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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy:
You're both not playing on my team. That's about it. Also you're both missing joie de vivre. I can't speak French but the guy I'm roleplaying can on occasion, so now I have that power.
If you want, you can play like a French player and surrender now. I won't hold it against you. Black resigns, with advantage, exclam! Computer even recommends resigns.
You can always wait until the other side makes a blunder.You're both not playing on my team. That's about it. Also you're both missing joie de vivre. I can't speak French but the guy I'm roleplaying can on occasion, so now I have that power.
If you want, you can play like a French player and surrender now. I won't hold it against you. Black resigns, with advantage, exclam! Computer even recommends resigns.
For my part, I can understand the language of my character, but with me that's not exactly indicative, is it?
Originally Posted by El Barto:
A quick read tells me you both post in the same font. Tomorrow I should be able to give you more.
lolA quick read tells me you both post in the same font. Tomorrow I should be able to give you more.
UNVOTE: ZACK
VOTE: EL BARTO
Originally Posted by Zack:
ok, I can see what you're saying about kage, makes me feel a lot better about him. I vaguely remember some game where Pizza caught him d1, then screamed about it the whole game after that ... ? @Askthepizzaguy do you remember what game this was? I don't think there were flips if that helps, might have been vanilla~ish.
disagree on the others. slaan seems fine, maybe he's a good wolf but not worth pursuing this early based on just paranoia. In my experience, having low thread involvement is not alignment-indicate for fred and fairly typical
During re-read I caught this. Sorry for not responding initially.ok, I can see what you're saying about kage, makes me feel a lot better about him. I vaguely remember some game where Pizza caught him d1, then screamed about it the whole game after that ... ? @Askthepizzaguy do you remember what game this was? I don't think there were flips if that helps, might have been vanilla~ish.
disagree on the others. slaan seems fine, maybe he's a good wolf but not worth pursuing this early based on just paranoia. In my experience, having low thread involvement is not alignment-indicate for fred and fairly typical
This was the Animus game, something Beskar hosted based off of Assassin's Creed I believe. I had him dead to rights. He was catchable early that game. His scum game and town game are both good but like anyone he's got some bad games.
OMG that was the game where I decided that Kagemusha was guilty.... of being sexy!
That's the origin of the sexy Kagemusha thing. I've been saying it to him every year and in basically every game since.
Ravishing, that man was. Sometimes the scummiest people are the ones you love.
That's the origin of the sexy Kagemusha thing. I've been saying it to him every year and in basically every game since.
Ravishing, that man was. Sometimes the scummiest people are the ones you love.
You kinda already answered the implied question by calling kage town
Is that behavior based out just voting with you based?
Is that behavior based out just voting with you based?
Originally Posted by reinoe:
lol
UNVOTE: ZACK
VOTE: EL BARTO
reinoe votes EB Double exclam!!lol
UNVOTE: ZACK
VOTE: EL BARTO
Originally Posted by reinoe:
lol
UNVOTE: ZACK
VOTE: EL BARTO
I like you far more today than yesterday.lol
UNVOTE: ZACK
VOTE: EL BARTO
@ Zack
Can he fake this? Sure, he's under no pressure and he's one of the all time oldie greats at being a scum. Think he doesn't necessarily make a blunder I can see yet.
But, he's also town-telling enough to be put into town consideration, serious consideration.
It's only not higher because it can be hiding in a good defensible spot. I can't lock it in yet. Still I like what I see.
Originally Posted by Kagemusha:
Another one who cant understand what true strategy is.Truly illogical! Unvote and Vote: Logic . Though i will get you for your slander Slaan, sooner rather then later!
Change from rvs vote to real vote based on seemingly real suspicion as indicated in the forthcoming posts:Another one who cant understand what true strategy is.Truly illogical! Unvote and Vote: Logic . Though i will get you for your slander Slaan, sooner rather then later!
Originally Posted by Kagemusha:
At least it got you to talk and Logic to vote. Is there something else we can do at the moment? Get people to talk and start drawing lines into thin air in order to find associations later? In the past Ive tried to play old style as town only observing at the start and got myself mis lynched enough times for lurking. So her i am talking. Lets talk.
This is what I know of Kagemusha's old town process. It is very Org from like 3 years ago, very rvs but intending to get the game rolling based off of that, as opposed to their being joke votes. The votes are random and paired with jokes but intended to put random pressure and hopefully hit a scum, limit the length of time of unserious votes and unproductive talk. This matches all of his process for a serious, non-tiny game where he's not playing very casually.At least it got you to talk and Logic to vote. Is there something else we can do at the moment? Get people to talk and start drawing lines into thin air in order to find associations later? In the past Ive tried to play old style as town only observing at the start and got myself mis lynched enough times for lurking. So her i am talking. Lets talk.
Originally Posted by Kagemusha:
I only know the style of few people playing. This morning when i went to through the thread, mostly it is just nonsense. Csargo seems like Csargo. So does GH. Pizza seems to be claiming some sort of ultimate knowledge which is completely normal for him. Choxorn drops by and does the minimum and you and Manasi seem to have some sort of sweet talking going on, which i think i recall also from earlier games. DP seems like he is on the verge of meltdown when it comes to mafia, which i can relate to quite well. I could not get any reaction from Slaan with my vote, which is too early for me to analyze. Logic seemed to be eager to react to my sudden activity, but thats about it. What have you observed so far? It would be lot easier to read it through one post then from myriad of posts.
Lot of depth here. Kagemusha doesn't clear the hurdle when asked, he soars over it. That always gets you some town points.I only know the style of few people playing. This morning when i went to through the thread, mostly it is just nonsense. Csargo seems like Csargo. So does GH. Pizza seems to be claiming some sort of ultimate knowledge which is completely normal for him. Choxorn drops by and does the minimum and you and Manasi seem to have some sort of sweet talking going on, which i think i recall also from earlier games. DP seems like he is on the verge of meltdown when it comes to mafia, which i can relate to quite well. I could not get any reaction from Slaan with my vote, which is too early for me to analyze. Logic seemed to be eager to react to my sudden activity, but thats about it. What have you observed so far? It would be lot easier to read it through one post then from myriad of posts.
Originally Posted by Kagemusha:
And where does the thought of Slaan not being a wolf stems from? Do you know him from other games/forums or what are you basing on that assumption?
Solving and pointed. I think Logic is in an uncomfortable position and can't really justify his Slaan read. So he made an oops here and Kage is all over it.And where does the thought of Slaan not being a wolf stems from? Do you know him from other games/forums or what are you basing on that assumption?
Originally Posted by Kagemusha:
Do not worry. I run a company for a living, not a graphic designer per se. Hopefully you turn out to be at least as good mafia player as i am a forum skin maker.
Welcome to the Org.
Cant get any scummyness out of you but i have to wonder how come Logic does not want to talk about why he thinks you are not scum. Maybe he doesnt like to to become too involved in the thread?
Vote for Slaan was not based on the game but was intended to put pressure there. Kage didn't find anything scummy about Slaan yet, and did see something odd about Logic. His votes, reasons, questions, and process is all in the green zone.Do not worry. I run a company for a living, not a graphic designer per se. Hopefully you turn out to be at least as good mafia player as i am a forum skin maker.
Welcome to the Org.Cant get any scummyness out of you but i have to wonder how come Logic does not want to talk about why he thinks you are not scum. Maybe he doesnt like to to become too involved in the thread?
Can he fake this? Sure, he's under no pressure and he's one of the all time oldie greats at being a scum. Think he doesn't necessarily make a blunder I can see yet.
But, he's also town-telling enough to be put into town consideration, serious consideration.
It's only not higher because it can be hiding in a good defensible spot. I can't lock it in yet. Still I like what I see.
Originally Posted by reinoe:
lol
UNVOTE: ZACK
VOTE: EL BARTO
You're just voting for an easy target.lol
UNVOTE: ZACK
VOTE: EL BARTO
Someone always bites, sheesh.
See you tomorrow.
Originally Posted by Logic:
I read his iso. To me, it looks more like a townie toeing the waters on a new group of people than someone with hidden information.
By contrast, this is Logic barely clearing a hurdle Kage put in his path.I read his iso. To me, it looks more like a townie toeing the waters on a new group of people than someone with hidden information.
That lack of depth and generic thought is too thin for him, it doesn't match the earlier comment. "I don't see Slaan as a wolf" is too definitive in my opinion to be paired with the question of why answered by "He looks like a townie in a new group of people".
That's paper thin. As is his entire facade. Lynch Logic today always.
Originally Posted by Zack:
what blunder in his opening
he talked about video games
I think your odds of being right are exactly 25%
So you think there are 4 scum and Logic is ~rand? what blunder in his opening
he talked about video games
I think your odds of being right are exactly 25%
Honestly, Pizza is close to reprising his XCOM performance. Pizza read Logic very well last game, when he made independent stands and reached out to people (though Logic may have a tendency as town to decline in confidence over time). I can't give any good reasons not to lynch Logic, but Csargo - Pizza, do you remember Jabbz' Sorcery game? Csargo was similarly low-energy and recalcitrant, even continuously under pressure as a POE candidate. Maybe he's just not into it?
Originally Posted by Manasi:
This thread has gotten really difficult to read.
Vote: Askthepizzaguy
I think Manasi spends a fair amount of time talking about her teammates as scum. She hasn't so far, and a vote on Pizza now is tactically useless. So she's not scum unless the current top candidates are totally wrong - but even then I doubt she fools around this way. This thread has gotten really difficult to read.
Vote: Askthepizzaguy
Originally Posted by Zack:
yes
disinterest in figuring things out is a wolf tell of yours
He's only been here a few posts. Rather early to say, which is one legit complaint against Pizza's certainty on Logic, at least earlier on.yes
disinterest in figuring things out is a wolf tell of yours
Originally Posted by Dp101:
I like you far more today than yesterday.
It's a standard reaction to Barto by newcomers, a good sign here because an aggressive no-nonsense character tends to be hostile to Barto at first glance.I like you far more today than yesterday.
Wait a sec, Pizza, you didn't review my wall from a little while back.
He's not a huge talker, but he has actual thoughts he can defend with reasoning, offered freely and specifically, when he's town.
It looks similar but it's the difference between Logic and a cardboard cutout of Logic. Take your picture with him, you won't see him again after today.
It looks similar but it's the difference between Logic and a cardboard cutout of Logic. Take your picture with him, you won't see him again after today.
Originally Posted by reinoe:
lol
UNVOTE: ZACK
VOTE: EL BARTO
Wait you switch a legit readvote on Zack to a jokevote on Barto?lol
UNVOTE: ZACK
VOTE: EL BARTO
Originally Posted by Montmorency:
So you think there are 4 scum and Logic is ~rand?
yesSo you think there are 4 scum and Logic is ~rand?
Originally Posted by :
Honestly, Pizza is close to reprising his XCOM performance. Pizza read Logic very well last game, when he made independent stands and reached out to people (though Logic may have a tendency as town to decline in confidence over time). I can't give any good reasons not to lynch Logic, but Csargo - Pizza, do you remember Jabbz' Sorcery game? Csargo was similarly low-energy and recalcitrant, even continuously under pressure as a POE candidate. Maybe he's just not into it?
who do you want to lynch rn?Honestly, Pizza is close to reprising his XCOM performance. Pizza read Logic very well last game, when he made independent stands and reached out to people (though Logic may have a tendency as town to decline in confidence over time). I can't give any good reasons not to lynch Logic, but Csargo - Pizza, do you remember Jabbz' Sorcery game? Csargo was similarly low-energy and recalcitrant, even continuously under pressure as a POE candidate. Maybe he's just not into it?
Originally Posted by :
I think Manasi spends a fair amount of time talking about her teammates as scum. She hasn't so far, and a vote on Pizza now is tactically useless. So she's not scum unless the current top candidates are totally wrong - but even then I doubt she fools around this way.
???I think Manasi spends a fair amount of time talking about her teammates as scum. She hasn't so far, and a vote on Pizza now is tactically useless. So she's not scum unless the current top candidates are totally wrong - but even then I doubt she fools around this way.
Originally Posted by :
He's only been here a few posts. Rather early to say, which is one legit complaint against Pizza's certainty on Logic, at least earlier on.
when I was a wolf with him, literally all he would do is pop in, complain the number of posts, do nothing useful, and leave. Sound familiar?He's only been here a few posts. Rather early to say, which is one legit complaint against Pizza's certainty on Logic, at least earlier on.
Originally Posted by Montmorency:
Wait a sec, Pizza, you didn't review my wall from a little while back.
I admittedly skimmed it.Wait a sec, Pizza, you didn't review my wall from a little while back.
I have you in a pseudotown limbo state where I think if I put in the work I'd be able to see why you're townie, but not conclusively because when is it ever conclusive with you, and you're tough that way. And putting in 30-60 minutes on you just to have a kinda town read on you just... feels wasteful.
You post enough where sorting you will be easier after there's a vote record for you. Your tone in either alignment and walls look so similar. You're a very good wolf. I don't think I'll be alive at the point where I'd be able to read you conclusively one way or the other. Truth be told I could have 4 days of solid work from you and I'm not sure.
You're not deviating strongly from where I'd expect you to be. Zack actually has more solving content and even posts than I feel he typically does. That's being said even with the assumption that he can do this as scum and I've seen it happen. I don't think he'll do it every game he rands scum. His style is too easy to replicate with fewer posts. Basically he's putting himself through a big hassle voluntarily, clearing the hurdle and thensome.
Gotta give him town points for WIM but it isn't just that, it can never be just that with Zack. I even think he could be chasing scums now.
My time and energy was just more productively spent elsewhere in that moment, with your wall. I'll go look again now tho.
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy:
By contrast, this is Logic barely clearing a hurdle Kage put in his path.
That lack of depth and generic thought is too thin for him, it doesn't match the earlier comment. "I don't see Slaan as a wolf" is too definitive in my opinion to be paired with the question of why answered by "He looks like a townie in a new group of people".
That's paper thin. As is his entire facade. Lynch Logic today always.
That is paper thin.By contrast, this is Logic barely clearing a hurdle Kage put in his path.
That lack of depth and generic thought is too thin for him, it doesn't match the earlier comment. "I don't see Slaan as a wolf" is too definitive in my opinion to be paired with the question of why answered by "He looks like a townie in a new group of people".
That's paper thin. As is his entire facade. Lynch Logic today always.
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy:
His style is too easy to replicate with fewer posts.
His style is too easy to replicate with fewer posts.
Originally Posted by Montmorency:
Pizza, do you remember Jabbz' Sorcery game? Csargo was similarly low-energy and recalcitrant, even continuously under pressure as a POE candidate. Maybe he's just not into it?
Yes, with Csargo this can happen. More indicative I think is when and why he's acted, than his overall attitude and tone. But it doesn't help.Pizza, do you remember Jabbz' Sorcery game? Csargo was similarly low-energy and recalcitrant, even continuously under pressure as a POE candidate. Maybe he's just not into it?
I feel like he's miserable, but I could be wrong about that. He also can simply be playing it low key so he can bring out the big guns later. But right now he needs to act like a townie and he's not, and I think he flinched when I went after Logic.
The roleplaying itself was probable to draw me votes if I voted a scum. It wasn't why I did it but I kept it in mind, to look at the people voting me and sort which of them were town. I think I got those folks' alignment right so far, comparing that with their body of work. Zack looks townie for it, Csargo doesn't, and the rest of their posts match up with that assessment.
Originally Posted by Zack:
Think to your champs performance or any game where you posted a little as scum, and got no flak for it really.Certainly not by me. And a lot of your town games are up and down postcount wise as well.
You can very easily phone it in on an early round, you choose not to.
The finale, not the qualifier.
Originally Posted by Zack:
yes
who do you want to lynch rn?
???
when I was a wolf with him, literally all he would do is pop in, complain the number of posts, do nothing useful, and leave. Sound familiar?
I don't feel any urgency to lynch right now, since half the day is ahead and a number of nulls like Choxorn, Cuth, Barto, and Xiahou remain to sort out. The case against Logic is relatively good for D1, and we need to see him respond against all those nulls. Right now I'm fine continuing to vote you. yes
who do you want to lynch rn?
???
when I was a wolf with him, literally all he would do is pop in, complain the number of posts, do nothing useful, and leave. Sound familiar?
Re Manasi: I mean that she would be putting out observations or prods toward her teammates, and she doesn't seem to be observing or prodding much of anyone so far, other than joking with you as usual.
Re: Barto, yes, and he never broke out of it and got lynched. So? That took 2 or 3 days to fill out.
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy:
Think to your champs performance or any game where you posted a little as scum, and got no flak for it really.
Certainly not by me. And a lot of your town games are up and down postcount wise as well.
You can very easily phone it in on an early round, you choose not to.
I had to sub out of the champs game, and I did get flak for it anywaysThink to your champs performance or any game where you posted a little as scum, and got no flak for it really.
Certainly not by me. And a lot of your town games are up and down postcount wise as well.
You can very easily phone it in on an early round, you choose not to.
Originally Posted by Montmorency:
I don't feel any urgency to lynch right now, since half the day is ahead and a number of nulls like Choxorn, Cuth, Barto, and Xiahou remain to sort out. The case against Logic is relatively good for D1, and we need to see him respond against all those nulls. Right now I'm fine continuing to vote you.
Re Manasi: I mean that she would be putting out observations or prods toward her teammates, and she doesn't seem to be observing or prodding much of anyone so far, other than joking with you as usual.
Re: Barto, yes, and he never broke out of it and got lynched. So? That took 2 or 3 days to fill out.
The way you are treating logic and barto is contradictory?I don't feel any urgency to lynch right now, since half the day is ahead and a number of nulls like Choxorn, Cuth, Barto, and Xiahou remain to sort out. The case against Logic is relatively good for D1, and we need to see him respond against all those nulls. Right now I'm fine continuing to vote you.
Re Manasi: I mean that she would be putting out observations or prods toward her teammates, and she doesn't seem to be observing or prodding much of anyone so far, other than joking with you as usual.
Re: Barto, yes, and he never broke out of it and got lynched. So? That took 2 or 3 days to fill out.
I don't really agree with your meta-reasoning on manasi, or your description of her so far. Her second post of the game i think had a few observatiosn.
Originally Posted by Zack:
The way you are treating logic and barto is contradictory?
I don't really agree with your meta-reasoning on manasi, or your description of her so far. Her second post of the game i think had a few observatiosn.
I pointed out that this would have been a proper misgiving earlier on, but Pizza's pressure has been relentless and Logic hasn't kept up on his second set. Barto just began his first set. The point right now is that Logic is a decent candidate, not that he absolutely must be hammered now.The way you are treating logic and barto is contradictory?
I don't really agree with your meta-reasoning on manasi, or your description of her so far. Her second post of the game i think had a few observatiosn.
@Dp101, what do you think between Manasi, Barto, and Logic? Of course I tried to keep you and the latter two from tearing at each other's throats, but in the end you and Barto (and the rest) POEd Logic.
Is Logic now acting like Logic the round before his lynch then, or is it different conforming to Pizza's observations?
Is Logic now acting like Logic the round before his lynch then, or is it different conforming to Pizza's observations?
@ Monty
courtesy response to your wall with my opinions on relevant bits that weren't questions to others.
Not a lot of this is needed to be read by anyone, you could elect to skip it. I mainly talk about Winston/Zack not wolves and not w/w, and a bit on Csargo's one previous scum game not being very indicative because of how non-indicative one-game-meta is. Total body of work meta much more solid, this one game always more solid than meta anyway. The most telling meta is whole-game meta. One half of day one is the reason why I'm not more solid he needs to die. I also guess who reinoe is.
courtesy response to your wall with my opinions on relevant bits that weren't questions to others.
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Not a lot of this is needed to be read by anyone, you could elect to skip it. I mainly talk about Winston/Zack not wolves and not w/w, and a bit on Csargo's one previous scum game not being very indicative because of how non-indicative one-game-meta is. Total body of work meta much more solid, this one game always more solid than meta anyway. The most telling meta is whole-game meta. One half of day one is the reason why I'm not more solid he needs to die. I also guess who reinoe is.
Originally Posted by Zack:
I had to sub out of the champs game, and I did get flak for it anyways
Not a lot of scum reads or a ton of votes.I had to sub out of the champs game, and I did get flak for it anyways
Originally Posted by Zack:
That is paper thin.
INCORRECT!That is paper thin.
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