Chess - Game Thread [Concluded]

[Askthepizzaguy]

I would reluctantly allow GH to be pushed in such a universe, but I think the better bet is Zack.

[Zack]

but I get the feeling this is just another jarrema in ikea mafia moment

complete with pizza calling to kill me because I couldn't possibly disagree with him and be town

I hate 72 hour days, but I posted 200 times trying to solve anyways because I can't help myself.

I have no pretzels this time, but bye anyways. I'm convinced this is an exact repeat of that game, so I won't waste my time. Enjoy your mislynch. Enjoy my dead town body tomorrow.

[Slaan]

complete with pizza calling to kill me because I couldn't possibly disagree with him and be town

I hate 72 hour days, but I posted 200 times trying to solve anyways because I can't help myself.

I have no pretzels this time, but bye anyways. I'm convinced this is an exact repeat of that game, so I won't waste my time. Enjoy your mislynch. Enjoy my dead town body tomorrow.

Don't quit the game just because one player is tunneling you? >_>

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'm not moving and I cannot just sit here for the next 45 minutes (now 30), I'm too deeply invested in this lynch.

If the flip is what I think it is, I need all of night phase to really give it my best and final analysis before end of night, for obvious reasons, and to make sure any shot I may or may not have lands correctly.

Know what I'm sayin'? I'm the king of insult comic Grandmasters, Ben Finegold. Eh takes shot(s) at audience and doesn't afraid of anything.

See more here, whole playlist:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?lis...qnqn67WF5g5PR4

I'm even gonna tell you what your initial assessment of the man will be. God this guy is a jerk, how can he insult his students like that. What an A hole. Yep. That's what I thought too. You have to watch him for a while before you realize he's not being serious because he's that deadpan. He's also great with the kids and the kids love him. And his adult students. And other GMs. He's highly successful among those who take the time to get to know him because you then understand he's just doing shtick. Once you get to know he's not being serious, it becomes funny. You have to give it a chance.

It's worth watching a few videos, if you can stand chess. If not then the jokes might be spaced too thinly to hold your interest. But he tells a lot of the same jokes and has joking "chess rules" like "never play f6" and "always retreat", which are jokes because he says the jokes even when those rules do not make sense for that position, but they're true often enough that it becomes funny. By the way, if I randed some other GM I'd totally choose to roleplay as this guy anyway, so maybe this is all fake.

*shifty eyes*

If I get roleblocked and killed that's fine. Believe in the power of solving without special powers helping you, vanilla townie is the strongest power because then you actually have to focus on analyzing the game on your own merits and then you get better. Games are tougher to analyze when they're full of power roles and then suddenly they aren't, right Fred?

Anyway need to go relax and get my mind off of things for a while. Nerves.

[Slaan]

This is true. It's part of why I wanted pressure on you, that the sudden twist against Barto and Manasi seemed like scraping the floor.


But now it's time to wonder what the Choxorn vs Logic means about Manasi and Barto, and the Logic wagon, and everyone else.




I'm assuming Choxorn and Logic aren't both scum. Well, it's possible but with this spread I don't want to actually analyze the whole game. Clearly Choxorn scum makes the whole wagon atp look good (especially when ruling out m/m). On the Logic wagon, these are mostly committed and long-term votes, they came out early and stuck around.

If Choxorn town and Logic scum, that makes 1 or 2 scum certain on the Choxorn wagon, coming out toward EOD. Zack and Reinoe look worst, Reinoe because he inserts himself firmly when he appears, but overall there's not much substance. So it's a good time to latch on to a counterwagon, I suppose.

Winston has been town-lean overall and not afraid to move his vote from time to time, so he is better left until after the flip.
Csargo coming out agreeing to Pizza's schedule, the latest Logic vote.
Barto, Cuth, Xiahou, Manasi, Fredwood, so far off-wagon.


Now quickly, what if both Logic and Choxorn are town? 2 off-wagon scum makes sense in that case, and 1 on the major wagons to make a team of 3 or 4 would be the perfect spread. How people have been pushing each other becomes very important in this case, since scum are most likely well-distributed and lower-activity. Maybe in that case Zack or GH feinted at Barto and Manasi to leave a distancing mark. Leave this for night talk.


I think we should try to set up a tie between Choxorn and Logic and see who manipulates the tie, since scum often get caught this way. Pizza, in the best version of today your Logic case is like your novice case from the end of D1 XCOM, and Tdome around novice is how we got Manasi outed, and the Tdome around Manasi is how we got BSmith outed...

So let's get this tied up into the end stretch

I don't like this. Wagonomics are iffy as is, preflip wagonomics is a bullshit science and I don't agree with most points being raised here. With Logics weak play so far most mafia would probably just bus here, same if Chox is mafia. They can also very well both be mafia, don't see why not. If we have a deepwolf in the making he wouldnt try to save either of them and just bus since there are no investigative roles that could be dangerous to him.

We can try for the tie but again, unlikely that a wolf would at this point brazenly try to save a buddy.... well he might just because I just said that I'd find that unlikely etc etc. There is nothing to be gained by trying to artificially create a certain gamestate and hope a mafia outs himself... that just doesnt happen in my experience.

So your post is one that seems solvey but isnt and that's wolfy in my book.

[Zack]

Don't quit the game just because one player is tunneling you? >_>

I'm just trying to provoke Pizza into shooting me so I can spend all my free time killing orcs in Shadow of War starting tuesday without feeling guilty. Don't spoil the secret, please.

[Slaan]

I'm not going to comment on pizzas last post >_<

[GeneralHankerchief]

Out of principle, I'm staying on Choxorn.

[Zack]

Got busy with RL, and now have almost 1000 posts. Sheesh. If I survive, I should be more productive on the next day phase.

I'm going to park my vote on Choxorn, because it might mean I survive the day. If I don't, then C'est la vie.

If nothing else, I gotta do the most town thing I can, and save someone I know is a townie (me.)

Unvote: Kage

Vote: Choxorn.

I thought this post was really pure btw.

Think a wolf tries to justify it with some half-baked case, to try and look like hey I really suspect this guy!

Instead he just says: Sorry, I'm busy, I will try to save myself. No bullshit.

[Montmorency]

I don't like this. Wagonomics are iffy as is, preflip wagonomics is a bullshit science and I don't agree with most points being raised here. With Logics weak play so far most mafia would probably just bus here, same if Chox is mafia. They can also very well both be mafia, don't see why not. If we have a deepwolf in the making he wouldnt try to save either of them and just bus since there are no investigative roles that could be dangerous to him.

We can try for the tie but again, unlikely that a wolf would at this point brazenly try to save a buddy.... well he might just because I just said that I'd find that unlikely etc etc. There is nothing to be gained by trying to artificially create a certain gamestate and hope a mafia outs himself... that just doesnt happen in my experience.

So your post is one that seems solvey but isnt and that's wolfy in my book.

Fair enough, but think of it this way: if it were already a tie, how would that affect your "pre-flip wagonomics" (since obviously we all have to take it into consideration, which doesn't mean we're making definitive statements, just listing possibilities to compare against future events)?

[Zack]

is it too late for a cfd to monty?

[Montmorency]

is it too late for a cfd to monty?

Go for it.

[Zack]

@Askthepizzaguy only, oog

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

complete with pizza calling to kill me because I couldn't possibly disagree with him and be town

I hate 72 hour days, but I posted 200 times trying to solve anyways because I can't help myself.

I have no pretzels this time, but bye anyways. I'm convinced this is an exact repeat of that game, so I won't waste my time. Enjoy your mislynch. Enjoy my dead town body tomorrow.

I've looked back at that game some

I remembered wrong

You were pretty damn fair to me, even while visor was losing his mind wanting you to go after me harder

[Slaan]

Fair enough, but think of it this way: if it were already a tie, how would that affect your "pre-flip wagonomics" (since obviously we all have to take it into consideration, which doesn't mean we're making definitive statements, just listing possibilities to compare against future events)?

I wouldnt comment on it. To say what I except a mafia to do will invalidate everything anyone does as this thought will be in everyones mind.

'mafia would save a buddy here'
'mafia would bus here'

All this influences how a mafia (and even townies) will play and give us false positives as it forces ppl to player differently than they usually would. That doesnt affect me much since I don't have meta but on principle I dont like it. Analyse how votes were cast the next day if it's just about the vote itself and not the progression.

[Zack]

Go for it.

Vote: Montmorency

[Montmorency]

I wouldnt comment on it. To say what I except a mafia to do will invalidate everything anyone does as this thought will be in everyones mind.

'mafia would save a buddy here'
'mafia would bus here'

All this influences how a mafia (and even townies) will play and give us false positives as it forces ppl to player differently than they usually would. That doesnt affect me much since I don't have meta but on principle I dont like it. Analyse how votes were cast the next day if it's just about the vote itself and not the progression.

I don't think it's true to any great extent, unless you assume that voicing possibilities in-thread about what Mafia are thinking will lead Mafia to go, "Doh, I can't believe we didn't consider that, let's do it immediately", or otherwise change their calculations dramatically.

[Zack]

[Slaan]

I don't think it's true to any great extent, unless you assume that voicing possibilities in-thread about what Mafia are thinking will lead Mafia to go, "Doh, I can't believe we didn't consider that, let's do it immediately", or otherwise change their calculations dramatically.

Not about what they're thinking now but about what they would do in the future.

[Kagemusha]

More posts i read from this Slaander fellow. Better i statt to like about his way of thinking.

[Zack]

[Zack]

[Slaan]

Probably most important wagons rn:

Logic (7): Pizza, Dp101, Slaan, Choxorn, Kagemusha, Winston Hughes, Csargo

Monty (1): Zack

Choxorn (4): Montmorency, GH, Reinoe, Logic

[Montmorency]

Not about what they're thinking now but about what they would do in the future.

Can you elaborate?

[Zack]

[Slaan]

More posts i read from this Slaander fellow. Better i statt to like about his way of thinking.

Don't slaander me :(

[Zack]

[Sooh]

Vote count:

Pizza (1): Manasi

Zack (1): Xiahou

Logic (7): Pizza, Dp101, Slaan, Choxorn, Kagemusha, Winston Hughes, Csargo

Reinoe (1): Fredwood

Choxorn (4): Montmorency, GH, Reinoe, Logic

Xiahou (1): El Barto

Montmorency (1): Zack

Not voting (1): Cuthillius,

With 17 players there are 9 to hammer.


EOD1:

[Slaan]

Can you elaborate?

... tomorrow. This is not a conversation for the last 10min of EoD with a possible CFD ^^

[Dp101]

Zack please do not do this. Monty really hasn't done much AI at this point, other than be wrong, and we haven't even confirmed if he is wrong yet, I just think he is.

[Zack]

You guys are boring.