo and Pizza are not teamed. One could be a wolf, but I don't think both.

Pizza feels really weird from normal. I can usually understand him a little, but here, he feels like he is playing 9 moves ahead to my 4. Not sure if he's on my team or not. I stand by my "seat of the pants" statement from earlier.

Cuth jumps in with some slight shade at DP. Is he suspicious of DP?

Kage shows up with what looks like a lazy vote on Slaan. Possibly a joke, but I think there's a more than reasonable chance that Kage is mafia.

Reinoe is the current target of DP's ire, and he is voting for me, (full disclosure, that that vote isn't being counted because it isn't bolded)

His vote on me looks like it stems only from Pizza's accusation. Not sure if sheeping, or he has other reasons for voting for me.

[b]Vote: Kagemusha[b/]

[Logic]

also

logic i think i've always assumed you've played chess because y'know

i did think dp's been a bit weird and the reaction test was really... stiff and ???

I haven't played chess since about the time that avatar was made. So, a decade or so? I've never considered myself very good. I'm capable of beating my parents and siblings, but that is about it.


Hmm. Why do you get a feeling that no one else seems to?


Logic's 10-minute take:
DP is town. DP is not teamed with Pizza, or Zack.

Csargo and Pizza are not teamed. One could be a wolf, but I don't think both.

Pizza feels really weird from normal. I can usually understand him a little, but here, he feels like he is playing 9 moves ahead to my 4. Not sure if he's on my team or not. I stand by my "seat of the pants" statement from earlier.

Cuth jumps in with some slight shade at DP. Is he suspicious of DP?

Kage shows up with what looks like a lazy vote on Slaan. Possibly a joke, but I think there's a more than reasonable chance that Kage is mafia.

Reinoe is the current target of DP's ire, and he is voting for me, (full disclosure, that that vote isn't being counted because it isn't bolded)

His vote on me looks like it stems only from Pizza's accusation. Not sure if sheeping, or he has other reasons for voting for me.

[b]Vote: Kagemusha[b/]

EDIT:

Vote: Kagemusha

[Zack]

I haven't played chess since about the time that avatar was made. So, a decade or so? I've never considered myself very good. I'm capable of beating my parents and

don't leave us hanging like that!

[Kagemusha]

Another one who cant understand what true strategy is.Truly illogical! Unvote and Vote: Logic . Though i will get you for your slander Slaan, sooner rather then later!

[Zack]

what are you doing kage

[Kagemusha]

Posting. Do you not see old chap?

[Dp101]

Posting. Do you not see old chap?

Newsflash, RVS is pretty much over, it’s time for you to do work now.

[Kagemusha]

Newsflash, RVS is pretty much over, it’s time for you to do work now.

May i ask what RVS is?

[Zack]

Posting. Do you not see old chap?

you were asking why no one was analyzing your vote

it was a joke vote because he didn't like forum skins, what's there to analyze?

[Kagemusha]

you were asking why no one was analyzing your vote

it was a joke vote because he didn't like forum skins, what's there to analyze?

To me it is as valid as any vote during first round..Ive put few hours on those crappy skins back in the day. How is any other vote somehow more telling?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Another one who cant understand what true strategy is.Truly illogical! Unvote and Vote: Logic . Though i will get you for your slander Slaan, sooner rather then later!

Correct!

Slaander? Hey, I'm the one that makes the bad puns around here.

[Askthepizzaguy]

@ Zack

Another one who cant understand what true strategy is.Truly illogical! Unvote and Vote: Logic . Though i will get you for your slander Slaan, sooner rather then later!

Change from rvs vote to real vote based on seemingly real suspicion as indicated in the forthcoming posts:

At least it got you to talk and Logic to vote. Is there something else we can do at the moment? Get people to talk and start drawing lines into thin air in order to find associations later? In the past Ive tried to play old style as town only observing at the start and got myself mis lynched enough times for lurking. So her i am talking. Lets talk.

This is what I know of Kagemusha's old town process. It is very Org from like 3 years ago, very rvs but intending to get the game rolling based off of that, as opposed to their being joke votes. The votes are random and paired with jokes but intended to put random pressure and hopefully hit a scum, limit the length of time of unserious votes and unproductive talk. This matches all of his process for a serious, non-tiny game where he's not playing very casually.

I only know the style of few people playing. This morning when i went to through the thread, mostly it is just nonsense. Csargo seems like Csargo. So does GH. Pizza seems to be claiming some sort of ultimate knowledge which is completely normal for him. Choxorn drops by and does the minimum and you and Manasi seem to have some sort of sweet talking going on, which i think i recall also from earlier games. DP seems like he is on the verge of meltdown when it comes to mafia, which i can relate to quite well. I could not get any reaction from Slaan with my vote, which is too early for me to analyze. Logic seemed to be eager to react to my sudden activity, but thats about it. What have you observed so far? It would be lot easier to read it through one post then from myriad of posts.

Lot of depth here. Kagemusha doesn't clear the hurdle when asked, he soars over it. That always gets you some town points.

And where does the thought of Slaan not being a wolf stems from? Do you know him from other games/forums or what are you basing on that assumption?

Solving and pointed. I think Logic is in an uncomfortable position and can't really justify his Slaan read. So he made an oops here and Kage is all over it.

Do not worry. I run a company for a living, not a graphic designer per se. Hopefully you turn out to be at least as good mafia player as i am a forum skin maker. Welcome to the Org.

Cant get any scummyness out of you but i have to wonder how come Logic does not want to talk about why he thinks you are not scum. Maybe he doesnt like to to become too involved in the thread?

Vote for Slaan was not based on the game but was intended to put pressure there. Kage didn't find anything scummy about Slaan yet, and did see something odd about Logic. His votes, reasons, questions, and process is all in the green zone.

Can he fake this? Sure, he's under no pressure and he's one of the all time oldie greats at being a scum. Think he doesn't necessarily make a blunder I can see yet.

But, he's also town-telling enough to be put into town consideration, serious consideration.

It's only not higher because it can be hiding in a good defensible spot. I can't lock it in yet. Still I like what I see.

[Kagemusha]

@ Zack



Change from rvs vote to real vote based on seemingly real suspicion as indicated in the forthcoming posts:



This is what I know of Kagemusha's old town process. It is very Org from like 3 years ago, very rvs but intending to get the game rolling based off of that, as opposed to their being joke votes. The votes are random and paired with jokes but intended to put random pressure and hopefully hit a scum, limit the length of time of unserious votes and unproductive talk. This matches all of his process for a serious, non-tiny game where he's not playing very casually.



Lot of depth here. Kagemusha doesn't clear the hurdle when asked, he soars over it. That always gets you some town points.



Solving and pointed. I think Logic is in an uncomfortable position and can't really justify his Slaan read. So he made an oops here and Kage is all over it.



Vote for Slaan was not based on the game but was intended to put pressure there. Kage didn't find anything scummy about Slaan yet, and did see something odd about Logic. His votes, reasons, questions, and process is all in the green zone.

Can he fake this? Sure, he's under no pressure and he's one of the all time oldie greats at being a scum. Think he doesn't necessarily make a blunder I can see yet.

But, he's also town-telling enough to be put into town consideration, serious consideration.

It's only not higher because it can be hiding in a good defensible spot. I can't lock it in yet. Still I like what I see.

I feel dissected. Perhaps a cigarette yuo sexy beast?

Reading through the night. I like my vote on Cuth the only weakness is that i do not know his playstyle. What Slaander is posting suggest towards reading Cuth´s initial ISO. Any other takes on Cuth?

[Slaan]

If that question was directed toward me please repeat it... I don't know what you are asking. My posts suggest what towards Cuth?

[Kagemusha]

If that question was directed toward me please repeat it... I don't know what you are asking. My posts suggest what towards Cuth?

Thing is, your post themselves arent 'good' in my eyes... they don't provide much info, they arent concise... it also seems like alot of talking with not much content (and maybe I'm also a bit bothered/not used to the one line comment kind of posts that you do ^^).

However I imagine a wolf!cuth to be more concise. To have some sort of point or agenda or direction you'd want to bring across when you post which seems to be lacking... which is probably a terrible reason to start townreading you... but here I am.

Regarding the anni I try not to think about it when making reads here. As you've said it was a way different situation (mash vs normal game here, lategame vs now early game, lots of mech spew in anni etc) so I'll try not to compare this game to the anni too much :)

I have bolded notions from your earlier post that seem to support my own analyze. The question per se was not aimed to you but to other players that have played with Cuth. Of course his personal input would be most appreciated as he seems to have not replied to my allegations directly at all.

[Slaan]

I'm off to work, cya all in like 12ish hours

[Slaan]

baibai now ^^

[Askthepizzaguy]

I haven't played chess since about the time that avatar was made. So, a decade or so? I've never considered myself very good. I'm capable of beating my parents and


Hmm. Why do you get a feeling that no one else seems to?


Logic's 10-minute take:
DP is town. DP is not teamed with Pizza, or Zack.

Csargo and Pizza are not teamed. One could be a wolf, but I don't think both.

Pizza feels really weird from normal. I can usually understand him a little, but here, he feels like he is playing 9 moves ahead to my 4. Not sure if he's on my team or not. I stand by my "seat of the pants" statement from earlier.

Cuth jumps in with some slight shade at DP. Is he suspicious of DP?

Kage shows up with what looks like a lazy vote on Slaan. Possibly a joke, but I think there's a more than reasonable chance that Kage is mafia.

Reinoe is the current target of DP's ire, and he is voting for me, (full disclosure, that that vote isn't being counted because it isn't bolded)

His vote on me looks like it stems only from Pizza's accusation. Not sure if sheeping, or he has other reasons for voting for me.

[b]Vote: Kagemusha[b/]

Logic definitely playing with the black pieces. Kagemusha playing with the white pieces much greater than rand imo. Not fully analyzed of course, but still solid. Logic almost certainly not on my chess team.

Pizza willing to sac a queen to checkmate Logic. Check Logic or check me, thunderdome. RAAAAAAAWWWRRRR!!!!!

[Askthepizzaguy]

While looking at Kage, I'm ignore mode-ing a lot of people to make this easier. Logic I'm leaving off of ignore for the duration because spew, but I saw this and I need to make a comment while it's on my mind:

also

logic i think i've always assumed you've played chess because y'know

I haven't played chess since about the time that avatar was made. So, a decade or so? I've never considered myself very good. I'm capable of beating my parents and

i did think dp's been a bit weird and the reaction test was really... stiff and ???

Hmm. Why do you get a feeling that no one else seems to?

Logic's 10-minute take:
DP is town. DP is not teamed with Pizza, or Zack.

Csargo and Pizza are not teamed. One could be a wolf, but I don't think both.

Pizza feels really weird from normal. I can usually understand him a little, but here, he feels like he is playing 9 moves ahead to my 4. Not sure if he's on my team or not. I stand by my "seat of the pants" statement from earlier.

Cuth jumps in with some slight shade at DP. Is he suspicious of DP?

Kage shows up with what looks like a lazy vote on Slaan. Possibly a joke, but I think there's a more than reasonable chance that Kage is mafia.

Reinoe is the current target of DP's ire, and he is voting for me, (full disclosure, that that vote isn't being counted because it isn't bolded)

His vote on me looks like it stems only from Pizza's accusation. Not sure if sheeping, or he has other reasons for voting for me.

Vote: Kagemusha

Aside from the looks-good mentions of reinoe and the obvious looks-good vote against Kagemusha and the scummy reasons behind it, look at the bolded orange bits about Cuth.

This is more of the Just Asking Questions passive aggression slime that he put on both Kage and Winston this game.

I would not at all be shocked if this is also spewing Cuthillius townie. That plus what little bit of research I already did on Cuth makes Cuthillius a likely candidate to enter my town when I do the full work on him.

Wanted to put this out here for everyone's attention though before I forget it. Cuth's wayyyy down my list so, I might not get to him before I ded.

[Csargo]

Sup Jerks. So I read all this thread...lol@me I even viewed 7 minutes of the two minute videos posted.

The blowback confused, suss of Pizza for doing what he's doing feels almost concerted and deliberately obtuse to get the early discredit on him. The style is atypical, but I don't feel the content is atypical. (The one game I've played). Interesting how quickly the stance was backed off. I do have an issue with his town read of Rein, but will get into that later.

I like Zack, I also think he's villa, with a conditional hedge so I can move back my knight to starting position later. I've only played with town Zack, and he seems more solvey early in this game then those others. I hesitate to go full town core on him, but I'm not going to vote off top poster day 1.



Reinoe


This post isn't accurate, if anything Zack is attacking or picking at people who are town reading him. He attacked both Pizza and GH's town read of him. If you want to get into how attacking your town reads is easy town equity, Well too late, Zack already pointed that out for easy town equity. Rein's post at best means he's not actually reading Zack's posts.


Csargo's agreement with Rein doesn't feel right either, he agrees with the inaccurate part of his post but not the rest of it?

It feels like a stretch to townread CS for his "I'm bad at eveyrthing" line after getting nuked by Zack in an argument. DP seems especially limpber

Can I say the DP/Rein interaction feels fake AF, from either one or both sides I'm not sure which. Read in spoiler if you're interested, otherwise Wall o' Text.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Rein drops for names in his hot take read post. Has associative reads based on Logic as if Logic has already flipped, but not pushing the actual logic flip. (I think Logic is scum, and I think Zack is scum for not talking to Logic, therefore I shall vote Zack...the F?) Meanwhile mentions Pizza and GH as town with no reasoning.

DP begs for him to drop a read on himself, and Rein has this bajillion word post he drops on DP about lazy and faking confusion...so you had that many thoughts on DP but didn't bring it up in your first post? During all this time he's ignoring Zack's question about his town reads and Monty's question about Winston. As if your town reads aren't just important for viewing your progression as town reads.

Vote: Reinoe

Yeah, I am dead. Rest in Peace me.

[reinoe]

Sup Jerks. So I read all this thread...lol@me I even viewed 7 minutes of the two minute videos posted.

The blowback confused, suss of Pizza for doing what he's doing feels almost concerted and deliberately obtuse to get the early discredit on him. The style is atypical, but I don't feel the content is atypical. (The one game I've played). Interesting how quickly the stance was backed off. I do have an issue with his town read of Rein, but will get into that later.

I like Zack, I also think he's villa, with a conditional hedge so I can move back my knight to starting position later. I've only played with town Zack, and he seems more solvey early in this game then those others. I hesitate to go full town core on him, but I'm not going to vote off top poster day 1.



Reinoe


This post isn't accurate, if anything Zack is attacking or picking at people who are town reading him. He attacked both Pizza and GH's town read of him. If you want to get into how attacking your town reads is easy town equity, Well too late, Zack already pointed that out for easy town equity. Rein's post at best means he's not actually reading Zack's posts.


Csargo's agreement with Rein doesn't feel right either, he agrees with the inaccurate part of his post but not the rest of it?

It feels like a stretch to townread CS for his "I'm bad at eveyrthing" line after getting nuked by Zack in an argument. DP seems especially limpber

Can I say the DP/Rein interaction feels fake AF, from either one or both sides I'm not sure which. Read in spoiler if you're interested, otherwise Wall o' Text.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Rein drops for names in his hot take read post. Has associative reads based on Logic as if Logic has already flipped, but not pushing the actual logic flip. (I think Logic is scum, and I think Zack is scum for not talking to Logic, therefore I shall vote Zack...the F?) Meanwhile mentions Pizza and GH as town with no reasoning.

DP begs for him to drop a read on himself, and Rein has this bajillion word post he drops on DP about lazy and faking confusion...so you had that many thoughts on DP but didn't bring it up in your first post? During all this time he's ignoring Zack's question about his town reads and Monty's question about Winston. As if your town reads aren't just important for viewing your progression as town reads.

Vote: Reinoe

You're right. My town reads are not as important to me as my scumreads. And yes, I'm deliberately not answering Zack's question about said townreads. Although I disagree with what you're saying. DP seems genuinely frustrated in a "caught for the wrong reasons" kind of way and I'm sincere about getting tired of him constantly talking about being confused.

Although I didn't call logic sum for not talking to Zack. I didn't give a reason for why logic is scum (it's for 215 which seems so out of place). I said they're talking to each other. My reasons for thinking logic is suspicious is entirely separate.

[Fredwood]

You're right. My town reads are not as important to me as my scumreads. And yes, I'm deliberately not answering Zack's question about said townreads. Although I disagree with what you're saying. DP seems genuinely frustrated in a "caught for the wrong reasons" kind of way and I'm sincere about getting tired of him constantly talking about being confused.

Although I didn't call logic sum for not talking to Zack. I didn't give a reason for why logic is scum (it's for 215 which seems so out of place). I said they're talking to each other. My reasons for thinking logic is suspicious is entirely separate.

I don't care about your suss on Logic aside from the fact that you're not pushing him. My issue is you pushing Zack over logic because "Zack" didn't talk to logic. You're saying logic is scum, therefore Zack is scum because he's avoiding logic. Well get logic lynched first then go after Zack.

[reinoe]

I don't care about your suss on Logic aside from the fact that you're not pushing him. My issue is you pushing Zack over logic because "Zack" didn't talk to logic. You're saying logic is scum, therefore Zack is scum because he's avoiding logic. Well get logic lynched first then go after Zack.

No, I'm not saying logic is scum therefore zack is scum.

1. Logic is scum independently of Zack.

2. Zack has talked to everything that moves except logic. Therefore they're either masons/scum/neighbors. I stated this once already. Either way they're talking to each other OOT and thus have no reason to talk in thread.

3. Zack is scummy independent of Zack.

They are not necessarily scum together but somehow they are talking to each other.

[Fredwood]

No, I'm not saying logic is scum therefore zack is scum.

1. Logic is scum independently of Zack.

2. Zack has talked to everything that moves except logic. Therefore they're either masons/scum/neighbors. I stated this once already. Either way they're talking to each other OOT and thus have no reason to talk in thread.

3. Zack is scummy independent of Zack.

They are not necessarily scum together but somehow they are talking to each other.

[Kagemusha]

Btw what is this ISO people keep rambling about? You people have dwelved so deep in this stuff that i need a mafia dictionary to understand you peeps.

[Slaan]

Btw what is this ISO people keep rambling about? You people have dwelved so deep in this stuff that i need a mafia dictionary to understand you peeps.

Isolating ppl, only looking it their posts in thread... GH made a 'how to' do it here in this thread: https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...g-from-offsite

[Logic]

Do not worry. I run a company for a living, not a graphic designer per se. Hopefully you turn out to be at least as good mafia player as i am a forum skin maker. Welcome to the Org.

Cant get any scummyness out of you but i have to wonder how come Logic does not want to talk about why he thinks you are not scum. Maybe he doesnt like to to become too involved in the thread?

I read his iso. To me, it looks more like a townie toeing the waters on a new group of people than someone with hidden information.

Please see the above quoted post.

Btw what is this ISO people keep rambling about? You people have dwelved so deep in this stuff that i need a mafia dictionary to understand you peeps.

Isolated posts of a single poster.

I think your hat looks dumb

Well, I think your avatar looks smug.